Lust of the flesh, Lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of Life.

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Deadflesh

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Genesis 3:6-7
"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food(lust of the flesh), that it was pleasant to the eyes(lust of the eyes), and a tree desirable to make one wise(Boastfull pride of Life), she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.


Matthew 4: 1-11
"Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If you be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread(Lust of the Flesh).

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.


Then the devil takes him up into the holy city, and sets him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And said to him, If you be the Son of God(Boastful Pride of Life), cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: and in their hands they shall bear you up, lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.

Jesus said to him, It is written again, You shall not tempt the Lord your God.
Again, the devil takes him up into an exceeding high mountain, and shows him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them(Lust of the eyes); And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall down and worship me.

Then said Jesus to him, Get you hence, Satan: for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve. Then the devil leaves him, and, behold, angels came and ministered to him.


1 John 2: 15-17
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God stays for ever.


:) Jesus Bless you.
 
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Abiding

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todays version: prosperity gospel, done deal, finally.
Prosperity gospel morphs into NAR/mystics
 
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Deadflesh said:
Genesis 3:6-7
"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food(lust of the flesh), that it was pleasant to the eyes(lust of the eyes), and a tree desirable to make one wise(Boastfull pride of Life), she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.


Matthew 4: 1-11
"Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If you be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread(Lust of the Flesh).

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.


Then the devil takes him up into the holy city, and sets him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And said to him, If you be the Son of God(Boastful Pride of Life), cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: and in their hands they shall bear you up, lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.

Jesus said to him, It is written again, You shall not tempt the Lord your God.
Again, the devil takes him up into an exceeding high mountain, and shows him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them(Lust of the eyes); And said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will fall down and worship me.

Then said Jesus to him, Get you hence, Satan: for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve. Then the devil leaves him, and, behold, angels came and ministered to him.


1 John 2: 15-17
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God stays for ever.


:) Jesus Bless you.
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hi DF
i see what you mean but those were not the reasons for The Temptation.
not sure why you chose that passage to discuss Re: Lust of the flesh, Lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of Life.

surely a need to eat bread after 40 days isnt consider lust of the flesh? no....that Temptation was prompted by the hunger, but the Temptation was to deny the power and authority of the words of God (the first Adam failed).
 
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hi DF
i see what you mean but those were not the reasons for The Temptation.
not sure why you chose that passage to discuss Re: Lust of the flesh, Lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of Life.

surely a need to eat bread after 40 days isnt consider lust of the flesh? no....that Temptation was prompted by the hunger, but the Temptation was to deny the power and authority of the words of God (the first Adam failed).
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Not true. Satan will ALWAYS Tempt us with, Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of life. that is how he gets us to think about SELF. And SELF/carnal mind is GODS enemy.

that IS what he attacked Jesus with(firery darts) and that is what he attacked Eve/Adam with. And its what he attacks US with on a daily basis.

It IS a lust of the flesh for JESUS. Satan wouldnt Tempt YOU with turning rocks into bread, because you cant. Jesus could have. He was hungry, so it was a temptation. It would not have been temptation if Jesus was NOT hungry, but the SPIRIT led him to FAST in the Wilderness. Jesus USED Gods words(sword of the spirit) to attack BACK at Satan, who had just sent a firey dart at him(temptation) Jesus never had to Study Gods word because he IS Gods word...but thats a different topic. No Satan most defiantely came at HIM(becasue he was human) with the SAME tricks. its always the same tricks, its just that it was on a higher level For Jesus then it was for Adam/Eve. ALL temptation is to sin, and SIN is rebellion against Gods word. So thats a given. But Jesus did NOT do HIS will. And it was his fathers Will that he Go into the wilderness and FAST for 40 days. The Spirit led him to be tempted, just like GOD leads us through the spirit to be tempted today. Again Jesus did the PERFECT will of GOD. and iti s GODS will that we NOT give into the Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, adn the boastfull pride of Life. JESUS showed us how to not give in, in faith(sheidl of faith) attack with the WORD. That IS implanted in our hearts, and that we continuously wash(refresh/read) in.
 
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Deadflesh said:
Not true. Satan will ALWAYS Tempt us with, Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of life. that is how he gets us to think about SELF. And SELF/carnal mind is GODS enemy.

that IS what he attacked Jesus with(firery darts) and that is what he attacked Eve/Adam with. And its what he attacks US with on a daily basis.

It IS a lust of the flesh for JESUS. Satan wouldnt Tempt YOU with turning rocks into bread, because you cant. Jesus could have. He was hungry, so it was a temptation. It would not have been temptation if Jesus was NOT hungry, but the SPIRIT led him to FAST in the Wilderness. Jesus USED Gods words(sword of the spirit) to attack BACK at Satan, who had just sent a firey dart at him(temptation) Jesus never had to Study Gods word because he IS Gods word...but thats a different topic. No Satan most defiantely came at HIM(becasue he was human) with the SAME tricks. its always the same tricks, its just that it was on a higher level For Jesus then it was for Adam/Eve. ALL temptation is to sin, and SIN is rebellion against Gods word. So thats a given. But Jesus did NOT do HIS will. And it was his fathers Will that he Go into the wilderness and FAST for 40 days. The Spirit led him to be tempted, just like GOD leads us through the spirit to be tempted today. Again Jesus did the PERFECT will of GOD. and iti s GODS will that we NOT give into the Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, adn the boastfull pride of Life. JESUS showed us how to not give in, in faith(sheidl of faith) attack with the WORD. That IS implanted in our hearts, and that we continuously wash(refresh/read) in.
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that's all i meant to say bro.
the real attack is on the word (commands) we should already know, be turning to, armed with, fed on.

no big debate from me.
my point was eating isn't a sin...denying God's given commandments to make an end run around something we know is wrong is
 
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Oh i missed this (the first adam failed) yes. he did, and the "Second Adam" succeded. He DENIED his own will. The temptations that Satan comes at with us, wont be somethign that SOMEONE ELSE would be tempted by...it would be what WE are tempted by. Jesus was tempted by turnign the rocs into bread. That was HIS carnal Will, Jesus wouldnt have been tempted to, lets say, curse Father GOD(like Jobs wife tempted Job with) No That would not have been a temptation for Jesus at that time. SO you see, Scripture has MANY purposes. Jesus WAS hungry, his FLESH was hungry...but he was STILL fasting, becasue his FATHER told him to. So to EAT would be a sin.
 
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hahah im not saying eating is a sin in and of itself. haha...though...for some maybe...hahaha
 
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Im sure Jesus studied, I think turning a stone into to bread was more than just disobedience, it would
have disqualified Him as being our kinsman redeemer. He lived as a man 100% like we do. He was
empowered by the Spirit according to the will of the Father, just like we can be. And sometimes
ministered to by angels.
 
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zone said:
that's all i meant to say bro.
the real attack is on the word (commands) we should already know, be turning to, armed with, fed on.

no big debate from me.
my point was eating isn't a sin...denying God's given commandments to make an end run around something we know is wrong is
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And then there's here bow to me and I'll give you what ever you want. It was a temptation to the flesh. Will you sell your soul for a piece of food or not. What will you sell your soul for??
 
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Abiding said:
Im sure Jesus studied, I think turning a stone into to bread was more than just disobedience, it would
have disqualified Him as being our kinsman redeemer. He lived as a man 100% like we do. He was
empowered by the Spirit according to the will of the Father, just like we can be. And sometimes
ministered to by angels.
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Nah, Jesus didnt have to studdy He IS the WORD.

John 7:14-15
"Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?”
Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

Jesus didn't Studdy.

it all came FROM his Father through the Holy Spirit(and we have the same annointing so say the Scriptures)

And YES it would have dissqualified him as Saviour, completely. Becasue the SAVIOUR needed to have been SPOTLESS. And if he dissobeyed his fathers Will, Which was for HIM to fast, Then that would have made him Blemished. So I agree, with what you just, but it doesnt still void the Lust of the Flesh temptation for JESUS.
 
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Agreed on the temptation, not so much on the "He was the Word" part.
Of coarse He was, but not as a kinsman. He wouldnt have qualified.
Luke 1 and 2 tell of His childhood. He was raised, He grew, matured
both in Spirit and wisdom. Sure the Spirit led His life. But it was not
as God, but as the son of man.
 
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John 7:15 implies Jesus didnt get His training in a rabbinacal school
acts 4:13
 
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He grew in wisdom being taught by the SPIRIT of Wisdom.

Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

46-47

And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Spirit OF wisdom(isaiah 11:2) rested on him. HE ministered to Him.

Im not saying Jesus lived as GOD. he didnt. He lived 100% as man. But he DID NOT need to be taught becasue of the SPIRIT that was on/in Him that GREW in him.
 
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Hmmm...right im not saying He didnt have the Spirit as His guide, but He grew in wisdom...grew. He knew the scriptures, He read out
of them. He knew which ones He fulfilled. He discussed with the rabbis out of them. He showed the disciples how it spoke of Him. I dont
think He was just zapped with wisdom. But thats just how i see it. We are to walk as He walked. Seems theres alot of details in scripture
that point to His discipline. Tells mom as if He had a habit...didnt you know id be about my Fathers business. Thats the amazing thing to me.
He was the second Adam, mans kinsman redeemer. He couldnt have had all our temptations as we do if He was onmivient.
 
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Abiding said:
Hmmm...right im not saying He didnt have the Spirit as His guide, but He grew in wisdom...grew. He knew the scriptures, He read out
of them. He knew which ones He fulfilled. He discussed with the rabbis out of them. He showed the disciples how it spoke of Him. I dont
think He was just zapped with wisdom. But thats just how i see it. We are to walk as He walked. Seems theres alot of details in scripture
that point to His discipline. Tells mom as if He had a habit...didnt you know id be about my Fathers business. Thats the amazing thing to me.
He was the second Adam, mans kinsman redeemer. He couldnt have had all our temptations as we do if He was onmivient.
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You mean omniscient? or Omnivorus? ...haha ok sorry.

"Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said to them, Do you inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and you shall not see me: and again, a little while, and you shall see me" John 16:19

Theres a few more instances where it says that He knew, and he KNEW Because the Spirit told him. It was the SPIRIT that gave him the Wisdom and understanding. He grew in wisdom becasue wisdom comes from GOD. He didnt grow in MANS wisdom.

Jesus Read out of the scrolls yes, actually right after the temptation in the wilderness, it says he went to the temple and read isaiah. He TAUGHT people from the scrolls, if he just waltzed into the synagauge and didnt read they would not have listend(nor have been amazed) and i didnt say he never read them, IT was HIS CUSTOM to read from them. I said he never had to studdy, memorize, he neednt LEARN because his FATHER was teaching him(through the Spirit) anyway, haha this is WAY of the subject of
"lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boastfull pride of life"

I just really thought it was kinda cool to see that same underlying theme in both circumstances. I wonder if there is any more.
 
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