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Ummm... I just exegeted dexios for a clear understanding rather than its presumed superimposed meaning that ascribes a literal bodily form to the Father as Spirit.
"Persons" is an absolutely defining creedal term, and is not available for exegesis from scripture since it isn't scriptural. If it were, and if it were symbolic in its rendering, it would be appropriate to refer to as symbolic. It wasn't ME who determined by opinion that "right hand" is not a location. It's the Greek language and its usage by inspiration of the Spirit through human authorship.
Not really, but proceed as you will.
The only divisionary nonsense is extra-biblically dividing the One true and living God into three "persons". The only dividing (asunder) should be the Logos of God's Soul (the Father) and Spirit (the Holy Spirit). IF God were a "person", He would be one not three. It is a substantial difference, and Trinitarians have anathematized and even historically have exiled and put to death those who decried that God was specifically three "persons" of a Trinity.
I haven't branded you (or anyone) as an idolator (nor has anyone else).
Trinity IS a specific theological term with a specific definition of doctrine. If one believes the Orthodox formulation of God as three "persons" ultimately defined by Tertullian's "trinitas" term, they are Trinitarian. If one doesn't ascribe to the assertion that God is three "persons", they are not Trinitarian. It's a simple matter of language etymology and doctrinal affiliation. Trinity isn't a general descriptive term used for any representation of "threeness" or "threefoldness"; it's a specifically defining term within theology. Tritheists, Triadists, and Tripartitists are not Trinitarian; and it is Trinitarians who say that when making their idolatrous accusations.
If you don't personally believe actual Trinity doctrine and still want to personally use the term Trinity, that's your prerogative. It doesn't change the overall actual specificity of the term. In your perceptiin, Oneness believers would be Trinitarian because of their threeness of manifestation. Same for several other God-models.
Your concepts, perceptions, and preferences do not change reality; and your (nor I) aren't the final arbiter of truth on the matter. Trinity is a specific creedal doctrinal understanding.
Your fear of persecution and/or martyrdom is alarming.
"Persons" is an absolutely defining creedal term, and is not available for exegesis from scripture since it isn't scriptural. If it were, and if it were symbolic in its rendering, it would be appropriate to refer to as symbolic. It wasn't ME who determined by opinion that "right hand" is not a location. It's the Greek language and its usage by inspiration of the Spirit through human authorship.
Not really, but proceed as you will.
The only divisionary nonsense is extra-biblically dividing the One true and living God into three "persons". The only dividing (asunder) should be the Logos of God's Soul (the Father) and Spirit (the Holy Spirit). IF God were a "person", He would be one not three. It is a substantial difference, and Trinitarians have anathematized and even historically have exiled and put to death those who decried that God was specifically three "persons" of a Trinity.
I haven't branded you (or anyone) as an idolator (nor has anyone else).
Trinity IS a specific theological term with a specific definition of doctrine. If one believes the Orthodox formulation of God as three "persons" ultimately defined by Tertullian's "trinitas" term, they are Trinitarian. If one doesn't ascribe to the assertion that God is three "persons", they are not Trinitarian. It's a simple matter of language etymology and doctrinal affiliation. Trinity isn't a general descriptive term used for any representation of "threeness" or "threefoldness"; it's a specifically defining term within theology. Tritheists, Triadists, and Tripartitists are not Trinitarian; and it is Trinitarians who say that when making their idolatrous accusations.
If you don't personally believe actual Trinity doctrine and still want to personally use the term Trinity, that's your prerogative. It doesn't change the overall actual specificity of the term. In your perceptiin, Oneness believers would be Trinitarian because of their threeness of manifestation. Same for several other God-models.
Your concepts, perceptions, and preferences do not change reality; and your (nor I) aren't the final arbiter of truth on the matter. Trinity is a specific creedal doctrinal understanding.
Your fear of persecution and/or martyrdom is alarming.
C
It is important to understand what the context is speaking of. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "name" is without a "s" which means it is singular. It does not say "names" Another point is that Matthew the Publican wrote the book of Matthew so he was def there when Jesus spoke those words.. If Peter was speaking false doctrine in Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The apostles never baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. They baptizerd in Jesus Name. That is enough proof.
S
HIstorically, Trinitarians have been persecuted for their beliefs. The Roman Catholics and the Lutherans are not really Trinitarians; they are semi-Sabellians. The EOC was persecuted by the Lutherans; and the Lutherans and the Catholics put each other to death in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, especially almost committed total genocide against each other in the Thirty Years War. This was a non-Orthodox phenomenon.
S
Wrong again. Triune baptism is baptism in the name of Jesus. It agrees with both Matthew 28:19 and baptism in the name of Jesus in Acts. The name of Jesus is the name of the Second Person of the Trinity, not the name of the whole Trinity. But since Jesus is in the Father and Jesus is in the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Why do I care what the word means in CREEDAL TERMS?
I'm not in a CREED. Am I still allowed to use the word and apply my own terms to it?
Well to me "persons" means aspects/manifestation so **stick tongue out**
Well I'm reclaiming the word TRINITY and making it mean 3 in 1, 1 in 3.
I dont care what meanings anyone else applies to terms theologans use!
I dont fear anything. Christians will be persecuted and martyred its a fact.
And this semantic claptrap is gonna help that happen.
Congrats.
I'm not in a CREED. Am I still allowed to use the word and apply my own terms to it?
Well to me "persons" means aspects/manifestation so **stick tongue out**
Well I'm reclaiming the word TRINITY and making it mean 3 in 1, 1 in 3.
I dont care what meanings anyone else applies to terms theologans use!
I dont fear anything. Christians will be persecuted and martyred its a fact.
And this semantic claptrap is gonna help that happen.
Congrats.
A
Of course, as usual, you've all missed the point of the whole exercise.
You're best bet is to claim Bible alteration ("tahrif" in Muslimese).
But, you have to PROVE it ...
you have to PROVE that God's precious Scriptures were altered to include 100+ Trinity verses.
GOOD LUCK ... Muslims have been trying to accomplish this for 1400 years.
Do you guys have any idea at all what I'm talking about? ... Or shall I have it translated into Swahili?
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You're best bet is to claim Bible alteration ("tahrif" in Muslimese).
But, you have to PROVE it ...
you have to PROVE that God's precious Scriptures were altered to include 100+ Trinity verses.
GOOD LUCK ... Muslims have been trying to accomplish this for 1400 years.
Do you guys have any idea at all what I'm talking about? ... Or shall I have it translated into Swahili?
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Another example of using some common sense:
The Bible says two people in a marriage are “one flesh”.
They are 2 "equal" entities joined together as ONE and acting together as ONE.
But the Bible also says there is an order of authority; the man has the final say.
Similarly, the Triune Godhead is ONE in unity of purpose, etc.
They are 3 "equal" entities joined together as ONE and acting together as ONE.
But the Bible shows indications that there is an order of authority.
I have come to the conclusion that it is something akin to:
God the Father: CEO --- God the “Son”: Administrator --- God the Holy Spirit: Work-horse
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Another example of using some common sense:
The Bible says two people in a marriage are “one flesh”.
They are 2 "equal" entities joined together as ONE and acting together as ONE.
But the Bible also says there is an order of authority; the man has the final say.
Similarly, the Triune Godhead is ONE in unity of purpose, etc.
They are 3 "equal" entities joined together as ONE and acting together as ONE.
But the Bible shows indications that there is an order of authority.
I have come to the conclusion that it is something akin to:
God the Father: CEO --- God the “Son”: Administrator --- God the Holy Spirit: Work-horse
.
Because of language etymology. "Persons" is such entrenched terminology, all modern English dictionaries have an included numbered definition of "persons" in reference to Trinity. Trinity is a creedally propogated specific doctrine.
You can choose to say God is three albino hippos, for all I care. It doesn't alter the truth.
Other than for you personally, that's irrelavent. The overehelming majority of Trinis argue adamantly that God is three eternally-distinct "persons". If you don't ascribe to that, you aren't Trinitarian. But you can affiliate with them in any manner you see fit.
So... You as a homosapien/human... are an aspect/manifestation?
Ya know, I've always disliked the term mammal that zoologists use. I think I'll call them reptiles. They're reptiles to me. I'm not a zoologist, so it doesn't matter to me how it's been used.
I reclaim the word reptile and make it to mean mammal.
I don't care what meanings anyone else applies to terms zoologists use.
Exactly.
Hardly. More accusation of me. Trinitarian doctrine left me lost and deceived most of my life, as did Dispensational teaching. I'm providing information beyond such creedal theology for others who may be lost BECAUSE of doctrinal assent that isn't salvific faith. There are many. Maybe a majority.
My small effort to search for deeper truth will be irrelavent in the path of the Talmudic killing machine. Non-Judaizers will be exterminated, with or without a Trinity label. Stop blaming the coming atrocities on my stewardship of getting understanding in obedience to the Word.
You can choose to say God is three albino hippos, for all I care. It doesn't alter the truth.
Other than for you personally, that's irrelavent. The overehelming majority of Trinis argue adamantly that God is three eternally-distinct "persons". If you don't ascribe to that, you aren't Trinitarian. But you can affiliate with them in any manner you see fit.
So... You as a homosapien/human... are an aspect/manifestation?
Ya know, I've always disliked the term mammal that zoologists use. I think I'll call them reptiles. They're reptiles to me. I'm not a zoologist, so it doesn't matter to me how it's been used.
I reclaim the word reptile and make it to mean mammal.
I don't care what meanings anyone else applies to terms zoologists use.
Exactly.
Hardly. More accusation of me. Trinitarian doctrine left me lost and deceived most of my life, as did Dispensational teaching. I'm providing information beyond such creedal theology for others who may be lost BECAUSE of doctrinal assent that isn't salvific faith. There are many. Maybe a majority.
My small effort to search for deeper truth will be irrelavent in the path of the Talmudic killing machine. Non-Judaizers will be exterminated, with or without a Trinity label. Stop blaming the coming atrocities on my stewardship of getting understanding in obedience to the Word.
Jesus to deciples go ye therefore baptizing in the NAME of the father , Son, and the Holy GHost!
However all deciples baptized in the NAME if JESUS for remission of sns, there is no other name by where we can be saved! Baptism of the Holy Ghost is separate, remember Jesus was baptized
afterwards the Spirit came upon him
However all deciples baptized in the NAME if JESUS for remission of sns, there is no other name by where we can be saved! Baptism of the Holy Ghost is separate, remember Jesus was baptized
afterwards the Spirit came upon him