"I Dunno Nuthin' Bout Doctrine All I Know Is I Love Jesus!"

[Abiding]

When Love Divorces Doctrine And Unity Rejects Truth
OR..The Only True Love Is The Love For Truth.

Ive heard it said doctrine divides, love unifies. 1Cor. 13 ..Now abideth in faith, hope, love, but the greatest
of these is Love.

sposing that settles it right? love is supreme! but verse 6 says... love rejoices in the truth.

Love is a virtue. Truth is a frame of reference, a foundation, the atmosphere needed for virtues to exist in.

Love rejoices in the truth, because without truth to define it, to interpret it, to protect it, to guide it, to
channel it, love can be a total disaster. Love(or any virtue) and Truth cant be compared. Love would dry
up without truth.

We cant live without water, cant live in a deluge either. Col1:9,10 And this I pray, that your love may abound
yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgement; that ye may approve things that are excellent, that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ...

Love without a divine definition has no channels. It can destroy people, being reduced to satanic sentimentalism. I already lived through this in the 60s. Gods definition of Love is to give them something
which is best for them in the light of eternity.

Then said Jesus to the jews which believed on Him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And she shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free--John8:31-32

FREEDOM is achieved by total submission and surrender to Truth...nothing about love here.
And love is defined by obedience John 14:15,21,23,24.

LOVE RESISTS POISONS,PROTECTS THE FLOCK,CORRECTS ERROR.
Every system of life God made has a system to purify itself. So does the church. Truth in doctrine.
Beware of false teachers,which come to you in sheeps clothing,but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mt7:15

Correcting error is for the sake of the Truth. Romans 16:17 Now i beseech you, brethren,MARK THEM which CAUSE DIVISIONS and OFFENCES CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and avoid them.

When good doctrine is put with bad doctrine the good doesnt make the bad better. It just makes the good
worst. Its like a rotton apple in a barrel of good apples. The bad apple doesnt improve. The good ones go rotten.

Those who teach that love is more important than truth are in denial of the Holyspirits word in scripture.

Try not to miss the point. Love is essential. Love never fails. But Love rejoices in the truth, this not
generic love.

 

[Abiding]

without pure doctrine, how can you know Jesus? how can you know anything? Love? God? yourself?

 

[Laodicea]

Acts 2:42
(42) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 2:1
(1) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

They were united in doctrine at least on the main points and the Holy Spirit was poured out when they were united.

 

[Consumed]

Let's clarify something once for all. Love isn't rude, is patient kind, doesn't boast etc the fruit of the spirit is peace. Many people choose not to engage with fools, called wisdom comes from proverbs. I'll take a group hug any day and let love have it's own way. Not everyone agreed with Jesus, He just kept walking. Just cause some choose to do that is their choice, where they are at with their walk.

My greatest encouragement is and will always be love first, it shows character and maturity in God not to let the flesh get involved.

Seen this quote today
"Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."

 

[zone]

Let's clarify something once for all. Love isn't rude, is patient kind, doesn't boast etc the fruit of the spirit is peace. Many people choose not to engage with fools, called wisdom comes from proverbs. I'll take a group hug any day and let love have it's own way. Not everyone agreed with Jesus, He just kept walking. Just cause some choose to do that is their choice, where they are at with their walk.

My greatest encouragement is and will always be love first, it shows character and maturity in God not to let the flesh get involved.

Seen this quote today
"Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference."

does that apply to everybody consumed?
or just the five-fold ministry guys?
just the ones who have never-ending testimonies of people raised from the dead and people getting out of wheelchairs?

did you know paul was speaking to the people who were united in THE FAITH, you know the ONE...delivered once for all to the saints.

but we got people today who say there is NO SUCH THE FAITH delivered once for all.
God is doing a NEW THING called The LATTER RAIN - because they believed the satanic Dispensational Theology introudced by the Synagogue of Satan, which could be banished with STUDY and a correct understanding of God's Covenants, Who is Israel, what has and has not been fulfilled, etc etc.

they want new prophets and apsotles, and they DO NOT CARE if they have to overthrow THE FOUNDATION to have them. well, they got what they wanted. NOW WHAT?

so, i'll take part in group hugs when i want to.
and i'll commend and edify good doctrine and sincere attempts to find it when i want to.

and i'll STAND AGAINST FALSE DOCTRINE and corruption in the church when i want to.

and if that doesn't win me any friends i couldn't care less.

love you (hug)
zone.

 

[Red33]

without pure doctrine, how can you know Jesus? how can you know anything? Love? God? yourself?

Let me add one passage of scripture to all the good and mature points that you have made in you OP.

Phil 1:9,10

9 And this I pray, that your LOVE (agape) may ABOUND (exceed in abundance) yet more and more in KNOWLEDGE (precise and correct) and in ALL JUDGMENT(discernmnent);

10 That ye may APPROVE(test and examine) things that are EXCELLENT (those things that have passed the test and been approved) ; that ye may be SINCERE (found pure) and WITHOUT OFFENCE(not having anything that would cause you to stumble in your conscience) till the day of Christ;

 

[Abiding]

Let me add one passage of scripture to all the good and mature points that you have made in you OP.

Phil 1:9,10

9 And this I pray, that your LOVE (agape) may ABOUND (exceed in abundance) yet more and more in KNOWLEDGE (precise and correct) and in ALL JUDGMENT(discernmnent);

10 That ye may APPROVE(test and examine) things that are EXCELLENT (those things that have passed the test and been approved) ; that ye may be SINCERE (found pure) and WITHOUT OFFENCE(not having anything that would cause you to stumble in your conscience) till the day of Christ;

Hey Red, That was in my intro but thanks, i love to read it again! Oh ya looks like i wrote col. should have been Phil. good eyes bro

 

[zone]

good thread Abiding.
(though association with me will likely hurt you, not help you), i still say AMEN.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

without pure doctrine, how can you know Jesus? how can you know anything? Love? God? yourself?

Without pure doctrine you can't know the love of God. because you can't know God period. All you will have is a distorted view of him. which usually does not fare good in his part.

 

[Abiding]

hurt me? ha!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

good thread Abiding.
(though association with me will likely hurt you, not help you), i still say AMEN.

lol yeah. we just made his thread vulnerable to attack even if it was a great thread because we agree

Sorry abiding, my friend!!

 

[Consumed]

I love you too zone. I found it to be unfruitful and damaging to me personally doing it full frontal. I love reading the posts, gives me great pray time. I see people love Jesus and get bound up with everything else but Jesus. It's just where they are at, iv learned in my walk by keeping a open heart and God true to His word directs my path.

The word become flesh, Jesus, God is love, that love manifested in and thru Jesus in full view on Calvary. Love carried Him all the way. He was scorned mocked beaten ridiculed called a demon, He counted it all joy. I love the Word, the Word that become flesh and His blood shed for me, a wretched soul saved by grace.

I can post scriptures and argue and believe me something's I read I cringe but choose jusr not to get involved. I understand sharing and correcting but honestly just becomes fruitless arguing. I pm people to remember Jesus all the time, not to take offense, make peace they can still debate just keep the personal attacks out. We reap what we sow, I'd rather sow love, water with love and let God bring the increase.

We can know everything, do everything but if it's not in His Spirit of love it's fruitless. We are all different I don't begrudge anyone. I encourage what's dear to my heart.

By all means challenge, reprove and even rebuke, group hugs are best enjoyed before during and after, doors of hearts are open to reflect on what's been shared and Gods spirit can encourage the rest ad to making the adjustments.

You have a beautiful heart and passion for Jesus zone, that I never question, nor I do with any on here who call Jesus Lord.
Oh how I pray to go home, none of this goes on in His Kingdom. Maybe that's why I'm more interested in that regard, the whole on earth as is in heaven deal. I don't know, I just find it all can be sad for me when it's on.

I love everyone hear, even those who don't like me, I don't care

 

[unclefester]

good thread Abiding.
(though association with me will likely hurt you, not help you), i still say AMEN.

It is a great post by Abiding. And as for association, I wouldn't have it any other way. I've never been afraid to go it alone, if need be. Glad I don't have to here though

 

[Consumed]

Peter and Paul both prayed that we would increase in the knowledge of Jesus, to me it just means a whole different thing. Actually the whole bible is love.
We are all different.

Blessings

 

[Laodicea]

Peter and Paul both prayed that we would increase in the knowledge of Jesus, to me it just means a whole different thing. Actually the whole bible is love.
We are all different.

Blessings

Romans 13:8-10
(8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(9) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (10 commandments)

 

[Abiding]

Thats what most people do is stay out. Let it alone. Let it rot the whole barrel. Or get in and find yourself in a battle, maybe weaken and
throw a punch or two. Thing is the truth calls us back to correct us, guide us. Start again. The thread was clear that love is key and so it is
in all that we do. But without truth its all for nothing. A different gospel, different Jesus, different walk. Dissimulated love.

When i see courage or faithfulness, im bound to help and join forces. Not run when it challanges me. Or crying over the scratches. He will
train us , and improve us. But its OJT. He is not ashamed. So neither am I. Armchair quarterbacking ive done that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thats what most people do is stay out. Let it alone. Let it rot the whole barrel. Or get in and find yourself in a battle, maybe weaken and
throw a punch or two. Thing is the truth calls us back to correct us, guide us. Start again. The thread was clear that love is key and so it is
in all that we do. But without truth its all for nothing. A different gospel, different Jesus, different walk. Dissimulated love.

When i see courage or faithfulness, im bound to help and join forces. Not run when it challanges me. Or crying over the scratches. He will
train us , and improve us. But its OJT. He is not ashamed. So neither am I. Armchair quarterbacking ive done that.

Your right, God is not ashamed. nor are his people.

as for armchair quarterbacking. Not everyone can be at peace with themselves standing up for truth and getting in the trenches to expose false teachings (especially the gospel) they like to keep the peace.Then again, not everyone has too.

That is one of the many things which gives me even more faith in Christianity. It is the most divided, the most attcked. But it should be. Satan will attack what threatens him. He is not going to attack islam or hinduism or any of these other religions because they are no threat to him. So they thing they use to say Christianity can't be real because look at all the fighting. actually goes against them. because it shows Satan is not attacking them. thats why they can be in peace. Satan leaves them alone!

 

[systemdown101]

I agree with this thread, but I better clarify how I define doctrine.

I came on this forum and I'm immediately reading about the Five Points of Calvinism, when I was unaware there were any, or the Importance of the Council of Someplace, or the Theory of Whatever, or the Whatchamacalit Whozits, or the Star-Bellied Sneetches, or ... well, I could go on and on, but you get my point. I see someone write about the Council of Nicaea, and it looks like tax code to me.

All I ever thought I needed was the Bible. What does Jesus command, what do the apostles say, what are the prophecies in both testaments, what does God want me to do?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with this thread, but I better clarify how I define doctrine.

I came on this forum and I'm immediately reading about the Five Points of Calvinism, when I was unaware there were any, or the Importance of the Council of Someplace, or the Theory of Whatever, or the Whatchamacalit Whozits, or the Star-Bellied Sneetches, or ... well, I could go on and on, but you get my point. I see someone write about the Council of Nicaea, and it looks like tax code to me.

All I ever thought I needed was the Bible. What does Jesus command, what do the apostles say, what are the prophecies in both testaments, what does God want me to do?

Use Jesus as the apostles as your example.

When Jesus was confronted with what he taught, Jesus did not go to some Nicene creed, or this creed or that creed, or this counsel or that counsel. He said "it is written." Same the apostles. Paul said he reasoned from scripture to show what he said was real. If Jesus and the apostles used scripture alone to prove their doctrines came from God. we should follow their lead.

 

[Consumed]

Sorry I am such an offense to you mike. Obviously you started this thread with me in mind, that's ok. Why should I bother with what's already being said, sometimes with the most crass methods but still all the same. Am I seeking club membership??
1 cor 13 speaks volumes, especially about clanging cymbals, best part is when being opposite to the fruit of the spirit to correct people as love.
Armchair quarterback ?? Back to crass to make a point. Personal snide remarks are never warranted, but hey it's done in love?? Please spare me the theatrics.

Maturity in Christ shows with what level one can control their tongue, do you know my heart, what "doctrine" I hold??

Please brother don't judge me, you don't know who I am, what I think or why I come here.

Blessings, and I assure you I'm not offended, amazed but not offended.
Many members to a body, each has a different function, is one less important than the other??