For those who do not believe in the Trinity

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AtonedFor

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Why doesn’t somebody …
produce an itty-bitty scrap of an old manuscript (or old Bible)
that is missing Trinity information found in our Bibles today:
10+ verses … each of which mentions all 3 Persons of the Trinity.
70+ more verses … teach Jesus is God, is equal to Father God, is the Creator
of all things, is the Sustainer of all things now, is the Giver of eternal life, etc.
10+ more verses ... teach the Holy Spirit is part of the Triune Godhead.

For 1700 years, the Muslims have been hunting unsuccessfully for evidence.
Guess what, folks, these verses have always been there.

Non-believers need to prove otherwise
Opinions just do not count for anything in this business!
Spiritual truth does not come through the intellect, education, reasoning, etc.

Clearing up some things about what Jesus said (and did not say)

1) He taught in parables so many would NOT understand Him (Mark 4:34, Luke 8:10).

2) He hinted somewhat at His divinity … and He had several good reasons for this.

3) He told people (who knew who He really was) to NOT tell anyone else:
He wouldn't let demons say who he was (Mark 1:23-25, 1:34, 3:11-12).
He healed people, but told them not to tell anyone (Mt 8:1-4, Mk 1:40-44, Lk 5:12-15).
He told his disciples, but said to keep it a secret (Mt 16:20, Mk 8:29-30, Lk 9:20-21).

4) He told His disciples about the Trinity so His words would be recorded later.

5) He did NOT talk about the Trinity to the general unsaved population.
As in the Old Covenant, anyone teaching this would be called a crazy person.
But, some believe in it through blind faith (having been born into Christianity).
Others probably need a spiritual revelation from God to believe in it …
some “Christians” see the verses, but somehow don’t believe them!

(6) Jesus warned some of the Pharisees in the temple:
“… if you do not believe that I AM (God), you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

Concerning what Paul said

Paul was writing to the churches (full of saved people) so he could be more open.
A) Jesus is God (or is equal to Father God):
... Romans 9:5, Philippians 2:10-11, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8-13.

B) Jesus is the Creator of all things:
... 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2 & 1:10-11

C) Jesus is the Sustainer of all things now: Colossian 1:17, Hebrews 1:3

D) Jesus is the exact image, representation, etc. of Father God:
... 2 Corinthians 4:4, Philippians 2:6, Colossians 1:15-19, 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:3

E) Jesus is “the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him” (Hebrews 5:9)

F) He used titles for Jesus that were used for God in the OT:
... Lord of glory (1 Cor 2:8), Rock (1 Cor 10:4), Savior (Titus 2:13), Redeemer (Gal 3:13)

G) He said everyone’s knee shall bow and their tongues confess to Jesus (Phil 2:7-11),
and this was said of God in the OT (Isaiah 45:22-23).

Beyond all of the above
Many millions of born-again Christians around the world have the Holy Spirit
“in” them … teaching them “all things” (John 14:16-26, etc.).
These millions have NOT experienced God telling them the Trinity is untrue.
God has called and anointed thousands of evangelists to spread His gospel
around the world and their gospel tracts have the Trinity imbedded in them.
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Beyond all of the above
Many millions of born-again Christians around the world have the Holy Spirit
“in” them … teaching them “all things” (John 14:16-26, etc.).
These millions have NOT experienced God telling them the Trinity is untrue
Maybe they are not listening close enough?
 
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Scotth1960

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Maybe they are not listening close enough?
Let all those who do not believe in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the All-Holy Trinity, let them be anathema!
 
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I believe the last part is true. God's Spirit is in all His believers. I think alot of people have false doctrine and God wants them to feel convicted. I know personally that the Holy Spirit would let me know and some things just don't sound like Scripture when you hear them spoken.
 
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People who don't believe the Trinity are usually a imposing kind of people I have noticed. They seem discouraged and only focus on their Oneness doctrine. I believe they grieve the Holy Spirit with their questions. They don't talk like the Bible. The way they say it just sounds like something else.
 
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People who don't believe the Trinity are usually a imposing kind of people I have noticed. They seem discouraged and only focus on their Oneness doctrine. I believe they grieve the Holy Spirit with their questions. They don't talk like the Bible. The way they say it just sounds like something else.
I guess your redemption comes from the fact that you didn't say ALL of them, but I'm not discouraged, singularly focused, or Oneness, and I don't think much of anyone on CC sounds like the Bible, whether Trinitarian or something else. Mostly they sound like the narrow, bitter, angry people of this world. It could just be the topic that brings it out of them, but most of the conversations I see on here do NOT have a God-glorifying tone in the least.
 
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People who don't believe the Trinity are usually a imposing kind of people I have noticed. They seem discouraged and only focus on their Oneness doctrine. I believe they grieve the Holy Spirit with their questions. They don't talk like the Bible. The way they say it just sounds like something else.
What?????????
 
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May I share this please... Look at it this way.... Jesus asked the Father.... in John 17... Father that they may all be one!!! How can I be one with any of you? Only one WAY!!! If we have the same spirit is us.... Jesus and God is ONE because they have the SAME SPIRIT! Let me show you just how one we can be... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
Let me also tell you that when we are made ONE in Him we will be ONE!!! Eph 4 says it clearly, and now you will think this is blasphemy, but only because you do not READ AND SEE... You are made PERFECTLY ONE WITH GOD AND JESUS...ONE right here on earth... LOOK...There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The only reason you do agree with eachother is you are NOT IN THIS ONE YET!...If there is ONE Body... And ONE Spirit, there is not a single disagreement. Let me give you this gaurentee... YOU ARE NOT ONE YET!!! SEEK JESUS AND BE MADE ONE!!!!PERFECTLY ONE... HIM!!! You are made JESUS, ONE WITH HIM AND ONE WITH FATHER....ONE!!!
 

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May I share this please... Look at it this way.... Jesus asked the Father.... in John 17... Father that they may all be one!!! How can I be one with any of you? Only one WAY!!! If we have the same spirit is us.... Jesus and God is ONE because they have the SAME SPIRIT! Let me show you just how one we can be... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
Let me also tell you that when we are made ONE in Him we will be ONE!!! Eph 4 says it clearly, and now you will think this is blasphemy, but only because you do not READ AND SEE... You are made PERFECTLY ONE WITH GOD AND JESUS...ONE right here on earth... LOOK...There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The only reason you do agree with eachother is you are NOT IN THIS ONE YET!...If there is ONE Body... And ONE Spirit, there is not a single disagreement. Let me give you this gaurentee... YOU ARE NOT ONE YET!!! SEEK JESUS AND BE MADE ONE!!!!PERFECTLY ONE... HIM!!! You are made JESUS, ONE WITH HIM AND ONE WITH FATHER....ONE!!!
more of your xtianized pantheism
 
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I believe the last part is true. God's Spirit is in all His believers. I think alot of people have false doctrine and God wants them to feel convicted. I know personally that the Holy Spirit would let me know and some things just don't sound like Scripture when you hear them spoken.
Isnt it Scoot that wants people to be accursed for not bowing down and worshiping his opinion?????
 
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I'm not sure where you're getting that.
Sorry I meant to respond to this statement

Originally Posted by jonathanbchristian

People who don't believe the Trinity are usually a imposing kind of people I have noticed. They seem discouraged and only focus on their Oneness doctrine. I believe they grieve the Holy Spirit with their questions. They don't talk like the Bible. The way they say it just sounds like something else.
 
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I think we should not waste one more second talking of this Trinity subject. I hope all Christians will join me on this and by pass the post from this minute on. The devil is trying got divide us and keep us arguing over stupid stuff.
 
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Scotth1960

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Isnt it Scoot that wants people to be accursed for not bowing down and worshiping his opinion?????
So, would you rather be 5runner, if you can't spell well enough and call me Scott instead of Scott. Your sarcasm is unkind. There's no room for unkindness in this forum. It's supposed to be a Christian forum, after all. I'm not here to despise you, so you shouldn't despise me, thank you!
 
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Jesus Christ the God/man

John 20:17 *Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 17:3 *And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Obedience to his Father adhering to the laws as an human, without sin (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Exhibiting his deity:

Job 9:8 *Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Matthew 14:26 *And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

His Father acknowledging his deity

Hebrews 1:8 *But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

the end.
 

Dude653

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Let all those who do not believe in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the All-Holy Trinity, let them be anathema!
I believe in the trinity, but since you choose to say hateful things, you will now occupy the # 9 slot in my ignore bin
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

Isnt it Scoot that wants people to be accursed for not bowing down and worshiping his opinion?????
So, would you rather be 5runner, if you can't spell well enough and call me Scott instead of Scott. Your sarcasm is unkind. There's no room for unkindness in this forum. It's supposed to be a Christian forum, after all. I'm not here to despise you, so you shouldn't despise me, thank you!
Oh man this is too much. First you want everyone who doesnt agree you to be accursed then you ridicule me for a typo, and then you say there is no room for unkindness in this forum....dude wake up
 
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I believe in the trinity, but since you choose to say hateful things, you will now occupy the # 9 slot in my ignore bin
Exactly, and then he claims there is no room for unkindness...wow!!!