Why No Women Are To Be Speaking In Church

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Baruch

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Ephesians 4: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

1 Timothy 2: 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

There is no doubt as to why men should lead in the assembly:

Ephesians 5: 22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

1 Corinthians 11: 2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. 17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

Concerning women speaking in tongues: Why would the Lord manifest tongues in women speaking in the assembly if the Lord has given the commandment for women to be silent in the assembly? Is the Lord a hypocrit? No. but I would exhoirt you to discern the tongues and the means by which you supposedly received them... by another "baptism of the Holy Spirit"? ... by an anointing that you believe is different from the baptism of the Spirit at salvation?

1 John 2:24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

It is unrighteous for a woman to speak in tongues and to teach in the assembly.

1 Corinthians 14:32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Verse 36 above declares how the Word of God must first come to man.

Does any man wishes to be ignorant of the order set by God? How difficult it would be to discern false teaching?

As women are led by the Lord to prophesy or to preach in the mission field, I would exhort the men led by the Spirit of God to be careful and discern all teachings from any woman so as to not be led nor influenced by them. If you are not sure about something or if it is a teaching that is being explored, then why teach it as if it is so? Those led by the Spirit of Truth will not cast out seeds of doubts and uncertainity caused by the scriptures if the same scriptures reproves those teachings as false.

Let us not be carried away into fables nor puff ourselves up in pride and vainglorying over "special hidden knowledge" that does not arm ourselves against any wiles of the devil nor cause us to be edified in the knowledge of Him so that our love may abound yet more and more.

Let no one exalt having secret knowledge over another by belittling them as some would do for having the gift of tongue which comes without interpretation over those that do not, for then, it may not be of the Lord. Watch yourselves in all things, leaning on Jesus and trusting Him to be your Good Shepherd for He will lead as promised.
 
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yeh and lets bring back slavery too! That's also in the bible.. :)
 

grace

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yeh and lets bring back slavery too! That's also in the bible.. :)

Miah.....haha...welcome back my friend. I have missed ya!
 
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I agree I have heard terrible things come out of the mouths of so-called women "preachers", particularly the tongue-speaking ones, terrible things straight from the pit of hell. Like.. believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength...forgive one another, do unto others as you would have them do unto you...

I do hope churches remove these false and satanic evil jezebel spirit witchery-doo paganistic tongue-babblers of the feminine variety, they are certainly not from God with false teaching like that.
 

Kakashi

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Women defiantly shouldn't "usurp" power from the man. What if a man wants a woman to say som,ething to the crowd/ perhaps she has a bit of wisdom in a certain area? if the man gives the woman authority to do so, isn't that ok? I think we see that happen a lot and with good common sense cand be beneficial to the body of Christ.

is it possible that the women back then were to remain silent because the men had more knowledge of the Word and the women were trying to yammer on about things they knew nothing of and abusing their new freedom in Christ and should just wait till they get home to ask their husbands? Yes, you could say that women are like that now, but heck there are just as many guys to match'em.
 
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I do not mean to be rude or anything but from the short time I have been on CC I have noticed a lot of threads just about this topic. It's tiring to see. Please can you guys debate in one thread instead of constantly creating new ones? Again I do not mean to be rude, and I am sorry if I offended anyone
 
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Peace be to you
You are correct;Woman are not suppose to speak in church.They are suppose to prepare for there husband.Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.


I have sault wisdom and with all its getting ,
I have gotten understanding

Love a friend in God
 
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ashieldoffaith

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Many don't realize the fact that Paul questioned the teaching of the Corinthians...

He asked them "Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?" 1 Corinthians 14:36

It is a question... not a statement.

There is neither male or female in Christ we are all one... Galatians 3:28

The reality is that people will see as man will see until they can get out of the box they hold themselves in. Do not look at what is on the outisde, but look at what is on the inside and you will understand.
 
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Raeshelle

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WEll come on while we are at it .. Let make the women sit on the oppisite side of the church then the woman and make the women sit in another room in the house when company comes over.. I meanshe shouldn't be seen or heard.. This get so old..
 
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Baruch

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Women are allowed to be missionaries as stated three paragraphs up from the bottom of the OP. An example of this from the New Tstament is Priscilla and Aquila as they operated from their homes and minister abroad.

The question from 1 Corinthians 14:36 is directed towards the women that would defy the commandment of the Lord as being confirmed as such in verse 37.

A christian forum is an outreach, serving as a crossroad for believers and non-believers alike for the sharing of the Word. We are not like-minded enough to be considered an assembly.

If an assembly wishes to be known as being submissive to Christ, then the men shall be led by Christ to lead and to teach.
 
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What's always puzzled me though, is that in denominations which forbid female priests , the male priests are the ones wearing the dresses.

 

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1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Why does the word say there is neither male of female in heaven, nor are we given in marriage.
I'll be glad to get to heaven where you can be you, and I can be me!
Free to be what God intended us to be!
God is not a God that He shows favorites is He?

You must believe in Jesus and Love!
It is not all about church,
It's about Jesus and Love!

This is taught in the Bible colleges to be because the women lacked the proper education as young men were taught how to read the scriptures as children passed down from their Fathers, it was a costom!


 
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ashieldoffaith

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What more was there to do for My vineyard that I have not done in it? Why, when I expected it to produce good grapes did it produce worthless ones? Isaiah 5:4

Some will only see man's way and not God's way. How many would recognize the Lord when He returns, if they are not williing to open their hearts to see outside the box.

There are some good people in this forum, you know who you are. I ask the Lord to bless you abundantly for the work you do. For the others.. I will keep you in prayer.
 
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pogrud

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How does Galatians, chapter 3, verse 28 sit with that?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I guess we better observe this too (Corinthians, chapter 11:5)

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
 
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I think we should tape womens mouths shut in general........ maybe we shouldnt be allowed to speak AT ALL........... ever thought about THAT.......
 

daddycat

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I think we should tape womens mouths shut in general........ maybe we shouldnt be allowed to speak AT ALL........... ever thought about THAT.......
many times ;)
 
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Slepsog4

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Miah45... what is your point about slavery? Not everything in the Bible is necessarily endorsed or encouraged.

You might want to actually study what the Bible says about slavery. Sometimes it served as a privatized prison system.

God always required proper care and concern for all people, even slaves.
 
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missy2shoes

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man I love daddycat's avatar.....dats one moody cat :p
 
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