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wow tying astrology into christianity...that doesnt sound blasphemous at all...

Mazzaroththe twelve signs of the zodiac


MazzarothStars or planets.

Canst thou bring forth
MAZZAROTH in his season? Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his
sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the
earth? (Job 38:32)



Prognostications, found only Job 38:32, probably meaning "the twelve signs" (of the
zodiac), as in the margin (Comp. 2 Kings 23:5).



MazzarothJob 38:32. Our translators properly suppose this word to denote the twelve signs of the
zodiac, a broad circle in the heavens, comprehending all such stars as lie in the path of the
sun and moon. As these luminaries appear to proceed throughout this circle annually, so
different parts of it progressively receive them every month; and this progression seems
to be what is meant by "bringing forth mazzaroth in his season," that is, Canst thou by
thy power cause the revolutions of the heavenly bodies in the zodiac, and the seasons of
summer and winter, in their regular succession-
 
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It's All pointing to The great pyramid/sphinx It has somthign to do with the
wintersolctice/sumer solctice lines, and how the sphynix is in the center...its abunch of Pagan/occult/gnostic/ freemason Gobeldegook.

Why dont peopel just Focus on JESUS, YOU allready know he is Real, and ALIVE so Go to Him. spend time
in his presence, let HIM teach you.

* The Links below address all your concerns and questions and provide similar warnings as well.


* The Bible also teaches that God arranged the stars into recognizable groups or
constellations, and it names some of them:

* He made the Bear [Ursa Major], Orion, and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south
[thought to refer to the constellations as viewed in the southern sky] (Job 9:9).

* By His Spirit He adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent [a reference
to the constellation Draco] (Job 26:13).

* Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion? Can you bring out
Mazzaroth [literally, "the constellations"] in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear
[Orion] with its cubs? (Job 38:31-32)

* He made the Pleiades and Orion; He turns the shadow of death into morning and makes
the day dark as night; He calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of
the earth; the Lord is His name (Amos 5:8).

* Genesis 1:14-15 tells us that God created the heavenly bodies "for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years" and also as sources of light. The Hebrew word
translated "signs" speaks of a marker used for measurement, as well as a token or a
proof. In other words, God created the heavenly bodies to enable man to mark time and
to make other precise measurements. Throughout history men have used the stars to
chart their course, over land and sea and through the air, and in our time also in space
travel.

* God used the stars to illustrate and confirm His promise to give Abraham a vast number
of descendants (Genesis 15:5). Later, God reaffirmed this promise when He said that New
Covenant believer-priests would be as the host of heaven that cannot be numbered, and
the sand of the sea that cannot be measured (Jeremiah 33:22).

* God used a star to announce the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, and to guide the wise
men to Him (Matthew 2:2, 9).

* The Bible also tells us that catastrophic astronomical events will accompany His final
judgment upon the earth (Isaiah 13:9-10 and 24:21-23; Ezekiel 32:7; Joel 3:15; Matthew
26:29; Revelation 6:12-17).


Link -->> www.bondservantministries.net/docs/110709_gospel_in_the_stars.ppt


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81hJ5f2uRD0[/video]
 
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making constellations is not the same as following astrology. I mean God made the Coca plant...does that mean cocaine is good too? thats kinda the line of logic youre following.
 
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making constellations is not the same as following astrology. I mean God made the Coca plant...does that mean cocaine is good too? thats kinda the line of logic youre following.

Consider the Parables of Jesus, and how he used

* Nature,
* Imagery/allegory, and
* Metaphor/simile

to teach about a spiritual subject, from what the people knew from a physical/lifestyle
subject. Check out the video/links, it will only take a few minutes of your time, and may
offer a great reward of insight.

I really did not mean to divert the subject from the Temple/Pyramid/Sphinx. One could
make another thread to do so, for me, there is not much more to say.

THE PARABLES OF JESUS
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28391-parables-jesus.html
 
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making constellations is not the same as following astrology. I mean God made the Coca plant...does that mean cocaine is good too? thats kinda the line of logic youre following.
and men who did not believe in Jesus made the sphinx, so I do not see how this points to GOD.

oh well I guess I might be to simple.....

Acts 17

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood[c] every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
 
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and men who did not believe in Jesus made the sphinx, so I do not see how this points to GOD.
But the Lord DID make the stars, placed them there, and knows them by name according to Psalm 147.

Look, I think astrology is a bunch of hooey. The idea that a burning ball of hydrogen gas, in conjunction with another ball of gas light years away from that, somehow controls my destiny is so laughable, I'm amazed anyone could freely admit to believing it without doubling over in laughter. The only gas-bags with any control over what I do are in Washington DC.

BUT ... I also have to admit that I could well see God placing each star in the heavens with care, painting a celestial picture with them. Maybe it's the artist in me, I don't know. I have looked in the night sky and wondered if there is some message God has for us that we're being prevented from seeing for the moment because we'd just screw it up and start worshiping the creation rather than the Creator. It just seems like they couldn't have just been placed there randomly, to me God has a purpose for everything, even the stars.

But I'll also freely admit I'm probably wrong.
 
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and men who did not believe in Jesus made the sphinx, so I do not see how
this points to GOD.

oh well I guess I might be too simple.....

Acts 17

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things
you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I
even found an altar with this inscription:

As mentioned earlier, the reference point must be the Pyramid, not the Sphinx. The
Pyramid is indeed mentioned in the scriptures. It is the Altar. But it is also true, there is
no temple built with hands where God dwells. There is no magic land, no magic mountain.
It is simply that the Pyramid provides a reference point for many things, whether it is 'on
earth as it is in heaven' (as above, so below) from Orion's Belt (the Pleiades mentioned in
scripture), or whether it is a man-made mountain that marks a place on the earth, and
has relevance to Mount Sinai, Jerusalem, the 33rd degree, and etc.
These are more
esoteric or hidden things, and their allegory is not well understood, and indeed, not
needed by, the masses of men. Jesus provides the insight that is needed by all.

This is a study for certain people, not the laity-general, and only after a much deeper
understanding of the scriptures and their application than you will ever get in a church
pew. Most people should press on, and start again by reading the Bible through from
start to finish. Those are the things this sort of forum is good for in sharing and
discussing.
 
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Is all this leading up to the SDA doctrine that New Jerusalem is a pyramid?
 
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I feel bad cause i know it was important to him.
Who are you talking about, you know its important to me or God? I would say to the non-believers who reply like this that you don't care about the things of God. You could care less about our rich Christian heritage thats goes back to the Torah where Moses lead us out of Egypt and God parts the Red Sea. The skeptic will take Gods witness he placed in its proper spot and make a mockery out it, Thus attempting to nullify it and they have no part in expanding God's Kingdom. Mother Earth is Gods diamond, it was
not created to be void. Many Christians dont even realize that the Heaven and the Earth will be one again after the earth has been purified with fire 7 times over.
I love the Bible and His-story and the witnesses he has put in place. Once Moses lead Israel out of Egypt, it took 40 years to reach Jerusalem. This is part of that story.





I learned of these locations and believed first. I didnt draw a bunch of lines and make a story fit to my measuring lines, I simply believed and looked and all glory goes to the God of the Holy Bible.



I once believed like many of you and never even heard the the pyramids and the Sphinx could be part of our (His)story. I didnt know that egyptian hieroglyphics was just graffiti they later put on the rocks after Moses lead us out.


I had no idea that todays astrology is a disgusting perversion of Gods natural calendar.


Here is the movie from E Raymond Capt that really inspired me to look deeper into our History


The_Great_Pyramid_Decoded.mp4
 
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But the Lord DID make the stars, placed them there, and knows them by name according to Psalm 147.

BUT ... I also have to admit that I could well see God placing each star in the heavens with care, painting a celestial picture with them. Maybe it's the artist in me, I don't know. I have looked in the night sky and wondered if there is some message God has for us that we're being prevented from seeing for the moment because we'd just screw it up and start worshiping the creation rather than the Creator. It just seems like they couldn't have just been placed there randomly, to me God has a purpose for everything, even the stars.

But I'll also freely admit I'm probably wrong.
I always thought stars are celestial bodies and in the Bible are used to describe angels or at the very least members of God's Heavenly army. there are mysteries we can't understand but I like to look up into the night sky as well.

have you ever marveled at the many colors we see in nature and how God made it that way? how He could have made our world void of color or not made eyes which we could percieve its beauty but He did make the world like He did? the order and the bueaty leaves me stunned :)

have you pondered on how the grass is clothed and how He loves us even more then them?


i like Psalm 147

Psalm 147

Praise to God for His Word and Providence

1 Praise the LORD!
For it is good to sing praises to our God;
For it is pleasant, and praise is beautiful.

2 The LORD builds up Jerusalem;
He gathers together the outcasts of Israel.
3 He heals the brokenhearted
And binds up their wounds.
4 He counts the number of the stars;
He calls them all by name.
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power;
His understanding is infinite.
6 The LORD lifts up the humble;
He casts the wicked down to the ground


Revelation 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

I was told we each have a star or guardian angel who watches over us and teaches us when we sleep but most don't remember because it happens during delta realm sleep.

Who knows, I might be wrong...
 
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Mazzaroththe twelve signs of the zodiac


MazzarothStars or planets.

Canst thou bring forth
MAZZAROTH in his season? Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his
sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the
earth? (Job 38:32)



Prognostications, found only Job 38:32, probably meaning "the twelve signs" (of the
zodiac), as in the margin (Comp. 2 Kings 23:5).



MazzarothJob 38:32. Our translators properly suppose this word to denote the twelve signs of the
zodiac, a broad circle in the heavens, comprehending all such stars as lie in the path of the
sun and moon. As these luminaries appear to proceed throughout this circle annually, so
different parts of it progressively receive them every month; and this progression seems
to be what is meant by "bringing forth mazzaroth in his season," that is, Canst thou by
thy power cause the revolutions of the heavenly bodies in the zodiac, and the seasons of
summer and winter, in their regular succession-
Thank you for posting this information! Many never even heard of such a proposition.
 
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E W Bullinger from the late 1800's

12. "THE STARS ALSO."


In the first mention of the heavenly bodies, the purpose of the Creator is clearly stated. Gen. 1:14-19 reveals the fact that they were created, not only "to divide the day from the night, and to give light upon the earth"; but, they were set "for SIGNS, and for SEASONS, and for days and years".
The figure Polysyndeton (see Ap. 6) emphasizes these four purposes, and bids us single them out and consider them separately and independently.



They are "for SIGNS'.

Heb. 'oth, from 'athah, to come. Signs, therefore, of something or some One to come. Those who understand them are enlightened by them. Those who do not may well be "dismayed" (Jer. 10:2). The stars are numbered and named. There are twelve signs of the Zodiac, called "the stars" in Gen. 37:9 (eleven of which bowed down to Joseph's, the twelfth). The word Zodiac means the degrees or steps, which mark the stages of the sun's path through the heavens, corresponding with the twelve months.
The stars were all named by God (Ps. 147:4). Most of these names have been lost; but over 100 are preserved through the Arabic and Hebrew, and are used by astronomers to-day, though their meaning is unknown to them. Many of them are used in Scripture as being well known, though the translations are somewhat speculative : e.g. Job 9:9. Heb. 'ash (Arcturus, R.V. the Bear), kesil (A.V. Orion), kimah (Pleiades). John 38:31, 32, mazzaroth (margin, Zodiac). Cp. 2Kings 23:5, 'ash (Arcturus with her sons, R.V. the Bear with her train, both versions being incorrect as to the names). See also Isa. 13:10. Amos 5:8.
These names and the twelve "signs" go back to the foundation of the world. Jewish tradition, preserved by Josephus, assures us that this Bible astronomy was invented by Adam, Seth, and Enoch.
We see evidence of it as early as Gen. 11:4, where we read of the Tower of Babel having "his top with the heavens". There is nothing about the wrongly supplied italics "may reach unto". The words, doubtless, refer to the signs of the Zodiac, pictured at the top of the Tower, like the Zodiacs in the Temples of Denderah, and Esneh in Egypt.
The Babylonian "Creation Tablets" refer to them, though their primitive meaning had been either corrupted or lost. It is the same with the Greek mythology, which is a corruption of primitive truth which had been lost and perverted.
We have to remember that our written Scriptures began with Moses, say in 1490 B.C. : and thus, for more that 2,500 years, the revelation of the hope which God gave in Gen. 3:15 was preserved in the naming of the stars and their grouping in Signs and Constellations.
These groupings are quite arbitrary. There is nothing in the positions of the stars to suggest the pictures originally drawn around them. The Signs and Constellations were first designed and named; then, the pictures were drawn around them respectively. Thus the truth was enshrined and written in the heavens, where no human hand could touch it. In later years, when Israel came into the possession of the written "Scriptures of truth", there was no longer any need for the more ancient writing in the heavens. Hence, the original teaching gradually faded away and the heathen, out of the smattering they had heard by tradition, evolved their cosmogonies and mythologies.
 
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The Lion shall lay down with the Lamb--origins unknown



By the small size of the Great Sphinxs head in was undoubtedly re-carved.
 
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Freemason 2012 revelation spoiler"Galactic Equator"
This information is freely given without initiation​



2012 Freemason Revelations
Introduction

Just recently the University of Bradford released lectures in freemasonry and published it on their website. Dr Robert Lomas of the University of School of Management has dumped his archives on his research of Freemasonry and the information he’s got from the Masonic writer Walter Leslie Wilmshurst and published it on the internet.

The release of this information of Scottish Rite freemasons from the Hermetic vaults of masonry is astonishing to say the least since it reveals their knowledge and understanding of the Galactic Alignment that occurs this time around era-2012.


Galactic Alignment

Galactic Alignment is the conjunction of the summer and winter solstice Sun with the Galactic Equator that happens around 2012 (in the 2012 era from 1980-2016). It is the origin of the 26000 year precession cycle and the beginning of a New Age.

Galactic Alignment has been popularised by John Major Jenkins but was also discovered by professor Sergey Smelyakov 2 years prior to John Major Jenkinks’ first publication of his theory. For a detailed discussion of this subject see our paper ‘Crucifying the Earth on the Galactic Cross’.

This freemason revelation came to my attention through the publication of an article on Wayne Herschel’s website. Herschel has interpreted the freemason’s disclosure as a confirmation of his ‘mystery’ star theory but we’ll provide an alternative interpretation in this article.

Earlier we have re-interpreted Herschel’s Stonehenge-Pleiades connection and showed how the Pleiades are a pointer to the summer solstice Sun on the Milky Way (summer solstice Galactic Alignment) that is encoded at Stonehenge.


Freemason’s clues

We cannot expect that the Scottish Rite freemasons will give away their secret knowledge that they have preserved for centuries without further ado; the revelation of the information that they have given on the Bradford’s University’s website may be as close as we can ever get about learning their esoteric mysteries, yet they have left the door ajar enough for us to swing it open and reveal what’s inside.

We must keep in mind that the nature of the information that is provided by the Scottish Rite freemasons is of an exoteric nature. The hidden esoteric or occult meaning of their information is only revealed to the initiates of the Order. While a Masonic symbol may have a clear obvious exoteric appearance it may distract us from the multiple intended esoteric meanings. In other words an exoteric symbol may have one or more esoteric meanings.

All we have is the mysterious ‘Tracing Board’ and the clues that were given by the Scottish Rite freemasons on their website.

Here’s a summary of the important clues that were given:

Quote:

“The blazing star, or glory in the centre, refers us to the Sun, which enlightens the earth, and by its benign influence dispenses blessings to mankind in general”.

“In all regular, well-formed, constituted Lodges, there is a point within a circle round which a Mason cannot err; this circle is bounded between North and South by two grand parallel lines, the one representing Moses, the other King Solomon; on the upper part of this circle rests the Volume of the Sacred Law, supporting Jacob's ladder, the top of which reaches to the heavens; and were we as conversant with that holy book, and as adherent to the doctrines therein contained, as both those parallels were, it would lead us to Him who will not deceive us, neither will He suffer deception.”

“The three great Pillars supporting Mason's Lodges are emblematical of the Divine attributes; they further represent Solomon, King of Israel, Hiram, King of Tyre, and Hiram Abif. Solomon, King of Israel for his Wisdom in building, completing, and dedicating the Temple at Jerusalem to God's service; Hiram, King of Tyre, for his Strength in supporting him with men and material and Hiram Abif, for his curious a masterly workmanship in beautifying and adorning the same. But as we have no noble orders in Architecture known by the names of Wisdom Strength, and Beauty, we refer them to the three most celebrated, the Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian.”

Moses caused a tent or Tabernacle to be erected in the wilderness, which by God's especial command was situated due East and West, for Moses did everything according to a pattern shown him by the Lord on Mount Sinai. This Tent or Tabernacle proved afterwards to be the ground-plan, in respect to situation, of that most magnificent Temple built at Jerusalem by that wise and mighty Prince, King Solomon, whose regal splendour and unparalleled lustre far transcend our ideas.
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Moses
The Scottish Rite freemasons write ‘there is a point within a circle round which a Mason cannot err; this circle is bounded between North and South by two grand parallel lines, the one representing Moses, the other King Solomon’. As we have explained above this is a reference to the solstice sun. So according to the freemasons, Moses must be equalled to the solstice sun!

This reveals yet another clue.

In the book Exodus a “pillar of cloud” is mentioned that guided Moses out of the desert during the daytime and a “pillar of fire” that accompanied him by night.
 
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Is all this leading up to the SDA doctrine that New Jerusalem is a pyramid and that special charismatic apostles have been up there to consult GoD?
 
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Is all this leading up to the SDA doctrine that New Jerusalem is a pyramid and that special charismatic apostles have been up there to consult GoD?
No, there is only the Holy scriptures and no doctrines attached. This is universal. Its about the story where Moses lead us out of Eygypt, dont know if youve heard of it.
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and there will be a monument to the LORD at its border.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]20 It will be a sign and a witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When the people cry to the LORD for help against those who oppress them, he will send them a savior who will rescue them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]21 In that day the LORD will make himself known to the Egyptians. Yes, they will know the LORD and will give their sacrifices and offerings to him. They will make promises to the LORD and keep them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]22 The LORD will strike Egypt in a way that will bring healing. For the Egyptians will turn to the LORD, and he will listen to their pleas and heal them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]23 In that day Egypt and Assyria will be connected by a highway. The Egyptians and Assyrians will move freely between their lands, and they will worship the same God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]24 And Israel will be their ally. The three will be together, and Israel will be a blessing to them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]25 For the LORD Almighty will say, "Blessed be Egypt, my people. Blessed be Assyria, the land I have made. Blessed be Israel, my special possession!"[/FONT]


The information I posted about the freemasons was for some friends.
they may have known about it already yet kept it secret.
They follow king Solomon architecture and make religion out of it.
 
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