Why Catholics pray to Mary or Saints

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Ledbabe42

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Fundamentalists challenge the Catholic practice of asking Saints (Mary) and Angels to pray for us. But the Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.
Check Psalm 103, and Psalm 148.
 
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kev360

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just out of curiosity, at what verse does it say that we should pray to the angels/saints? i read through both of the chapters that you referenced, and they both talk about angels praising the Lord, but i didn't see anything about asking angels to pray with us. i only saw it saying that they praise him.
 
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Doesnt matter what poetical passages in the OT say....

Jesus Christ is the one and ONLY mediator in the New Covenant.

Question: do you ask deceased family members or reposed members of your congregation for prayers?
 
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Consumed

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Orthodox do as well not just Catholics
 
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Colourfulchaos

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Cut out the middle man... Just pray to the Lord :)
 
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astroguy

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let me say it is no problem to ask someone to pray for you(saints,Mary).furthermore we don't pray to them.it is because we are all sinners and need assistance.similarly protestants ask their pastors to pray for them when they are in need.Aren't pastors humans?the most important thing is to believe in God our creator.
 

dscherck

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Doesnt matter what poetical passages in the OT say....

Jesus Christ is the one and ONLY mediator in the New Covenant.

Question: do you ask deceased family members or reposed members of your congregation for prayers?
Do you ever ask living members of your congregation to pray for you? If so, why not cut out the middle man?

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Slepsog4

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Catholics and others who pray to Mary or saints are simply following false teachers. They are committing necromancy (talking to the dead).

Intercession is biblical. But there is a world of difference between asking a minister to pray for you and talking to dead folks.

BTW, the dead have not been resurrected yet, so they are still waiting. Thus, they are not in heaven yet.
 
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Do you ever ask living members of your congregation to pray for you? If so, why not cut out the middle man?
Theres nothing wrong with talking to LIVING people and asking them for stuff. It's not necromancy or consulting spirits.
 
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Scotth1960

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Orthodox do as well not just Catholics
Dear Consumed: Really, Eastern Orthodox do not pray TO Mary and the Saints; they pray TO GOD THROUGH Mary and the Saints. And IMPORTANT distinction. Mary and the Saints are ALIVE in Heaven, so we can pray TO God THROUGH them, since they NOW pray TO God in Heaven FOR us.

Thus, we can pray, "Through the prayers of Thy Most Pure Mother, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us"; "Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us". In Erie PA USA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington
 
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BTW, the dead have not been resurrected yet, so they are still waiting. Thus, they are not in heaven yet.

If that were the case, then how did Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus so that the apostles asked if they should make three tents/dwellings?
 
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Dear Consumed: Really, Eastern Orthodox do not pray TO Mary and the Saints; they pray TO GOD THROUGH Mary and the Saints. And IMPORTANT distinction. Mary and the Saints are ALIVE in Heaven, so we can pray TO God THROUGH them, since they NOW pray TO God in Heaven FOR us.

Thus, we can pray, "Through the prayers of Thy Most Pure Mother, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us"; "Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us". In Erie PA USA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington
Scott...do repose members of your congregation and repose family members count as "saints"?
 
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Scotth1960

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If that were the case, then how did Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus so that the apostles asked if they should make three tents/dwellings?
The Bible says, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD". So it is true the saved Christian dead, the dead in Christ, are already with the LORD in heaven in their souls. Only their bodies are in death, temporarily. Awaiting the resurrection.
 
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Scotth1960

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Scott...do repose members of your congregation and repose family members count as "saints"?
I'm still waiting for you to explain where Dr. Strangelove is in either the OT or the NT. Or maybe he's in the "Apocrypha" or perhaps in the "Pseudepigrapha". Or the "Gnostic Gospels" (sic). LOL.
I trust saints have a sense of humor. Answer: All Christians are saints. But all people are sinners. So all saints are just forgiven sinners.
 
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I trust saints have a sense of humor. Answer: All Christians are saints. But all people are sinners. So all saints are just forgiven sinners.
So you talk to reposed members of your church because they are Christians and therefore saints yes?

Just wanna confirm this before we go on.
 
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Warrior44

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Scott...do repose members of your congregation and repose family members count as "saints"?
Scott is orthodox (or going to be) and im not sure of his views on this but i think they are similar to those of the Catholic Church. To be declared a saint is an extremely long process. There is a 5 year waiting period after the persons death. Then an investigation called by the local bishop, review of the case bby theologians, cardinals, and bishops. the next step is beatification. For beatification one of the requirements is a miracle connected to the person must be observed and verified after the persons death. Once beatified the person may be used as an example for the Church within a limited scope. then theres canonization. Another miracle following the beatification must be observed along with other requirements for the person to be declared a saint. Neither of the miracles can be able to be explained scientifically.
Asking a friend or pastor to pray for you is asking tht person to intercede for you on your behalf. why did you ask this person? B"ecause he/she is a holy person and you know God listens to that person" you may say. Well how do you know? Did you spend 5 years reviewing every element of that persons life? Did you thoroughly investigate 2 miracles attributde to him/her? Probably not.
 

Cleante

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Scott is orthodox (or going to be) and im not sure of his views on this but i think they are similar to those of the Catholic Church. To be declared a saint is an extremely long process. There is a 5 year waiting period after the persons death. Then an investigation called by the local bishop, review of the case bby theologians, cardinals, and bishops. the next step is beatification. For beatification one of the requirements is a miracle connected to the person must be observed and verified after the persons death. Once beatified the person may be used as an example for the Church within a limited scope. then theres canonization. Another miracle following the beatification must be observed along with other requirements for the person to be declared a saint. Neither of the miracles can be able to be explained scientifically.
Asking a friend or pastor to pray for you is asking tht person to intercede for you on your behalf. why did you ask this person? B"ecause he/she is a holy person and you know God listens to that person" you may say. Well how do you know? Did you spend 5 years reviewing every element of that persons life? Did you thoroughly investigate 2 miracles attributde to him/her? Probably not.
There really is no process to be named a Saint in the Orthodox Church. It just has to be received by the Church as a whole.
 
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Scott? Are Christians saints?

Yay? Nay?
 

dscherck

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Catholics and others who pray to Mary or saints are simply following false teachers. They are committing necromancy (talking to the dead).

Intercession is biblical. But there is a world of difference between asking a minister to pray for you and talking to dead folks.

BTW, the dead have not been resurrected yet, so they are still waiting. Thus, they are not in heaven yet.
Sorry but Scripture disagrees.

They are well aware of us, and they cheer us on and are a great cloud of witnesses.
 

dscherck

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So you talk to reposed members of your church because they are Christians and therefore saints yes?

Just wanna confirm this before we go on.
I do. There are several people from my parish who've reposed, and I have asked them to kindly remember me in their prayers in Heaven. I also have asked my grandpa to pray for me too during times of trouble.