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Did anyone see the vid of John MacArthur rebuking Joel Osteen? What do you think? If u didn't here's the link ---> John MacArthur Rebukes Joel Osteen - YouTube
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I agree with Abiding. The lack of discernment displayed by Osteen's followers is nothing short of amazing. 2 Timothy 4:3...For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
I think Texas as a state and culture is lost. Sports Stadium-Church?
Even Dallas Theological has been infiltrated and corrupted. This is what happens to any
organization or institution - they are open to any and all with a minimal of prior
commitment or training.
Joel Osteen comes from a background of scheister-preaching. But religion is popular in
Texas. It is the entire mindset of Zionism and Materialism as "g-d". He is in good
company with so many other false preachers. In these end-times, many have ears
needing to be itched - and many a preacher have itching powder raining down from the
pulpit.
John MacArthur has many excellent teachings and expose's. My one concern is that while
he is the leader of "Grace Community Church" he is a proponent of Calvin, Spurgeon and
Warfield which I have refuted and rebuked in these forums. He does this in his
[otherwise] excellent book "Ashamed of the Gospel".
As to whether Joel Osteen denies "Jesus is the only way" he does so, by teaching a
different way. Let those who preach any other gospel than this gospel (of Jesus as Lord)
be Accursed -- Make it so!
P.S.
* There are other threads on Apostasy, False Teachers, and such like, this thread would
be good to link to those other threads -- do the moderators do or encourage this?
* Is there a problem with embedding YouTube or MP3 files directly into the thread? For
example do they take up server space, memory utilization, processing or other
resources, or are they simply linked back to the original web cite that is embedded?
Even Dallas Theological has been infiltrated and corrupted. This is what happens to any
organization or institution - they are open to any and all with a minimal of prior
commitment or training.
Joel Osteen comes from a background of scheister-preaching. But religion is popular in
Texas. It is the entire mindset of Zionism and Materialism as "g-d". He is in good
company with so many other false preachers. In these end-times, many have ears
needing to be itched - and many a preacher have itching powder raining down from the
pulpit.
John MacArthur has many excellent teachings and expose's. My one concern is that while
he is the leader of "Grace Community Church" he is a proponent of Calvin, Spurgeon and
Warfield which I have refuted and rebuked in these forums. He does this in his
[otherwise] excellent book "Ashamed of the Gospel".
As to whether Joel Osteen denies "Jesus is the only way" he does so, by teaching a
different way. Let those who preach any other gospel than this gospel (of Jesus as Lord)
be Accursed -- Make it so!
P.S.
* There are other threads on Apostasy, False Teachers, and such like, this thread would
be good to link to those other threads -- do the moderators do or encourage this?
* Is there a problem with embedding YouTube or MP3 files directly into the thread? For
example do they take up server space, memory utilization, processing or other
resources, or are they simply linked back to the original web cite that is embedded?
I did not see the clip, but if John MacArthur is going to rebuke Joel Osteen he should do it privately, if he is lead by God to do so. When things like this are done publicly, rebuking others with so many observing, it hinders the body of Christ. Some of you think that Paul did this but he never did. He knew Peter and rebuked him to his face before all because Barnabus was carried away with the hypocrisy of certain Jews concerning circumcision, but it was done and kept in the local church at Antioch (Gal 2:11-14).
Don't forget what Paul also said in (Phil 1:15-18)...
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Instead of rebuking others all the time, why not take what they do preach that honors Christ, the gospel message or the word of God and rejoice in it. John MacArthur has some room to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. He should rejoice whenever the gospel is preached and sinners are pointed to Christ for salvation, even if is only a message of good will.
Don't forget what Paul also said in (Phil 1:15-18)...
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Instead of rebuking others all the time, why not take what they do preach that honors Christ, the gospel message or the word of God and rejoice in it. John MacArthur has some room to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ. He should rejoice whenever the gospel is preached and sinners are pointed to Christ for salvation, even if is only a message of good will.
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India is Hindu for the most part and "god" would refer to Ganesha, Shiva, Krishna or one of the many other idols and when Joel says "they love god" it implies that God is Jesus but it is NOT. If they are Hindu or "Indian" as he says then they are NOT Christians. though some who are in India ARE Christians, but listen to this clip of where he refuses to state that JESUS is the only way and implies that Hindus worship the same "god" as he does and what he says is "biblical".
False Teacher Joel Osteen: The Gospel - YouTube
there is a Hindu movement that is called Vedanta Hinduism that looks a lot like New Age Christianity, just different terms for the same practices.
False Teacher Joel Osteen: The Gospel - YouTube
there is a Hindu movement that is called Vedanta Hinduism that looks a lot like New Age Christianity, just different terms for the same practices.
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Greetings,
I believe it was done with the safety of the sheep in mind. Me personally, I believe he's a false teacher and a Pharisee and would strongly reccomend that any members of his Church (and I use that term very loosely) come out. I understand that there are members of his Church on CC but my response would be the same to them.
I believe it was done with the safety of the sheep in mind. Me personally, I believe he's a false teacher and a Pharisee and would strongly reccomend that any members of his Church (and I use that term very loosely) come out. I understand that there are members of his Church on CC but my response would be the same to them.
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I understand what your trying to say brother but my response would be thus:
Is rebuking an individual privately liberating his followers from the bondage of false doctrine? I understand that it's the lack of discernment among the congregants in order for them to willingly submit to these teachings, but, the purpose of a watchman is to warn the people of the impending doom that would befall them, not only limiting himself to the just rebuke of the one that would ultimately do the plundering (even though that should be a part of it). You cannot change a wolf, you can only protect the sheep from the presence thereof. I believe that's what John MacArthur was trying to do, and if Joel Osteen was truly a man of God he would now be leading millions astray. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Sadducees publicly and warned His disciples regarding them; regarding the leaven (doctrine=teachings) of the Pharisees (Matt. 16:5-12).
We are a peculiar people and we don't just fly by the seat of our pants and do what we think is the right thing to do in our own eyes (our own understanding). That is why we have the scriptures, that's why we have doctrine, that is why we do things by faith. Love thinks no evil (1Cor 13:56). I wonder how many believers really practice that kind of love, a love where no guile is found (Jn 1:47, 1Pt 2:22). You might not like the message he preaches and it might not do anything for you, but you don't have to go their and worship God unless God calls you.
What is it about Joel Osteen that bothers you and others so much that you can't commit him to God through your discernment, instead of feeling the urge to rebuke those that have such a great following? So what if he has a mega-church and has some kind of prosperity message as a wealthy believer. If Osteen was to backslide and fall into sin, would you have compassion and be merciful to him and hope through the love of God that he would be restored or would you be one that rejoices in iniquity?
Do you know if this man Osteen lays his life down for those in his assembly? Be honest, do you really know or would you be just guessing? You don't know what he has been through with members of his church because most of the time it would be confidential and private. I think that when a man lays his life down for the sheep that he is exhibiting the greatest labour of love a believer can exhibit, don't you? Would you feel comfortable rebuking someone that might not have your doctrine but loves his people and is a selfless pastor when it comes to meeting the needs of his sheep? These are the kind of things that we should consider before we get into this rebuking thing that so many these days love to exercise themselves in. No condemnation, just life in the Lamb of God.
What is it about Joel Osteen that bothers you and others so much that you can't commit him to God through your discernment, instead of feeling the urge to rebuke those that have such a great following? So what if he has a mega-church and has some kind of prosperity message as a wealthy believer. If Osteen was to backslide and fall into sin, would you have compassion and be merciful to him and hope through the love of God that he would be restored or would you be one that rejoices in iniquity?
Do you know if this man Osteen lays his life down for those in his assembly? Be honest, do you really know or would you be just guessing? You don't know what he has been through with members of his church because most of the time it would be confidential and private. I think that when a man lays his life down for the sheep that he is exhibiting the greatest labour of love a believer can exhibit, don't you? Would you feel comfortable rebuking someone that might not have your doctrine but loves his people and is a selfless pastor when it comes to meeting the needs of his sheep? These are the kind of things that we should consider before we get into this rebuking thing that so many these days love to exercise themselves in. No condemnation, just life in the Lamb of God.
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I know exactly what he teaches, psychology mixed with magic. And he tells lies that are the exact opposite
of what the bible teaches. He doesnt represent Jesus, he doesnt teach hardly anything from scripture. He has a megachurch because he teaches a flesh message. Red we have instructions from scripture on how
to deal with it. I dont have any personal feelings about this. Im not in any competition with him. Im not jelious of him. Hes a false teacher and thats all there is to it. Ive dealt with and counceled people who have
followed him, misled and disappointed, and they needed to relearn alot. And the reason so many are pointing out false teachers is because there are so many. Im sure most people would be glad to reach out
to any of them.
of what the bible teaches. He doesnt represent Jesus, he doesnt teach hardly anything from scripture. He has a megachurch because he teaches a flesh message. Red we have instructions from scripture on how
to deal with it. I dont have any personal feelings about this. Im not in any competition with him. Im not jelious of him. Hes a false teacher and thats all there is to it. Ive dealt with and counceled people who have
followed him, misled and disappointed, and they needed to relearn alot. And the reason so many are pointing out false teachers is because there are so many. Im sure most people would be glad to reach out
to any of them.
I know that you can be stiffnecked about things just like me at times. Do you admit that? lol Yah! There are others on here that can relate to that as well but we will leave them alone for now. If you had over 40,000 people to shepherd you might have all kinds of believers in your assembly that have all kinds of different beliefs about things including the scriptures. Tell me that Paul, who had the care of all the churches, did not have a daunting task in presenting the whole counsel of God to all these churches.
Osteen may not be very deep in the word and doctrine, being observed through his preaching and teaching, which would be a great asset for him if he was one that laboured in the word and doctrine. Then he would be able to feed them with meet and not so much milk all the time. However, he has his relationship with Christ and teaches the things that he does and does not force a single one of them on anybody, he's just not like that. If you want to think evil of the guy go right ahead, but I won't and I will go after anyone that tries it with Billy Graham as well, especially when you can see the fruit. It might not be the kind of fruit that we think should be borne when we abide in Christ, but it is fruit unto God and I do not think God rejects it.
Osteen may not be very deep in the word and doctrine, being observed through his preaching and teaching, which would be a great asset for him if he was one that laboured in the word and doctrine. Then he would be able to feed them with meet and not so much milk all the time. However, he has his relationship with Christ and teaches the things that he does and does not force a single one of them on anybody, he's just not like that. If you want to think evil of the guy go right ahead, but I won't and I will go after anyone that tries it with Billy Graham as well, especially when you can see the fruit. It might not be the kind of fruit that we think should be borne when we abide in Christ, but it is fruit unto God and I do not think God rejects it.
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Stiffnecked no. steadfast and unwavering..sure. To teach for a gospel that you speak things into(like the most high) existance. To teach that in this life God wants you to have perfect health, absolute success, happy every moment. Bringing this about comes by programming yourself, which is selfdeception, and a delusion.
Rather than repentance, adore yourself. Come on Red, im sorry. You can love him. I wasnt wanting to trash him. But i have nothing good to say.
Because these people hit reality and are wounded. Some of them feel robbed and cheated afterwards, because they were.
Rather than repentance, adore yourself. Come on Red, im sorry. You can love him. I wasnt wanting to trash him. But i have nothing good to say.
Because these people hit reality and are wounded. Some of them feel robbed and cheated afterwards, because they were.
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The problem here is you're debating against something you couldn't even take the time to listen to. I find it funny how many Christians ignore the bibles warnings on false gospels. Their attitudes are like a 'Christian political correctness' where you aren't allowed to criticize or question anyone as long as they use all the right lingo, doesn't matter if their teachings are so far off they can't rightly be considered Christian teaching at all. That attitude reminds me more of a worldly attitude than a biblical call to test all things in light of scripture. and Osteen's message fails that test. Perhaps if you'd taken time to listen and learn instead of just thinking you know better you'd find this out as well.