New Creation

[4runner]

NEW CREATION
(Written by me to teach to the new covert class I have in my home)



2nd Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I believe that we were born with a ''sin nature'', as in a natural instinct bent towards sin, but God has in our new birth given us a new nature. After salvation it is no longer ''natural'' for us to sin, it is against our nature. Now that we have been born again and receive the Spirit of God, we have also the nature of God with in us, and everything we are reviles sin, and wants to obey God. If your nature has not changed, then you probably have not been born again.


You MUST be born again
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Through Adam's sin came death, sin is death, spiritual death (separation from God ). When we are saved (reborn) our spirit becomes alive. When we are born, our body is born with a living soul but a dead spirit. When we are saved our spirit is born. Consequently, to get to heaven we must be born again. Rebirth makes us a new creation in Christ Jesus.



The new man is in the image of God.
Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Adam was created in the image of God Himself with a living spirit. When Adam sinned his spirit died, and those born after Adam were born in the image of fallen man. However we who have been redeem again bare the image of God through Christ, by our spiritual rebirth



Put on Christ Jesus, and make no provision for your flesh
Romans 13
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation because as humans we are bond by our sinful nature is simply untrue and furthermore does exactly what scripture tells us not to do, it makes provision for your flesh



Crucify the old man and walk in newness of life.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Walking in newness of life can only be achieved as we allow God to take over our hearts, mind and actions. It must be Christ living in us and through us. As Paul clearly states in Romans 7 we are incapable of doing whats right. However if we are dead to self, alive to the Spirit with Christ living within us, and for us then we are capable of living without sin.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 5:I6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.



The old man is corrupt, the new man is righteous and holy
Ephesians 4
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

As I stated earlier we are born in the likeness of fallen man corrupt, bent toward sin, but when we are reborn our spirits becomes alive. Our spirits our not corrupt but fashion in the likeness of God righteous in all our ways, and holy (separate from the world, and the lust thereof)

A new heart
Ezekiel 36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The first step to being perfected is to realize it is not us, but Christ is us and that we on our own would never be able to accomplish anything, only by the grace of God working is us and for us enables us to accomplish perfection. Even then it is not us, but the Holy Spirit working in us that accomplishes this, yet when we get to Heaven we get the credit. Good deal huh?

We not only have to realize that it is God working in us and not our capabilities working for themselves, but we must serve God to the best of our ability out a pure heart of love growing in intimacy with Him, and not our of religious duty to be able to become what God wants us to become in Him while remaining completely humble.

It is God who gives us a new heart, it is He that makes us a new creation, it is He that CAUSES us to be able to obey Him.




Adam is the representative of all man kind (1st Corinthians 15:22). Because we are sinners by representation (Romans 5:14) we are subject to the presence of sin in the world (Romans 7:21). Because we are sinners by nature (Romans 7:14) we are subject to the power of sin in our lives (Romans 7:18). Because we are sinners by practice (Romans 3:23) we are subject to the penalty of sin (Revelation 21:8). But Christ has redeemed us from all three (John 1:29) from the power of sin when we were saved (2nd Corinthians 5:17) from the penalty of sin as we live for Him (Romans 6:22) and, from the presence of sin when we walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16 & 24)

Thank God for His amazing Grace

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We have been delivered from the old man/sin nature/flesh, so that we need not obey sin any longer, but are now capable of living a righteous life before our Bridegroom King.

Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

I have shed/crucified my old man/sin nature, and received a new nature, God's/Jesus' nature.

Have you?

 

[AnandaHya]

Yes,

do you serve cookies?

I like the course material. how are your classes going?

 

[4runner]

Very well thanks

 

[damombomb]

John 1:12,13
But as many as recieved him, to them gave he power to become the sons of god,even them that believe on his name:
Wich were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor the will of man, but of god.

 

[Cobus]

What a powerful message andALL TRUE! Also in perfect harmony with Scripture. You see 4runner this is where so many people do not understand me. I cannot claim to be the new man if there is even ONE resemblance of the old man still ALIVE in me! What is the use of me saying... I am a child of God, and the Spirit of God does not witness with me!
What is the use then? Did Jesus not say... Father make them perfectly ONE so that the world may know that thou has sent ME!!! I am NOT A CHILD OF GOD... I AM FROM THE WORLD, and I KNOW VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT I WILL SAY GOD SENT.... Now this is where these FALSE CHRISTIANS fail.... They judge me for what I say, GOOD! But when i look at them, I LOOK BETTER than them. I know I am bad, but they are bad, also by their own admittence, but they are "GOOD"! Well that is just sick!! It is repulsive, and now I understand why God said... I will spit them out... the luke warm ones... I see some people hot, the ones i KNOW God sent... and I see a lot cold, like me. But i see A LARGE number between me and the hot ones. These are the ones that are luke warm. Boy are they going to be rudely awakened when God spits them out!

I am NOT born again! I am NOT perfect, and I am NOT a believer as Jesus defines ...Belive IN HIM! You see the sin in me makes me, even this stupid sinner Cobus ashamed! I am ashamed with things I do! I am ashamed to find hateful thoughts in me when somebody harms the innocent, I am ashamed when I display deeds that is not according to what Jesus did. I am ashamed to even say... I am a child of God, and then walk away there and sin.

If I am ashamed of my deeds, how much more must that Holy Jesus be of me? How can Jesus be NOT ASHAMED of me when I am ashamed of myself? Jesus said... To those that does His will, He will call brethren and NOT BE ASHAMED to do so. Well here I stand and I TELL JESUS... Jesus if it is in your power, please, PLEASE, PLEASE make me your brother!

The wierdest thing is though... I admit I am a bad sinner, but when I look at the LOVE i have treated all on this site, I CANNOT find any but TWO people that showed me more compassion back. I know I am from satan, and it just hurts more if somebody reminds me of that. But I see they are also, but I do not whant to call them that. You see the plank in my eye might be the biggest, ot so I thought.

Yet, I have to give God some Glory.... I am not as bad as I used to be, let me tell you I had vocabulary that would make these people's ears sing! And I had hate that would make them as scared as the seven that was chased naked down the street in the Bible, and i would have propably done the same to them. But I CANNOT do it no more, WHY? Because God called me, I heard and I am busy with Him. Whether I am going to make it is still a mysterie, but I know what a REBORN OF GOD, looks like, you just described them well in this thread. Now how many can say they have put on JESUS, but they still say... I AM SINNER! Jesus would have lied if He said that and so should this be a lie if YOU HAD PUT ON JESUS!

Hey this sinner has a good challenge for you...ALL YOU CHILDREN OF GOD.... Do not tell me you are a Child of God SHOW ME!!! I bet you cannot, becasue you are decieved, and you decieve yourself... with what...the spirit of the anti-Christ.... Let me show you EXACTLY how!!!

Jesus says in 1 John 3:9... EVERY ONE THAT IS BORN OF GOD....NOT MATURED IN GOD...BORN OF GOD... CANNOT SIN....That means the moment you are BORN of God you CANNOT sin!!!! So Obviusly this is AFTYER YOU LAYED DOWN ALL YOUR SIN... But that is what Scripture says.... God says... REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED... God does not say... Baptize and be repented... Nope first LAY DOWN ALL YOUR SIN, AND THROUGH IN THE SIN THAT YOU NEVER COMMITTED ALSO, And THEN BE BAPTIZED... Now we know this is the Baptism of GOD, not of man... That is the Baptism of HOLY LIFE. The Rebirth of JESUS IN YOU!

How can I say I am reborn or born again, or born of God, and still sin? Man that is making God a lier!!! God said... If you are reborn, YOU CANNOT SIN. So either believe the TWISTERS of scripture, that says we are reborn but still sin, or believe GOD, that says if you aer reborn, YOU CANNOT SIN. Not even the DEVIL can get you to sin. Why, becasue the DEVIL COULD NOT GET JESUS TO SIN! And he NEVER will achieve that goal. He could not get Jesus to sin in Jesus, and HE WILL NOT GET JESUS TO SIN N COBUS!!!! That is FINAL!!!

I know I am not reborn but I know A LOT OF TRUTH. I know the Word WELL, And you can argue as you please, God knows where I am, and God knows He called and that I FOLLOW JESUS, and that already makes me a Child of God, but I am only SAVED....AT THE END....The end of what? The end of COBUS!!! Not the flesh, the spirit and the LUST IN THE FLESH.... Is the lust died, so did the temptations... Temptations only comes when you are still BEING SANCTIFIED...You only recieve BIRTH AFTER YOU DIED...God's santification is a DIENG process. The more God sanctify you the more you die. If you are completely sanctified, at the END of the process, you (your lusts andtemptations and sin) ARE ALL DEAD!!!! Now! Becasue it was God that sanctified, also justified... So God cleaned you and seperated you from the dirt, now you are vlean as He is. listen becasue you are seperated you CANNOT get dirty again...See God takes you from outside in the mud and puts you in HIS PERFECTLY CLEAN HOUSE. Even if you want to get dirty you CANNOT because IN HIS HOUSE IS NO DIRT. Now God need to KEEP YOU THIS CLEAN, EVEN IF HE SENDS YOU BACK OUT... THEN God PUTS JESUS IN YOU, JESUS CAN GO TO HELL< AND STILL NOT SIN. And so can you AFTER God made you ONE WITH JESUS! That Jesus you put on CANNOT GET DIRTY!!!
I am almost as clean as Jesus... THANK GOD FOR HIS WORK, BUT I WILL LIE IF I SAY I HAVE BEEN CLEANED TO THAT STATE ALREADY!, Becasue there was ALWAYS still a spot to be found...

I aim this at myself, I am the bad one here, but there are others that lie! They too admoit they were NEVER PERFECT, but they are still children of God... I can lose the salvation... I can loose everlasting life... It is already given but i can lose IT...how? by keeping on with sin.

Look what God says about a sinner. And God uses the sin of MURDER, but we all know sin is sin... And did He lose everlasting life...Yes becasue he was NEVER saved... Now look at this...There is no sin in love, and there is no love in sin... So if you love your brother you will not sin against him... If you sin against him you do not love him...Same with yourself... If you sin ANY sin you do not love yourself, and if you do not love yourself you cannot love your brother and then you are a MURDERER.... And look....1 John 3:15... Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
See no sinner has eternal life ABIDING in him... And some sinners claim they sin but have the life abiding in them... This eternal life is HOLY LIFE! The reborn LIFE! JESUS IS THAT LIFE...One person said I want to be Jesus exactly what Satan wanted...Nope Jesus said I will be LIKE Him, and He will be me!!! To all who want to know here is a good tip... Read 1 John 3 the whole book... And then read John 17 Jesus's prayer, and then you tell me WHO THE NEW YOU ARE!!! The reborn you, who is that person...YOU OR JESUS? So read 1 John 3 FIRST, then read John 17... And i promise you I did not write those two books... Oh please, read it in the old King James... it just bears a better punch.

If you who read this does not regognise with WHOSE Love I wrote this, then you are BLIND! May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me! And may His love be perfected in me for even the ones that likes to call me SAtan! Amen!

 

[Cobus]

Read Psalm 27... That is my prayer...

 

[4runner]

Thank you bro Cobus

 

[AnandaHya]

"THE preaching that kills may be, and often is, orthodox—dogmatically, inviolably orthodox. We love orthodoxy. It is good. It is the best. It is the clean, clear-cut teaching of God’s Word, the trophies won by truth in its conflict with error, the levees which faith has raised against the desolating floods of honest or reckless misbelief or unbelief; but orthodoxy, clear and hard as crystal, suspicious and militant, may be but the letter well-shaped, well-named, and well-learned, the letter which kills. Nothing is so dead as a dead orthodoxy, too dead to speculate, too dead to think, to study, or to pray.
The preaching that kills may have insight and grasp of principles, may be scholarly and critical in taste, may have every minutia of the derivation and grammar of the letter, may be able to trim the letter into its perfect pattern, and illume it as Plato and Cicero may be illumined, may study it as a lawyer studies his text-books to form his brief or to defend his case, and yet be like a frost, a killing frost. Letter-preaching may be eloquent, enameled with poetry and rhetoric, sprinkled with prayer spiced with sensation, illumined by genius and yet these be but the massive or chaste, costly mountings, the rare and beautiful flowers which coffin the corpse. The preaching which kills may be without scholarship, unmarked by any freshness of thought or feeling, clothed in tasteless generalities or vapid specialties, with style irregular, slovenly, savoring neither of closet nor of study, graced neither by thought, expression, or prayer. Under such preaching how wide and utter the desolation! how profound the spiritual death!
This letter-preaching deals with the surface and shadow of things, and not the things themselves. It does not penetrate the inner part. It has no deep insight into, no strong grasp of, the hidden life of God’s Word. It is true to the outside, but the outside is the hull which must be broken and penetrated for the kernel. The letter may be dressed so as to attract and be fashionable, but the attraction is not toward God nor is the fashion for heaven. The failure is in the preacher. God has not made him. He has never been in the hands of God like clay in the hands of the potter. He has been busy about the sermon, its thought and finish, its drawing and impressive forces; but the deep things of God have never been sought, studied, fathomed, experienced by him. He has never stood before “the throne high and lifted up,” never heard the seraphim song, never seen the vision nor felt the rush of that awful holiness, and cried out in utter abandon and despair under the sense of weakness and guilt, and had his life renewed, his heart touched, purged, inflamed by the live coal from God’s altar. His ministry may draw people to him, to the Church, to the form and ceremony; but no true drawings to God, no sweet, holy, divine communion induced. The Church has been frescoed but not edified, pleased but not sanctified. Life is suppressed; a chill is on the summer air; the soil is baked. The city of our God becomes the city of the dead; the Church a graveyard, not an embattled army. Praise and prayer are stifled; worship is dead. The preacher and the preaching have helped sin, not holiness; peopled hell, not heaven." -EM Bounds

Power Through Prayer | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Yes all the children of God should thank someone who claims to be a child of Satan?

"I know I am from satan, and it just hurts more if somebody reminds me of that."

Is it love that is shown to tell everyone you are of Satan's and so is everyone else who does not make you feel comfortable and isn't perfect and sinless like God is in Heaven?

this is PRESENT tense talking NOT past tense, as in when he wrote the words he STILL thinks he is a child of Satan.

truly 4runner, your'e ok with that?

What does God say in your heart? are you of God's seed?

 

[zone]

NEW CREATION
(Written by me to teach to the new covert class I have in my home)



2nd Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I believe that we were born with a ''sin nature'', as in a natural instinct bent towards sin, but God has in our new birth given us a new nature. After salvation it is no longer ''natural'' for us to sin, it is against our nature. Now that we have been born again and receive the Spirit of God, we have also the nature of God with in us, and everything we are reviles sin, and wants to obey God. If your nature has not changed, then you probably have not been born again.


You MUST be born again
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Through Adam's sin came death, sin is death, spiritual death (separation from God ). When we are saved (reborn) our spirit becomes alive. When we are born, our body is born with a living soul but a dead spirit. When we are saved our spirit is born. Consequently, to get to heaven we must be born again. Rebirth makes us a new creation in Christ Jesus.



The new man is in the image of God.
Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Adam was created in the image of God Himself with a living spirit. When Adam sinned his spirit died, and those born after Adam were born in the image of fallen man. However we who have been redeem again bare the image of God through Christ, by our spiritual rebirth?

all true.

Put on Christ Jesus, and make no provision for your flesh
Romans 13
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation because as humans we are bond by our sinful nature is simply untrue and furthermore does exactly what scripture tells us not to do, it makes provision for your flesh?

partially true.
we are no longer BOUND to our sinful nature.
and we are in conflict now with the temptation to sin we used to be enslaved to. now we fight it: hence all the passages you quote.
but you've inserted a deceitful suggestion into the passage to attempt to prove sinless perfection heresy.
your pet peeve: "The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation" is of your own making.

if we have no sinful nature remaining to be in conflict with, none of the passages you quoted make any sense whatsoever. let's see where you end up with this (i wonder)

Crucify the old man and walk in newness of life.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Walking in newness of life can only be achieved as we allow God to take over our hearts, mind and actions. It must be Christ living in us and through us. As Paul clearly states in Romans 7 we are incapable of doing whats right. However if we are dead to self, alive to the Spirit with Christ living within us, and for us then we are capable of living without sin.

1 John 1:8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

your study is disqualified, according to john the truth is not in you.

the Bible does not in any place teach man will be perfected until the resurrection.
see ya.

 

[Red33]

NEW CREATION
(Written by me to teach to the new covert class I have in my home)



2nd Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I believe that we were born with a ''sin nature'', as in a natural instinct bent towards sin, but God has in our new birth given us a new nature. After salvation it is no longer ''natural'' for us to sin, it is against our nature. Now that we have been born again and receive the Spirit of God, we have also the nature of God with in us, and everything we are reviles sin, and wants to obey God. If your nature has not changed, then you probably have not been born again.


You MUST be born again
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Through Adam's sin came death, sin is death, spiritual death (separation from God ). When we are saved (reborn) our spirit becomes alive. When we are born, our body is born with a living soul but a dead spirit. When we are saved our spirit is born. Consequently, to get to heaven we must be born again. Rebirth makes us a new creation in Christ Jesus.



The new man is in the image of God.
Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Adam was created in the image of God Himself with a living spirit. When Adam sinned his spirit died, and those born after Adam were born in the image of fallen man. However we who have been redeem again bare the image of God through Christ, by our spiritual rebirth



Put on Christ Jesus, and make no provision for your flesh
Romans 13
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation because as humans we are bond by our sinful nature is simply untrue and furthermore does exactly what scripture tells us not to do, it makes provision for your flesh



Crucify the old man and walk in newness of life.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Walking in newness of life can only be achieved as we allow God to take over our hearts, mind and actions. It must be Christ living in us and through us. As Paul clearly states in Romans 7 we are incapable of doing whats right. However if we are dead to self, alive to the Spirit with Christ living within us, and for us then we are capable of living without sin.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 5:I6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.



The old man is corrupt, the new man is righteous and holy
Ephesians 4
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

As I stated earlier we are born in the likeness of fallen man corrupt, bent toward sin, but when we are reborn our spirits becomes alive. Our spirits our not corrupt but fashion in the likeness of God righteous in all our ways, and holy (separate from the world, and the lust thereof)

A new heart
Ezekiel 36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The first step to being perfected is to realize it is not us, but Christ is us and that we on our own would never be able to accomplish anything, only by the grace of God working is us and for us enables us to accomplish perfection. Even then it is not us, but the Holy Spirit working in us that accomplishes this, yet when we get to Heaven we get the credit. Good deal huh?

We not only have to realize that it is God working in us and not our capabilities working for themselves, but we must serve God to the best of our ability out a pure heart of love growing in intimacy with Him, and not our of religious duty to be able to become what God wants us to become in Him while remaining completely humble.

It is God who gives us a new heart, it is He that makes us a new creation, it is He that CAUSES us to be able to obey Him.




Adam is the representative of all man kind (1st Corinthians 15:22). Because we are sinners by representation (Romans 5:14) we are subject to the presence of sin in the world (Romans 7:21). Because we are sinners by nature (Romans 7:14) we are subject to the power of sin in our lives (Romans 7:18). Because we are sinners by practice (Romans 3:23) we are subject to the penalty of sin (Revelation 21:8). But Christ has redeemed us from all three (John 1:29) from the power of sin when we were saved (2nd Corinthians 5:17) from the penalty of sin as we live for Him (Romans 6:22) and, from the presence of sin when we walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16 & 24)

Thank God for His amazing Grace

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We have been delivered from the old man/sin nature/flesh, so that we need not obey sin any longer, but are now capable of living a righteous life before our Bridegroom King.

Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

I have shed/crucified my old man/sin nature, and received a new nature, God's/Jesus' nature.

Have you?

All these things are beautiful and true and we are to be built up and edified by these daily. But when there comes a time that you are overtaken in a fault or sin, what will you do? Will you rational your sin and call it something else because you believe that you have shed your old sin nature.

I could spend (30) days with you, rubbing elbows and shoulders, morning, noon and night and I would learn much about you as you would of me. I would see your weaknesses, your frailties, your affections and desires of the flesh, the tendencies that you still have for the world in terms of the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. And some of these would be things that you are not aware of but they would present and of the flesh. I would be able to see and discern where you lack in your faith and where you have short comings and personality flaws in relationship to others. I would learn of your routines and how you relate to the opposite sex, to children, to your family and those that are older and have greater wisdom.

I would learn how you think in certain situations and how you handle problems and things you are confronted with in the details of life. There are so many things I would learn about your psychological and emotional makeup and the desires and appetites of your mind and heart. In those (30) days you would reveal exactly who you really are and what you really think and how you live. Some things you may be able to cover up, but most things would either be known about you or out in the open. I would learn just how strong that your heart is established in the grace of God. I could do and learn these things without judging you or being legalistic and be able to minister the grace and mercy that you would need to grow in Christ.

If you were honest at the end of those (30) days you would see just how imperfect you really are in your experience and in your walk with the Savior. You would be able to see a little clearly of your great need for God's mercy and grace because of all the weakness that you have in the flesh and the tendencies that you still have for the world rooted in your conscience and in the unconscious mind of Adam that is still filled with the history, desires and appetites of the flesh. It is not sin to be honest and to present yourself like this to God as you do by the mercies of God each day. God love it when we can be honest about who we are and be able to come to Him and trust in Him instead of the arm of the flesh. Peter was a prime example of one who became honest about who he was and learned to trust the Savior instead of the arm of his flesh. That's what Christ loved about Peter and made him the first preacher at Pentecost.

 

[Cobus]

Ananda all the children of God should thank God that they are no longer in the sinbin... And then they can set a perfect example for people like me, that really wants to please God! Ananda you know I have never meant any person harm, and you can look at any of my posts, I have never lied, and I have never not respected God's Word. It is truly the ONLY map to Jesus and my salvation. But I cannot exept all teachings here to be Truth. I will end up torn to pieces and never with God... May I show you one vision I had... God showed me a big circle and all people of the World was in it... The whole circle was enclosed with entrances that leads oout of the circle... The circle is all teh lost people, in sin. The entranced i realized was all the churches in the world. There were thousands... And then I saw people enter into the entrances... then after vatiable periods ALL came back to the circle... to try another entrance... Oh Ananda i wish you could see how beautiful the entrances was decorated... and the stewards and attendants were very handsome men and beautiful women.. With big smiles and great promises... But the people all ended up back in the circle..sooner or later... Then i walked on the perimeter, and here was a old wooden gate with creeping Ivy all over it... And there was no gate-keeper in the circle. A lot of people did not even glanse at this gate and some that wanted to enter changed their minds... Then I watch one person walking in, and he NEVER came back...And I knew that was the gate, this little narrow gate that does not look so attractive as the other, but that was the ONE gate that will get you OUT!

Ananda I wanted to pm this to you, but it is good that all see this...

I do NEVER type anything to EVER offend any person.. God is no respector of persons and neither am I. I do not right this to gain respect or show disrespect to ANY person. I write TRUTH. The day I say I am saved, that day we will rejoice together! I envy the ones that is saved... But I pity the ones that fool themselves, becasue I read in the Word what a saved person look like... I wish it for you, with a GODLY LOVE, and I wish it for 4runner, abiding Zone Consumed VW, Ramon, Beth, And any person that wants it. Some might have it, some might be close, and others might be still far away, but I WISH IT FOR ALL, even the ones that fool themselves, and I name no names, otherwise i am a respector of the person. I do not accept any MAN to be holy, and I do not judge ANY person but myself to be unholy.

Please understand me, I mean no harm. I know my words might hurt some, but if this hurt is healed by the Love of God, I bet there will be no scar! When Paul said... I bring you the Truth why do you see me as the enimy? I ask the same, you asked when will a person know he is saved in your thread, I say... The Holy Spirit will confess with him... And I think there is a peace in that salvation that is OUT of this world... ANANDA that is what i wish for all of us...may we rest IN HIS PEACE... And this is not my satan part... This is the WAY that i have layed down, and the LITTLE sanctification, that God did for me...

I was a very unlikable person, and the first steps with God WAS WILD!!! I fought the Spirit HARD ANANDA, but God has almost won me over completely. My good friends, if your heart convicts you, ASK GOD FOR HELP! God says he is more than your heart... And my heart is getting cleaner EVERY day..THANK YOU JESUS THAT YOUR BLOOD WAS ALSO SHED FOR A WRETCH LIKE ME!!!

I cannot lie to you, none of you. If I see one of you sin I will repremand you, I expect you to do the same... And if I listen to you...YOU have won me over for JESUS! Please be patient with me, Jesus is!

 

[AnandaHya]

Acts 26
28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, &#8220;You almost persuade me to become a Christian.&#8221;
29 And Paul said, &#8220;I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains.&#8221;

Question: was King Agrippa saved?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

all true.




partially true.
we are no longer BOUND to our sinful nature.
and we are in conflict now with the temptation to sin we used to be enslaved to. now we fight it: hence all the passages you quote.
but you've inserted a deceitful suggestion into the passage to attempt to prove sinless perfection heresy.
your pet peeve: "The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation" is of your own making.

if we have no sinful nature remaining to be in conflict with, none of the passages you quoted make any sense whatsoever. let's see where you end up with this (i wonder)



1 John 1:8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

your study is disqualified, according to john the truth is not in you.

the Bible does not in any place teach man will be perfected until the resurrection.
see ya.

Thanks for pointing out the truths, the partial truths, and the outright false truths in this section. I am saddened that this man teaches people. and claims to be from God

 

[Israel]

Acts 26
28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, &#8220;You almost persuade me to become a Christian.&#8221;
29 And Paul said, &#8220;I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains.&#8221;

Question: was King Agrippa saved?

Yes, he is.

 

[DiscipleWilliam]

NEW CREATION
(Written by me to teach to the new covert class I have in my home)



2nd Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I believe that we were born with a ''sin nature'', as in a natural instinct bent towards sin, but God has in our new birth given us a new nature. After salvation it is no longer ''natural'' for us to sin, it is against our nature. Now that we have been born again and receive the Spirit of God, we have also the nature of God with in us, and everything we are reviles sin, and wants to obey God. If your nature has not changed, then you probably have not been born again.


You MUST be born again
John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Through Adam's sin came death, sin is death, spiritual death (separation from God ). When we are saved (reborn) our spirit becomes alive. When we are born, our body is born with a living soul but a dead spirit. When we are saved our spirit is born. Consequently, to get to heaven we must be born again. Rebirth makes us a new creation in Christ Jesus.



The new man is in the image of God.
Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Adam was created in the image of God Himself with a living spirit. When Adam sinned his spirit died, and those born after Adam were born in the image of fallen man. However we who have been redeem again bare the image of God through Christ, by our spiritual rebirth



Put on Christ Jesus, and make no provision for your flesh
Romans 13
13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
The claim that we are all sinners even after salvation because as humans we are bond by our sinful nature is simply untrue and furthermore does exactly what scripture tells us not to do, it makes provision for your flesh



Crucify the old man and walk in newness of life.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Walking in newness of life can only be achieved as we allow God to take over our hearts, mind and actions. It must be Christ living in us and through us. As Paul clearly states in Romans 7 we are incapable of doing whats right. However if we are dead to self, alive to the Spirit with Christ living within us, and for us then we are capable of living without sin.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 5:I6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.



The old man is corrupt, the new man is righteous and holy
Ephesians 4
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

As I stated earlier we are born in the likeness of fallen man corrupt, bent toward sin, but when we are reborn our spirits becomes alive. Our spirits our not corrupt but fashion in the likeness of God righteous in all our ways, and holy (separate from the world, and the lust thereof)

A new heart
Ezekiel 36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
The first step to being perfected is to realize it is not us, but Christ is us and that we on our own would never be able to accomplish anything, only by the grace of God working is us and for us enables us to accomplish perfection. Even then it is not us, but the Holy Spirit working in us that accomplishes this, yet when we get to Heaven we get the credit. Good deal huh?

We not only have to realize that it is God working in us and not our capabilities working for themselves, but we must serve God to the best of our ability out a pure heart of love growing in intimacy with Him, and not our of religious duty to be able to become what God wants us to become in Him while remaining completely humble.

It is God who gives us a new heart, it is He that makes us a new creation, it is He that CAUSES us to be able to obey Him.




Adam is the representative of all man kind (1st Corinthians 15:22). Because we are sinners by representation (Romans 5:14) we are subject to the presence of sin in the world (Romans 7:21). Because we are sinners by nature (Romans 7:14) we are subject to the power of sin in our lives (Romans 7:18). Because we are sinners by practice (Romans 3:23) we are subject to the penalty of sin (Revelation 21:8). But Christ has redeemed us from all three (John 1:29) from the power of sin when we were saved (2nd Corinthians 5:17) from the penalty of sin as we live for Him (Romans 6:22) and, from the presence of sin when we walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16 & 24)

Thank God for His amazing Grace

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

We have been delivered from the old man/sin nature/flesh, so that we need not obey sin any longer, but are now capable of living a righteous life before our Bridegroom King.

Colossians 3
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

I have shed/crucified my old man/sin nature, and received a new nature, God's/Jesus' nature.

Have you?

Greetings Brother,

Good deal bro. Me personally, I would like to piggy-back, going further by saying that yes we are born with a fallen nature but that nature inspires our natural man toward sinful proclivities and therefore is wretched. Your fallen nature is what is inherited through Adam, this imprisons the natural man (i.e., the will within you that makes choices- those thus becoming negative). When we are saved the natural (old) man is crucified with Christ (Romans 6:6), and you are given a "new" nature (man=heart). But that fallen nature still remains -evidence of this truth is the sin that is still committed by the believer against a Holy God even after knowing that it is abhorrant in the eyes of God.

 

[4runner]

this is PRESENT tense talking NOT past tense, as in when he wrote the words he STILL thinks he is a child of Satan.

truly 4runner, your'e ok with that?

What does God say in your heart? are you of God's seed?

I am not sure who or what you are talking about?

 

[4runner]

All these things are beautiful and true and we are to be built up and edified by these daily. But when there comes a time that you are overtaken in a fault or sin, what will you do? Will you rational your sin and call it something else because you believe that you have shed your old sin nature.

I could spend (30) days with you, rubbing elbows and shoulders, morning, noon and night and I would learn much about you as you would of me. I would see your weaknesses, your frailties, your affections and desires of the flesh, the tendencies that you still have for the world in terms of the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. And some of these would be things that you are not aware of but they would present and of the flesh. I would be able to see and discern where you lack in your faith and where you have short comings and personality flaws in relationship to others. I would learn of your routines and how you relate to the opposite sex, to children, to your family and those that are older and have greater wisdom.

I would learn how you think in certain situations and how you handle problems and things you are confronted with in the details of life. There are so many things I would learn about your psychological and emotional makeup and the desires and appetites of your mind and heart. In those (30) days you would reveal exactly who you really are and what you really think and how you live. Some things you may be able to cover up, but most things would either be known about you or out in the open. I would learn just how strong that your heart is established in the grace of God. I could do and learn these things without judging you or being legalistic and be able to minister the grace and mercy that you would need to grow in Christ.

If you were honest at the end of those (30) days you would see just how imperfect you really are in your experience and in your walk with the Savior. You would be able to see a little clearly of your great need for God's mercy and grace because of all the weakness that you have in the flesh and the tendencies that you still have for the world rooted in your conscience and in the unconscious mind of Adam that is still filled with the history, desires and appetites of the flesh. It is not sin to be honest and to present yourself like this to God as you do by the mercies of God each day. God love it when we can be honest about who we are and be able to come to Him and trust in Him instead of the arm of the flesh. Peter was a prime example of one who became honest about who he was and learned to trust the Savior instead of the arm of his flesh. That's what Christ loved about Peter and made him the first preacher at Pentecost.

I know i am imperfect. what I sate is that Christ in me is perfect, and if, that is IF I let Him control my thoughts and actions then, and only then will I not sin.

 

[Red33]

I know i am imperfect. what I sate is that Christ in me is perfect, and if, that is IF I let Him control my thoughts and actions then, and only then will I not sin.

It goes both ways. We are not to know one another after the flesh because if you knew me after my flesh, I'm sure you wouldn't want to be around me and vice versa. We both have a history in Adam that involves the old sin nature and the flesh. Thank God that all that was crucified. So the only way that we can live and have any kind of fellowship with one another is through grace. When one fails the other has to minister grace and forget that sin and failure instantly. We don't keep tract one one another's mistakes, we put them at the cross where they were crucified. Our perfection in Christ depends upon the grace that we give to one another through love. That is how Christ did it when He laid His life down for the church and did the same for the disciples when he walked with them. They denied and forsook Him at the cross and went back to their fishing nets, but He met with them on the shore and made a fire and ate with them of the fish they caught because He loved them.

Every believer needs grace and needs to be loved in whatever state they are in. God never laid sin to our charge at the cross, but put it on His Son's account so that it could be crucified. We should never lay sin to our brother's account, because for the most part they do not know what they are doing and they need mercy and grace, not to live in sin or condone sin, but to know that God loves them even when they do sin. That is the goodness of God that leads to repentance and it will be grace that will change them and help them to grow up in Christ. The greatest work that we will be rewarded for at the judgment seat of Christ will be the work of redemption that we offer those that are guilty and didn't deserve it. Jesus Christ will be looking for that grace that you freely received from Him when you were guilty and He will be looking to see if you invested and gave that grace to others the same way you received it, freely.