All Christians must die!!!

[Crossfire]

Luke 9:23-25 (NIV)

Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?"

 

[Crossfire]

John 10:10

New International Version (©1984)
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.

A SANCTIFIED CHRISTIAN LIFE. a happy one. joyful and peace.
not life like the world.

but LIFE IN ABUNDANCE. JOY.

not asceticism and pietism and perfecting yourself in the flesh.

APART FROM ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING....do you understand what this means?

apart from the Vine we are DEAD.

you want dead? separate yourself from the giver of life, the Vine.

some people WILL NEVER BELIEVE: they don't REALLY TRUST GOD AT ALL.

Romans 10:13
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 10:29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Romans 3
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Romans 4:4
Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.

Imputed Righteousness should never be mistaken with a license to sin. Rigteousness is imputed to those who take Christ at his word and turn away from a lifestyle of sin and selfishness. That doesn't mean we won't mistakes. Thankfully he is faithful to forgive. However, we should never teach imputed righteousness without humility and repentance.

 

[Strangelove]

Let me know when you decide to follow Jesus and not the doctrines of men.

Ok this is me letting you know.

Now do you wanna discuss things like adults?

 

[Strangelove]

Imputed Righteousness should never be mistaken with a license to sin. Rigteousness is imputed to those who take Christ at his word and turn away from a lifestyle of sin and selfishness. That doesn't mean we won't mistakes. Thankfully he is faithful to forgive. However, we should never teach imputed righteousness without humility and repentance.

Where has anyone said anything about a license to sin?

 

[Strangelove]

Luke 9:23-25 (NIV)

Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?"

So does that mean that its our job to completely cease from sin?

Salvation by works is it?

 

[zone]

Imputed Righteousness should never be mistaken with a license to sin. Rigteousness is imputed to those who take Christ at his word and turn away from a lifestyle of sin and selfishness. That doesn't mean we won't mistakes. Thankfully he is faithful to forgive. However, we should never teach imputed righteousness without humility and repentance.

PLEASE STOP WITH THE LICENSE TO SIN OKAY?

sick of it.

you might know antinomians. i don't.

PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND LEAVE SANCTIFICATION TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.

PREACH IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR THAT IS THE GOSPEL AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL.

btw: we aren't in trouble when we "make mistakes" - WE SIN...every single one of us.
thats why we have a Merciful High Priest.

The Holiness crowd has done so much damage to the simplicity of the Gospel.

you're not one iota holier than me.

ok?

 

[zone]

Where has anyone said anything about a license to sin?

ya....give all the Glory to God for drawing (DRAGGING) unable dead men to the Cross and regenerating them, and the first accusation out of the shute is PROMOTING SIN. rubbish

we're just not permitted by the Holiness pietists to REJOICE IN OUR SALVATION AND GIVE THANKS TO A MERCIFUL GOD.

so much of this is ringing of that terrible combo of Second Baptism and that trash Finney passed off as Chrstianity.

imputed righteousness is the Gospel....i am not ashamed of it, its the only hope we've got (at least some us Romans 8 carnal christains)

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]How Charles Finney's Theology Ravaged the Evangelical Movement[/FONT]

Specifically, what were Finney's most serious errors? At the top of the list stands his rejection of the doctrine of justification by faith. Finney denied that the righteousness of Christ is the sole ground of our justification, teaching instead that sinners must reform their own hearts in order to be acceptable to God. (His emphasis on self-reformation apart from divine enablement is again a strong echo of Pelagianism.)


As noted above, Finney rejected the notion that Adam's guilty, sinful nature is inherited by all his offspring. In doing so, he was repudiating the clear teaching of Scripture:

Thus applying nineteenth-century American legal standards to the biblical doctrine of atonement, he concluded that it would be legally unjust to impute the sinner's guilt to Christ or to impute Christ's righteousness to the sinner. As noted above, Finney labeled imputation a "theological fiction" [Memoirs, 58-61]. In essence, this was a denial of the core of evangelical theology, repudiating the heart of Paul's argument about justification by faith in Romans 3-5 (see especially Rom. 4:5)—in effect nullifying the whole gospel!


Predictably, most of Finney's spiritual heirs lapsed into apostasy, Socinianism, mere moralism, cultlike perfectionism, and other related errors. In short, Finney's chief legacy was confusion and doctrinal compromise.


Finney grew discouraged with the revival campaigns and tried his hand at pastoring in New York City before accepting the presidency of Oberlin College. During those post-revivalist years, he turned his attention to devising a doctrine of Christian perfectionism. Perfectionist ideas, in vogue at the time, were a whole new playground for serious heresy on the fringes of evangelicalism—and Finney became one of the best-known advocates of perfectionism. The evil legacy of the perfectionism touted by Finney and friends in the mid-nineteenth century has been thoroughly critiqued by B. B. Warfield in his important work Studies in Perfectionism. Perfectionism was the logical consequence of Finney's Pelagianism, and its predictable result was spiritual disaster.

A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing: How Charles Finney's Theology Ravaged the Evangelical Movement

 

[Fencepost]

PLEASE STOP WITH THE LICENSE TO SIN OKAY?

sick of it.

you might know antinomians. i don't.

PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND LEAVE SANCTIFICATION TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.

PREACH IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR THAT IS THE GOSPEL AND I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL.

btw: we aren't in trouble when we "make mistakes" - WE SIN...every single one of us.
thats why we have a Merciful High Priest.

The Holiness crowd has done so much damage to the simplicity of the Gospel.

you're not one iota holier than me.

ok?

Thanks for this zone. I love you all and just keep seeing more and more of God in you all.

 

[zone]

Luke 9:23-25 (NIV)

Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?"

do you think His disciples knew what He meant?

THE CROSS WAS FEARED AND UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY TO BE AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE AND DEATH.

PERSECUTION.

2011 christians in have no idea what that means.

 

[Cobus]

Just strawmen?

Or any comment on what I posted?

What did Paul mean when he said 'I die daily'?

Paul meant that we die daily, in the eyes of the unblievers, Just like they shifted Jesus out of towns, homes islands, and the synagouges, that is how you would like to shift us out from CC. You cannot recieve the truth becasue you do not want the truth!

To become perfectly REGENETRATED, you actually would want to be perfect! But since you prefer the lie that saints cannot be perfected, going 100% against Eph 4:11 to 13. You need to edit the Bible! And to see the futile mistake in that, just try to get rid of MAtthew 5:48.

You cannot becasue that is what God WANTS! God wants perfect people on this earth, and He MAKES perfect people on this earth FOR HIS GLORY, and there is NOTHING you can do about it, Not you and not SATAN! God has people in the Body of Christ, and He is arming them with the Truth... 1 John 3:9 Truth to spread a message other than the safeness in sin message you preach.

Get this one, just this one verse and this time just read it without the spirit of STRANGELOVE, and just hear God preaching this.....

Straight from God's lips..... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Strangelove. I cannot change your view on this matter, you have to die before Jesus can live in you. I am almost dead, I put up a hard fight, thank the Lord, he will WIN ME OVER AND LET ME DIE IN/FOR HIS NAME!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All Christians must die!! All Christians must die to the ways of this world. Any Christian whose life is of the world is NOT a Christian, but will perish with the world.
Any Christian who wants to hold on to the old pleasures will not inherit the kingdom of God. Any Christian who continues in Sin will end up in hell. If your flesh does not die, you will not live! And if you die in your sin, you will not live!!

If you do not die, you have no fellowship with Jesus, and you are not a part of him, and you never were. Every Christian must die. His flesh must die, and his blood must be spent. Then his flesh will be restored, and the blood will restore his flesh to life!!

If anyone wants to live, he must kill his flesh and be drained of his own blood. And then he must eat the flesh of Jesus Christ, and drink his blood. If a Christian does not do this, he will perish.

If a Christian is not crucified, even as violently as Jesus was, then he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Christ MUST be the Christian's ONLY life! Nothing but him, living in you. No other life, but his. My life must die, so that I can be resurrected to a new life in Christ. Until then, I am dying. May the Lord let me be crucified with him, so that I can also live with him.

May Jesus bless you.

Your sounding more and more like the very pharisees who had the romans kill Christ because he did not live up to their standard.

Dude I will be ressurected because Christ died for me. Not because I am good enough. Stop preaching law. and start living Grace. Set your minds on the things of the spirit, and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. This is how we learn to break our sin habits.

If you want to die on your own cross thinking that might save you. feel free. but stop spreading your false Gospel of hate and works.

 

[Strangelove]

do you think His disciples knew what He meant?

THE CROSS WAS FEARED AND UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY TO BE AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE AND DEATH.

PERSECUTION.

2011 christians in have no idea what that means.

Ramon wants Christians to literally crucify themselves just for fun!

To follow Jesus?

Like...helloooo??

 

[zone]

Thanks for this zone. I love you all and just keep seeing more and more of God in you all.

you're welcome bud.
it's a constant struggle to keep that flesh from wanting to take credit for the gift of salvation it seems.

be blessed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Imputed Righteousness should never be mistaken with a license to sin. Rigteousness is imputed to those who take Christ at his word and turn away from a lifestyle of sin and selfishness. That doesn't mean we won't mistakes. Thankfully he is faithful to forgive. However, we should never teach imputed righteousness without humility and repentance.

Imputed righteous is just what it means. It means through grace (unearned) Christs righteousness is given in place of my lack of righteousness. and I am thus declared justified. I am justified based on Christs work. Not my own. Why do people want to continually replace christ's work with their own works (which scripture calls bloody rags) and think they would ever be worthy of salvation.

Licsense to sin? Your argument is against those who preach a licentious gospel. They have no faith remember, James and Jude condemn them. As paul said, All things are lawfull, NOT all things are profitable. Gods people learn this fact. and this changes their life. You do not change your life by trying to obay the law. You learn it by setting your mind on the spirit.

 

[Cobus]

Asked by Strangelove, answered by God's Word!

So does that mean that its our job to completely cease from sin?

Answer....1 John 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


Salvation by works is it?

Answer... Quite the opposite....Sin is also WORKS and these works we should STOP WORKING! So no Strange it is not salvation by works, it is salvation by STOP WORKING....SIN ...GO AND SIN NO MORE!!! GO AND WORK NO MORE INIQUITY!!! So it is not works, it is STOP works!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Asked by Strangelove, answered by God's Word!

So does that mean that its our job to completely cease from sin?

Answer....1 John 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


Salvation by works is it?

Answer... Quite the opposite....Sin is also WORKS and these works we should STOP WORKING! So no Strange it is not salvation by works, it is salvation by STOP WORKING....SIN ...GO AND SIN NO MORE!!! GO AND WORK NO MORE INIQUITY!!! So it is not works, it is STOP works!

answered by john.

If we (john includes himself) say that we have no sin (present tense active) we deceive ourselves and truth is not in us.

Answered by paul,

Oh what a wretched man I am (present tense active)

If John and paul could not be sinless. what makes you think you can be?

Yeah your preaching law. and your preaching the impossible. The pharisees thought they were perfect also. I pray you do not suffer their fate

 

[Cobus]

EG the imputed righteousness CANNOT sin! It is the righteosness of God not yours or mine HIS! It is without sin...100% righteouss! 1 John 3:7... Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Looks like all the answers come from 1 book? 1 John 3 especially! And he says... LITTLE CHILDREN let no man (or woman) decieve you...He that doeth righteousness is righteous, EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS!...That is WITH NO SIN!!!!

So whoever read this, even the young ones out there,,,, LET NO PERSON DECIEVE YOU... The people that does God's will (His Righteousness) they do it as Jesus did it....PERFECTLY!!!!

 

[Cobus]

Paul was sinless... And perfect... Look what God said about Paul in Acts 23:1...And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. Also in Romans 1... By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

For obedience to the FAITH... Also the faith and obedience to Matthew 5 :48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
The Lord made them obey even this command by GIVING THEM THE HOLY SPIRIT!

 

[Cobus]

What makes me believe I can be REGENERATED to be perfect.... The whole Gospel of Jesus! Jesus died and shed His blood so I can be washed from ALL sin, and He was resurrected so I can live even AFTER I DIED, a life IN HIM AND HIM IN ME... PERFECTION RESTORED IN FLESH!

 

[Strangelove]

Asked by Strangelove, answered by God's Word!

So does that mean that its our job to completely cease from sin?

Answer....1 John 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The holy Spirit DOES IT. We dont need pious workhorses coming here telling us to CEASE sinning. No man can cease to sin, if he says he has then he is a liar. Have you met a sinless man yet? Other than Jesus?

No.

So just give up your works. REST.

Salvation by works is it?

Answer... Quite the opposite....Sin is also WORKS and these works we should STOP WORKING! So no Strange it is not salvation by works, it is salvation by STOP WORKING....SIN ...GO AND SIN NO MORE!!! GO AND WORK NO MORE INIQUITY!!! So it is not works, it is STOP works!

Have you stopped your works of sin yet?

Or are you STILL a hypocrite?