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Barna Update


Most American Christians Do Not Believe that Satan or the Holy Spirit Exist
April 10, 2009

A new nationwide survey of adults’ spiritual beliefs, conducted by The Barna Group, suggests that Americans who consider themselves to be Christian have a diverse set of beliefs – but many of those beliefs are contradictory or, at least, inconsistent. The survey explored beliefs about spiritual beings, the influence of faith on their life, views of the Bible, and reactions to faiths other than their own.

Views on Spiritual Beings

The Barna survey asked questions about God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Satan, and demons.
All 1,871 self-described Christians were asked about their perception of God. In total, three-quarters (78%) said he is the “all-powerful, all-knowing Creator of the universe who rules the world today.” The remaining one-quarter chose other descriptions of God – depictions that are not consistent with biblical teaching (e.g., everyone is god, god refers to the realization of human potential, etc.).
For the other survey items a four-point opinion scale was used to measure people’s reactions to statements about each spiritual entity.
Four out of ten Christians (40%) strongly agreed that Satan “is not a living being but is a symbol of evil.” An additional two out of ten Christians (19%) said they “agree somewhat” with that perspective. A minority of Christians indicated that they believe Satan is real by disagreeing with the statement: one-quarter (26%) disagreed strongly and about one-tenth (9%) disagreed somewhat. The remaining 8% were not sure what they believe about the existence of Satan.
Although a core teaching of the Christian faith is the divinity and perfection of Jesus Christ, tens of millions of Christians do not accept that teaching. More than one-fifth (22%) strongly agreed that Jesus Christ sinned when He lived on earth, with an additional 17% agreeing somewhat. Holding the opposing view were 9% who disagreed somewhat and 46% who disagreed strongly. Six percent did not have an opinion on this matter.
Much like their perceptions of Satan, most Christians do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a living force, either. Overall, 38% strongly agreed and 20% agreed somewhat that the Holy Spirit is “a symbol of God’s power or presence but is not a living entity.” Just one-third of Christians disagreed that the Holy Spirit is not a living force (9% disagreed somewhat, 25% disagreed strongly) while 9% were not sure.
A majority of Christians believe that a person can be under the influence of spiritual forces, such as demons or evil spirits. Two out of three Christians agreed that such influence is real (39% agreed strongly, 25% agreed somewhat), while just three out of ten rejected the influence of supernatural forces (18% disagreed strongly, 10% disagreed somewhat). The remaining 8% were undecided on this matter.

Influence of Faith
Most self-described Christians contend that their religious faith has significantly impacted their life. Almost six out of ten adults (59%) said their faith had “greatly transformed” their life, while 29% said their faith “has been helpful but has not greatly transformed” their life and 9% stated that their religious faith “has not made much of a difference” in who they are and how they live.
Christians were asked if they believed that a person must either side with God or with the devil – that there is no in-between position. A large majority strongly agreed with the notion (61%) while an additional 15% agreed somewhat. Just one out of ten adults disagreed somewhat (10%) and a similar proportion (11%) disagreed strongly. Surprisingly few adults (3%) did not have an opinion on this matter.
A large majority of Christians also proclaimed that the most important purpose in their life is to “love God with all their heart, mind, strength and soul,” a notion drawn directly from the Bible (Mark 12:29-30). In total, three out of four self-described Christians (74%) strongly affirmed that idea, while 15% more agreed somewhat with the statement. Just 4% strongly disagreed and 7% somewhat disagreed with the statement. Three percent said they were not sure.

Thoughts on Other Faiths
Among self-identified Christians, few held a positive opinion of Wicca. Overall, just 5% had a positive opinion while 55% had a negative opinion of Wicca. However, a huge segment (40%) did not know enough about Wicca to have formed an opinion of it, despite it being described to them as “an organized form of witchcraft.”
Survey respondents were asked whether they believed that Mormons are Christians. Mormons themselves claim to be Christian, but most evangelical leaders say that they are not. There was no clear-cut perspective among the self-described Christians: four out of ten felt Mormons were Christian (18% strongly agreed, 21% somewhat agreed), three out of ten disagreed (17% strongly, 12% somewhat), and three out of ten were not sure what to think.
When asked whether it was important to them to have “active, healthy relationships with people who belong to religious faiths that do not accept the central beliefs of your faith,” about two-thirds of the self-professed Christians claimed it was important. Thirty-six percent agreed strongly with the notion, and 29% agreed somewhat, while 11% disagreed strongly and 16% disagreed somewhat. The other 8% did not have an opinion.

Views on the Bible
A slight majority of Christians (55%) strongly agree that the Bible is accurate in all of the principles it teaches, with another 18% agreeing somewhat. About one out of five either disagree strongly (9%) or somewhat (13%) with this statement, and 5% aren’t sure what to believe.
There is no similar clarity among self-defined Christians regarding how the Bible compares to other holy books. When faced with the statement that “the Bible, the Koran and the Book of Mormon are all different expressions of the same spiritual truths,” the group was evenly split between those who accepted the idea (19% agreed strongly, 22% agreed somewhat) and those who rejected it (28% disagreed strongly, 12% disagreed somewhat), while leaving a sizeable portion (20%) undecided.

Inconsistencies Noted
The study also identified a number of instances in which people’s beliefs seemed inconsistent. Among those were the following:

  • About half (47%) of the Christians who believed that Satan is merely a symbol of evil nevertheless agreed that a person can be under the influence of spiritual forces such as demons.

  • About half (49%) of those who agreed that the Holy Spirit is only a symbol but not a living entity also agreed that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches, even though the Bible clearly describes the Holy Spirit as more than a symbolic reference to God’s power or presence.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Kinda like in Noway I guess, half the "christians" I meet don''t even believe in Jesus !
 

Katy-follower

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1 Timothy 4:1: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons"
 
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Scotth1960

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The West does not believe in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is absent from the West, from Western Christianity, because of the Filioque heresy of the non-Orthodox West; and in the non-Orthodox West they don't believe in the existence of Satan, because it is Satan who inspires their Catholic and Protestant and Oriental Orthodox heresies. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

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Barna Update


Most American Christians Do Not Believe that Satan or the Holy Spirit Exist
April 10, 2009

A new nationwide survey of adults’ spiritual beliefs, conducted by The Barna Group, suggests that Americans who consider themselves to be Christian have a diverse set of beliefs – but many of those beliefs are contradictory or, at least, inconsistent. The survey explored beliefs about spiritual beings, the influence of faith on their life, views of the Bible, and reactions to faiths other than their own.

Views on Spiritual Beings

The Barna survey asked questions about God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Satan, and demons.
All 1,871 self-described Christians were asked about their perception of God. In total, three-quarters (78%) said he is the “all-powerful, all-knowing Creator of the universe who rules the world today.” The remaining one-quarter chose other descriptions of God – depictions that are not consistent with biblical teaching (e.g., everyone is god, god refers to the realization of human potential, etc.).
For the other survey items a four-point opinion scale was used to measure people’s reactions to statements about each spiritual entity.
Four out of ten Christians (40%) strongly agreed that Satan “is not a living being but is a symbol of evil.” An additional two out of ten Christians (19%) said they “agree somewhat” with that perspective. A minority of Christians indicated that they believe Satan is real by disagreeing with the statement: one-quarter (26%) disagreed strongly and about one-tenth (9%) disagreed somewhat. The remaining 8% were not sure what they believe about the existence of Satan.
Although a core teaching of the Christian faith is the divinity and perfection of Jesus Christ, tens of millions of Christians do not accept that teaching. More than one-fifth (22%) strongly agreed that Jesus Christ sinned when He lived on earth, with an additional 17% agreeing somewhat. Holding the opposing view were 9% who disagreed somewhat and 46% who disagreed strongly. Six percent did not have an opinion on this matter.
Much like their perceptions of Satan, most Christians do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a living force, either. Overall, 38% strongly agreed and 20% agreed somewhat that the Holy Spirit is “a symbol of God’s power or presence but is not a living entity.” Just one-third of Christians disagreed that the Holy Spirit is not a living force (9% disagreed somewhat, 25% disagreed strongly) while 9% were not sure.
A majority of Christians believe that a person can be under the influence of spiritual forces, such as demons or evil spirits. Two out of three Christians agreed that such influence is real (39% agreed strongly, 25% agreed somewhat), while just three out of ten rejected the influence of supernatural forces (18% disagreed strongly, 10% disagreed somewhat). The remaining 8% were undecided on this matter.

Influence of Faith
Most self-described Christians contend that their religious faith has significantly impacted their life. Almost six out of ten adults (59%) said their faith had “greatly transformed” their life, while 29% said their faith “has been helpful but has not greatly transformed” their life and 9% stated that their religious faith “has not made much of a difference” in who they are and how they live.
Christians were asked if they believed that a person must either side with God or with the devil – that there is no in-between position. A large majority strongly agreed with the notion (61%) while an additional 15% agreed somewhat. Just one out of ten adults disagreed somewhat (10%) and a similar proportion (11%) disagreed strongly. Surprisingly few adults (3%) did not have an opinion on this matter.
A large majority of Christians also proclaimed that the most important purpose in their life is to “love God with all their heart, mind, strength and soul,” a notion drawn directly from the Bible (Mark 12:29-30). In total, three out of four self-described Christians (74%) strongly affirmed that idea, while 15% more agreed somewhat with the statement. Just 4% strongly disagreed and 7% somewhat disagreed with the statement. Three percent said they were not sure.

Thoughts on Other Faiths
Among self-identified Christians, few held a positive opinion of Wicca. Overall, just 5% had a positive opinion while 55% had a negative opinion of Wicca. However, a huge segment (40%) did not know enough about Wicca to have formed an opinion of it, despite it being described to them as “an organized form of witchcraft.”
Survey respondents were asked whether they believed that Mormons are Christians. Mormons themselves claim to be Christian, but most evangelical leaders say that they are not. There was no clear-cut perspective among the self-described Christians: four out of ten felt Mormons were Christian (18% strongly agreed, 21% somewhat agreed), three out of ten disagreed (17% strongly, 12% somewhat), and three out of ten were not sure what to think.
When asked whether it was important to them to have “active, healthy relationships with people who belong to religious faiths that do not accept the central beliefs of your faith,” about two-thirds of the self-professed Christians claimed it was important. Thirty-six percent agreed strongly with the notion, and 29% agreed somewhat, while 11% disagreed strongly and 16% disagreed somewhat. The other 8% did not have an opinion.

Views on the Bible
A slight majority of Christians (55%) strongly agree that the Bible is accurate in all of the principles it teaches, with another 18% agreeing somewhat. About one out of five either disagree strongly (9%) or somewhat (13%) with this statement, and 5% aren’t sure what to believe.
There is no similar clarity among self-defined Christians regarding how the Bible compares to other holy books. When faced with the statement that “the Bible, the Koran and the Book of Mormon are all different expressions of the same spiritual truths,” the group was evenly split between those who accepted the idea (19% agreed strongly, 22% agreed somewhat) and those who rejected it (28% disagreed strongly, 12% disagreed somewhat), while leaving a sizeable portion (20%) undecided.

Inconsistencies Noted
The study also identified a number of instances in which people’s beliefs seemed inconsistent. Among those were the following:

  • About half (47%) of the Christians who believed that Satan is merely a symbol of evil nevertheless agreed that a person can be under the influence of spiritual forces such as demons.

  • About half (49%) of those who agreed that the Holy Spirit is only a symbol but not a living entity also agreed that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches, even though the Bible clearly describes the Holy Spirit as more than a symbolic reference to God’s power or presence.
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phil36

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Hi Loveschild,

It is sad to see people misled. However, we know that the devil is a deciever, and one of the biggest deceptions is to make people believe that he does not exist, Therefore, Human behaviour is just culturally moulded. And we know that people are spiritual dead to the things of God (Rom 1:18-32, Eph 2:1-10)

May we all pray more and witness the love of Christ more to a dying world.
 

Katy-follower

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The West does not believe in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is absent from the West, from Western Christianity, because of the Filioque heresy of the non-Orthodox West; and in the non-Orthodox West they don't believe in the existence of Satan, because it is Satan who inspires their Catholic and Protestant and Oriental Orthodox heresies. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Be very careful with what you say there about us born again Christians being inspired by Satan - do you realize what you're saying?!

Scott - God did not come to give us religion.

Matthew 7:15-17: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit"


Religion is religion, created by man, consisting of false doctrines.

Those of us who walk in the Spirit are not bound by the law/the flesh. Do you not see? The God of the bible is not the same God that all these religions worship. I have a personal relationship with God, not with a religion. I have the Holy Spirit in me.

It's a supernatural experience, not a religious experience.
 
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Scotth1960

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[quote=Katy-follower;578855]Be very careful with what you say

there about us born again Christians being inspired by Satan -

do you realize what you're saying?!

Scott - God did not come to give us religion.


Matthew 7:15-17: "Beware of false prophets, who come

to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are

ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do

men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from

thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a

bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad

fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit"


Religion is religion, created by man, consisting of false doctrines.



Dear Katy:

False doctrines of western Christianity
religions of men: Catholic and Protestant

original sin as original guilt

double predestination Calvinism

double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and Son

Filioque Filioquism semi-Sabellianism

Neo-Nestorianism

Neo-Arianism

Armageddon theology

premillennialism chiliasm Zionism

dispensationalism

pre tribulation rapture

Unitarianism

Adventism


antinomianism

legalism

Sabbatarianism

sectarianism

sola fideism salvation by faith alone in contradiction to

Galatians 5:6, Eph. 2:8-10 and James chapter 2.

sola Scriptura Christian authority by the Bible alone

private interpretation of the Scripture (Papist and Protestant)

communion in one kind unleavened wafers/bread

mandatory clerical celibacy

immaculate conception of virgin Mary

salvation by indulgences for money to the pope

the existence of purgatory

mortal versus venial sins

religious individualism

rationalism

scholasticism

decisional regenerationism being born again without water

baptism by trine immersion in the name of the Trinity

Jesus as one's own property: personal Lord and Saviour

blessed assurance of salvation: Jesus as personal property

"Blessed assurance: Jesus is mine ..."

fatalism (Calvinism)

baptism by sprinkling, pouring

racism Civil War

secular humanism/atheism

polytheism Mormonism

binitarianism (ditheism)/ Armstrongism

Sacred Name heresy

Communism

Nazism

Croatian Ustashe

Inquisition

Crusades

Thirty Years War

rejection of the Orthodox Church and Faith

endless schisms 38,000 Protestant denominations and counting

and who knows how many other unknown or known heresies

and errors


Those of us who walk in the Spirit are not bound by the

law/the flesh. Do you not see? The God of the bible is not the

same God that all these religions worship. I have a personal


Eastern Orthodoxy is more than a religion. It's an experience of

God through sacraments and liturgy.

Eastern Orthodoxy worships the God of the Bible.

relationship with God, not with a religion. I have the Holy Spirit

in me.

We are not called to "have" the Holy Spirit, or to "possess us".

Dear Katy

God is the only Owner. We don't work our own

salvation (Pelagianism). God's grace must come first

(prevenient) before we can be saved. God calls us to

believe. We choose to believe by our own free will, with

God's help.

Scott


It's a supernatural experience, not a religious

experience.


Katy

There is nothing wrong with the word religion.

See the book of James. There is nothing wrong with the word

tradition. See 2 Thess 2:15, 3:6 God bless you always.

Scott

 
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Scotth1960

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[quote=Katy-follower;578855]Be very careful with what you say

there about us born again Christians being inspired by Satan -

do you realize what you're saying?!

Scott - God did not come to give us religion.


Matthew 7:15-17: "Beware of false prophets, who come

to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are

ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do

men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from

thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a

bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad

fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit"


Religion is religion, created by man, consisting of false doctrines.



Dear Katy:

False doctrines of western Christianity
religions of men: Catholic and Protestant

original sin as original guilt

double predestination Calvinism

double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and Son

Filioque Filioquism semi-Sabellianism

Neo-Nestorianism

Protestant Antidicomarianite heresy that the Virgin Mary is not Ever-Virgin

Catholic Collyridian heresy of the deity (Mariolatry) of the Virgin

Mary


Neo-Arianism

Armageddon theology

premillennialism chiliasm Zionism

dispensationalism

pre tribulation rapture

Unitarianism

Adventism


antinomianism

legalism

Sabbatarianism

sectarianism

sola fideism salvation by faith alone in contradiction to

Galatians 5:6, Eph. 2:8-10 and James chapter 2.

sola Scriptura Christian authority by the Bible alone

private interpretation of the Scripture (Papist and Protestant)

communion in one kind unleavened wafers/bread

mandatory clerical celibacy

immaculate conception of virgin Mary

salvation by indulgences for money to the pope

the existence of purgatory

mortal versus venial sins

religious individualism

rationalism

scholasticism

decisional regenerationism being born again without water

baptism by trine immersion in the name of the Trinity

Jesus as one's own property: personal Lord and Saviour

blessed assurance of salvation: Jesus as personal property

"Blessed assurance: Jesus is mine ..."

fatalism (Calvinism)

baptism by sprinkling, pouring

racism Civil War

secular humanism/atheism

polytheism Mormonism

binitarianism (ditheism)/ Armstrongism

Sacred Name heresy

Communism

Nazism

Croatian Ustashe

Inquisition

Crusades

Thirty Years War

rejection of the Orthodox Church and Faith

endless schisms 38,000 Protestant denominations and counting

and who knows how many other unknown or known heresies

and errors


Those of us who walk in the Spirit are not bound by the

law/the flesh. Do you not see? The God of the bible is not the

same God that all these religions worship. I have a personal


Eastern Orthodoxy is more than a religion. It's an experience of

God through sacraments and liturgy.

Eastern Orthodoxy worships the God of the Bible.

relationship with God, not with a religion. I have the Holy Spirit

in me.

We are not called to "have" the Holy Spirit, or to "possess us".

Dear Katy

God is the only Owner. We don't work our own

salvation (Pelagianism). God's grace must come first

(prevenient) before we can be saved. God calls us to

believe. We choose to believe by our own free will, with

God's help.

Scott


It's a supernatural experience, not a religious

experience.


Katy

There is nothing wrong with the word religion.

See the book of James. There is nothing wrong with the word

tradition. See 2 Thess 2:15, 3:6 God bless you always.

Scott