"We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

[Scotth1960]

"We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Friends, You should take time to explain yourselves if you use the word "cult".
See:
"What is a Cult?"
What is a Cult?

God bless you. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington August 2011 AD

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Cult = Traditions of religious group nullify Gods Word.

Like eastern orthodox....as proved in this thread which Scotty has yet to rebutt.

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

Post #9 Scott. In yer own time. Point by point theres a good lad.

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Cult = Traditions of religious group nullify Gods Word.

Like eastern orthodox....as proved in this thread which Scotty has yet to rebutt.

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

Post #9 Scott. In yer own time. Point by point theres a good lad.

Traditions of men which nullify God's word:

Dear Strangelove,

Martin Luther's traditions of men (of a man: of Martin Luther), which nullifies God's word:
Martin Luther's man-made tradition.

According to Martin Luther, Saint Paul says, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith alone without the deeds of the law". Romans 3:28, Luther's translation which has the word "alone". Cf. the KJV, which does not have the word "alone."
According to the King James Bible translators, Saint James 2:24 says, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only". James 2:24 KJV

Thus, in Luther's "Bible", James and Paul contradict each other, making Luther's god of two minds (double-minded; and "a double minded man is unstable in all his ways".). Luther's god is forged in Luther's own image of "solafideism" and "solascripturism".

Luther also tried to remove James, 2 Peter, Hebrews, and Revelation from the New Testament.

He also called some of the books of the Greek Old Testament "Apocrypha", and he took it upon himself to agree with the unbelieving Jews of the Council of Jamnia, but to disagree with the Christian Church, which has accepted the Greek canon of the OT.

God bless you.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PS The Orthodox Church is not a Pharisaic cult. The Jews of the Talmud are today's Pharisees. Not the Eastern Churches.
You are mistaken to call the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15) a "cult". Beware what you say when you are mistaken. You don't seriously believe that every man has a right to interpret the Bible "for (by) himself", that is, any way (whatsoever) he wants (to)?

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Traditions of men which nullify God's word:

Dear Strangelove,

Martin Luther's traditions of men (of a man: of Martin Luther), which nullifies God's word:
Martin Luther's man-made tradition.

According to Martin Luther, Saint Paul says, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith alone without the deeds of the law". Romans 3:28, Luther's translation which has the word "alone". Cf. the KJV, which does not have the word "alone."
According to the King James Bible translators, Saint James 2:24 says, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only". James 2:24 KJV

Thus, in Luther's "Bible", James and Paul contradict each other, making Luther's god of two minds (double-minded; and "a double minded man is unstable in all his ways".). Luther's god is forged in Luther's own image of "solafideism" and "solascripturism".

Luther also tried to remove James, 2 Peter, Hebrews, and Revelation from the New Testament.

He also called some of the books of the Greek Old Testament "Apocrypha", and he took it upon himself to agree with the unbelieving Jews of the Council of Jamnia, but to disagree with the Christian Church, which has accepted the Greek canon of the OT.

Attacking Luther still doesnt stop EOC from being a cult bud.

PS The Orthodox Church is not a Pharisaic cult. The Jews of the Talmud are today's Pharisees. Not the Eastern Churches.
You are mistaken to call the "pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15) a "cult". Beware what you say when you are mistaken.

Prove it by addressing the points made in post #9 of this thread:

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

You don't seriously believe that every man has a right to interpret the Bible "for (by) himself", that is, any way (whatsoever) he wants (to)?

Yes I do seriosly believe it. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us.

(John 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Better than being guided by a bunch of cult leaders.

Pharisees.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Cult = Traditions of religious group nullify Gods Word.

Like eastern orthodox....as proved in this thread which Scotty has yet to rebutt.

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

Post #9 Scott. In yer own time. Point by point theres a good lad.

It would seem you did explain yourself. Not Like Scott said and you didn't.

funny, I have not seen Scott refute any of what you claimed. Maybe he thinks they are a cult to? He does not seem to defend them by responding to the accusations. He keeps wanting to go to Luther for some reason. Like we all get our doctrines from Luther. or even care what Luther did.

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Attacking Luther still doesnt stop EOC from being a cult bud.



Prove it by addressing the points made in post #9 of this thread:

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)



Yes I do seriosly believe it. We have the Holy Spirit to guide us.

(John 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Better than being guided by a bunch of cult leaders.

Pharisees.

Dear friend,
You do something similar to what Martin Luther did, though.
When asked why he had been adding and deleting words from the German translation of the Greek New Testament, Luther said: "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
ISTM, you are doing something like that with me.
You say: "Eastern Orthodoxy is a pharisaic cult."
You offer no more justification for your accusation, which, by the way, is indeed a false accusation, than to offer to me: "It is so because I, Strangelove, say it is so."
You ignore what I say about the Mishnah and the Talmud. You say Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as the Mishnah and the Talmud and Old Testament temple priests, which you refer to the holy men of the OT as a "temple cult". And you confuse the legitimate priests of the OT, such as Aaron, the brother of Moses, with the Pharisees whom Jesus rightly denounced. You offer words of judgment without proof. You simple label something as a cult, and offer no Biblical proof. You haven't shown that the Eastern Orthodox Church has written its own Mishnah and Talmud. You haven't compared the Talmud and the Mishnah with the writings of the Eastern Orthodox Church Fathers. I know the Church Fathers well enough, and the Mishnah and the Talmud well enough, to know they are world apart from each other, and their doctrines are diametrically opposed to each other. Ergo: your conclusion that Eastern Orthodox is a form of Pharisaic Judaism is completely false. QED. Your words "pharisaical cult" and "mushroom head" are without mercy and without justice. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Elizabeth619]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

IS this an e fight between Scott and Strangelove?
If so imma go make popcorn

 

[systemdown101]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

How many people have been following the FLDS story on HLN or TruTV? Between them and Scientology, those are two cults other cults look to and envy. I hope the Feds take them down, hard.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Dear friend,
You do something similar to what Martin Luther did, though.
When asked why he had been adding and deleting words from the German translation of the Greek New Testament, Luther said: "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
ISTM, you are doing something like that with me.
You say: "Eastern Orthodoxy is a pharisaic cult."
You offer no more justification for your accusation, which, by the way, is indeed a false accusation, than to offer to me: "It is so because I, Strangelove, say it is so."
You ignore what I say about the Mishnah and the Talmud. You say Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as the Mishnah and the Talmud and Old Testament temple priests, which you refer to the holy men of the OT as a "temple cult". And you confuse the legitimate priests of the OT, such as Aaron, the brother of Moses, with the Pharisees whom Jesus rightly denounced. You offer words of judgment without proof. You simple label something as a cult, and offer no Biblical proof. You haven't shown that the Eastern Orthodox Church has written its own Mishnah and Talmud. You haven't compared the Talmud and the Mishnah with the writings of the Eastern Orthodox Church Fathers. I know the Church Fathers well enough, and the Mishnah and the Talmud well enough, to know they are world apart from each other, and their doctrines are diametrically opposed to each other. Ergo: your conclusion that Eastern Orthodox is a form of Pharisaic Judaism is completely false. QED. Your words "pharisaical cult" and "mushroom head" are without mercy and without justice. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

I've brought all the proof forward in this thread:

LINK : Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (uhm...it is!)

We're discussing the issues. Well, in between your infantile cacophony of persecutions and false charges that are just a waste of time.

I've offered no eternal judgements on any individuals and plenty of proof that EO is a pharisaical cult. I dont need to show the EO has written its own talmud. Stop being immature Scott.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Is this just a thread for Scotty to whine about being persecuted?

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

IS this an e fight between Scott and Strangelove?
If so imma go make popcorn

i think thats what Scott wants so he can take the heat off the other thread where I'm questioning the EO cult.

Personally I'm not really interested.

 

[FSUBoy966]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

A cult is just a fringe religious group.
What people DON'T know is that many of the major religions of the world could at one time be considered a cult by modern definitions. Christianity as a whole, Islam, Buddhism, Wicca (kind of), Mormonism, Voodoo, Lutherans, Quakers (me ), ALL Protestant groups at one point or another.

As long as its a religion whose beliefs come out of another's, it can be considered a cult. Basically only tribal reliigons, Shintoism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, all of the pagan religions (Greek, Eyptian, etc) and TECHINCALLY Scientology can't be a cult, b/c there is no religion it has come out of.

So be careful when you use the word cult to bash someone. B/c at one point, if Jesus was first born from Mary NOW, he'd be called a cult leader. Same with Buddha and Muhammad and all other "newer" religions. (After Judaism and Hinduism)

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Cult = Traditions of religious group nullify Gods Word.

Like eastern orthodox....as proved in this thread which Scotty has yet to rebutt.

LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

Post #9 Scott. In yer own time. Point by point theres a good lad.

Strangelove, You say, "It is!", because you say that "it is". But you haven't proven that it is! You just make wild accusations, and you assume, with prejudice, that it is a temple cult; you also by implication are impugning the ministry of the Jews who believed in God in the Old Testament. They all obeyed God by offering animal sacrifices. Christ only let us know by His prophecy of the temple's destruction that these sacrifices of animals must stop once He had sacrificed Himself, offered Himself as THE only true sacrifice of God for the sins of the world, for the sins of mankind. God bless you.
In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

It would seem you did explain yourself. Not Like Scott said and you didn't.

funny, I have not seen Scott refute any of what you claimed. Maybe he thinks they are a cult to? He does not seem to defend them by responding to the accusations. He keeps wanting to go to Luther for some reason. Like we all get our doctrines from Luther. or even care what Luther did.

Dear friend
The accusations are false and in a way refute themselves. They are known to people who receive the wisdom from above to be false. People should know the Bible and Church history once they have reached the age of 40. As for Luther, many or most of your doctrines if you are a Protestant derive from Martin Luther. You don't just read Scripture for yourself devoid of all context; you read it in the context of Protestant (or, if you are a papist, Papist) history. And from Luther's perspective. Or one of the many Protestant, man-made denominations: 38,000 and increasing every day!
Dear eternallygratfull, What claim that strangelove made did I fail to refute. His whole argument is, "I say Eastern Orthodoxy is a cult; therefore, it is a cult!" Faulty logic: that is, illogical! False thinking!
God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

As long as its a religion whose beliefs come out of another's, it can be considered a cult. Basically only tribal reliigons, Shintoism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, all of the pagan religions (Greek, Eyptian, etc) and TECHINCALLY Scientology can't be a cult, b/c there is no religion it has come out of.

Judaism is a pagan cult it came from the mystery schools of babylon.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Strangelove, You say, "It is!", because you say that "it is". But you haven't proven that it is! You just make wild accusations, and you assume, with prejudice, that it is a temple cult;

who are you trying to kid. I've presented all the evidence necessary in that thread. You've barely attempted any kind of rebuttal.
LINK: Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (It is!)

you also by implication are impugning the ministry of the Jews who believed in God in the Old Testament. They all obeyed God by offering animal sacrifices. Christ only let us know by His prophecy of the temple's destruction that these sacrifices of animals must stop once He had sacrificed Himself, offered Himself as THE only true sacrifice of God for the sins of the world, for the sins of mankind. God bless you.
In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

Observe the harlot daughter defending the mother. Theres a good girl.

Judaism is not the religion of old testament Israel. As for the old covenant, Jesus tore down the whole lot...not just the sacrifices. But some cults want to go back to it coz it just feeeeels so good.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Dear friend
The accusations are false and in a way refute themselves. They are known to people who receive the wisdom from above to be false. People should know the Bible and Church history once they have reached the age of 40. As for Luther, many or most of your doctrines if you are a Protestant derive from Martin Luther. You don't just read Scripture for yourself devoid of all context; you read it in the context of Protestant (or, if you are a papist, Papist) history. And from Luther's perspective. Or one of the many Protestant, man-made denominations: 38,000 and increasing every day!
Dear eternallygratfull, What claim that strangelove made did I fail to refute. His whole argument is, "I say Eastern Orthodoxy is a cult; therefore, it is a cult!" Faulty logic: that is, illogical! False thinking!
God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

LOL!

Are you actually just trying to convince yourself that I havnt presented any evidence?

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

I've brought all the proof forward in this thread:

LINK : Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (uhm...it is!)

We're discussing the issues. Well, in between your infantile cacophony of persecutions and false charges that are just a waste of time.

I've offered no eternal judgements on any individuals and plenty of proof that EO is a pharisaical cult. I dont need to show the EO has written its own talmud. Stop being immature Scott.

Dear friend,
You use an ad hominem approach, which is an unacceptable, logical fallacy. You have nothing valid to say, so you label me "immature". You also label the EOC a "pharisaical cult". Your whole argument is that the EOC is a pharisaical cult because "Strangelove says so."
The pharisaical cult of Judaism did write its own talmud. If you are saying that the EOC is just like the pharisees of Judaism, who reject the Divinity of Jesus Christ, you have failed to show that the EOC is in any way like the writers of the Talmud. The unbelieving Jews of Judaism blaspheme against Christ.
You make false accusations, and that is sad.
And I have been totally fair to you. I didn't say things against you personally.
God bless you.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[zone]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

Dear friend,
You do something similar to what Martin Luther did, though.
When asked why he had been adding and deleting words from the German translation of the Greek New Testament, Luther said: "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
ISTM, you are doing something like that with me.
You say: "Eastern Orthodoxy is a pharisaic cult."
You offer no more justification for your accusation, which, by the way, is indeed a false accusation, than to offer to me: "It is so because I, Strangelove, say it is so."
You ignore what I say about the Mishnah and the Talmud. You say Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as the Mishnah and the Talmud and Old Testament temple priests, which you refer to the holy men of the OT as a "temple cult". And you confuse the legitimate priests of the OT, such as Aaron, the brother of Moses, with the Pharisees whom Jesus rightly denounced. You offer words of judgment without proof. You simple label something as a cult, and offer no Biblical proof. You haven't shown that the Eastern Orthodox Church has written its own Mishnah and Talmud. You haven't compared the Talmud and the Mishnah with the writings of the Eastern Orthodox Church Fathers. I know the Church Fathers well enough, and the Mishnah and the Talmud well enough, to know they are world apart from each other, and their doctrines are diametrically opposed to each other. Ergo: your conclusion that Eastern Orthodox is a form of Pharisaic Judaism is completely false. QED. Your words "pharisaical cult" and "mushroom head" are without mercy and without justice. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION BY WORKS - PHARISEES, ROME, EO.

 

[zone]

Re: "We should take time to explain ourselves" if we use the word "cult".

How many people have been following the FLDS story on HLN or TruTV? Between them and Scientology, those are two cults other cults look to and envy. I hope the Feds take them down, hard.

really?
then the FEDS should be able to come for your "cult" (not saying you belong to one, but that's what this always leads to)...in fact, it's already here.

FREEDOM OF RELIGION FOR ALL, provided they are not breaking the Laws of the Land (which those two do...but prosecute them on those grounds...not because the crowd cheers for it since its another religion).

the US and the west in general has taken the ISLAMOPHOBIA bait hook line and sinker.

zone.