the unforgivable sin

[DaivdM]

Matthew 12:22-32

22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and[a] mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub,[b] the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL MY BROTHER OF WHAT YOU SAY, REMEMBER, THERE IS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN OUT THERE.....
STOP WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MY BROTHERS, DON'T THINK YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN IF YOU COMMIT THIS SIN.....

I WARN YOU........ BE CAREFULL

 

[Ramon]

I would not lay such a burden on a person my friend. No. Not such heavy a burden.

If anyone thinks they have done this, they SHOULD go to Jesus and seek his forgiveness. Jesus knows who has done this or not, and if he will reject them then that is that.

If Jesus does not forgive them, then that his that, but we should not lay that burden on so thick.

May Jesus bless you.

good warning though

 

[DaivdM]

I would not lay such a burden on a person my friend. No. Not such heavy a burden.

If anyone thinks they have done this, they SHOULD go to Jesus and seek his forgiveness. Jesus knows who has done this or not, and if he will reject them then that is that.

If Jesus does not forgive them, then that his that, but we should not lay that burden on so thick.

May Jesus bless you.

good warning though

This is not a burning, but like I said, a Warning

 

[4runner]

You cannot accidentally blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

 

[DaivdM]

You cannot accidentally blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

What do you mean by accidentally?

 

[4runner]

What do you mean by accidentally?

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit you must purposely, and intentionally subscribe something you know to be of God to the Devil. If someone accidentally or unknowingly subscribes something that is of God, like tongues for example to the Devil they have not blasphemed. Only if they willfully and knowingly subscribe something of God to the Devil are they blaspheming.

 

[DaivdM]

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit you must purposely, and intentionally subscribe something you know to be of God to the Devil. If someone accidentally or unknowingly subscribes something that is of God, like tongues for example to the Devil they have not blasphemed. Only if they willfully and knowingly subscribe something of God to the Devil are they blaspheming.

You have a point there....
But also, be careful of what you say about the Holy Spirit.. cuz, if someone give you the truth and prove it, and you still don't beleive and say that is not from the Holy Spirit, but from the devil... You can commit the sin..

I just want people to be careful..
Instead of using the word devil, use the flesh....

 

[4runner]

You have a point there....
But also, be careful of what you say about the Holy Spirit.. cuz, if someone give you the truth and prove it, and you still don't beleive and say that is not from the Holy Spirit, but from the devil... You can commit the sin..

Well like I said you must do it on purpose. However as a pretribber, I would warn you to take your own advice. The pretrib rapture has been disproven many times in these forums. Yet you continue to believe satan's lie

I just want people to be careful..
Instead of using the word devil, use the flesh....

But some doctrines are of the devil, the Bible speaks of doctrines of demons, and the pretrib rapture is one of these doctrines.

 

[Ramon]

This is one of the most saddest things ever. At that point, I cannot intercede for anyone who does that. They are left to Jesus only. I can't do anything for them. They are left to it.

When someone does that, I leave them alone. I don't get involved anymore. It stays right there between them and Jesus. It is sad, but I have been on that road too.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[DaivdM]

Well like I said you must do it on purpose. However as a pretribber, I would warn you to take your own advice. The pretrib rapture has been disproven many times in these forums. Yet you continue to believe satan's lie

It don't matter who try to disaprove it... I know on what I have believe.... and they will never disaprove it either...

But some doctrines are of the devil, the Bible speaks of doctrines of demons, and the pretrib rapture is one of these doctrines.

I was not talking about dotrines, but the gifts of the holy spirit, and if you believe that the rapture isa false dotrine, that is between you and God... Nothing I can say or do to change your mind..

And why did you bring the Rapture into this... Can we have a nice discussion that doesn't talk about the rapture for once

 

[DaivdM]

This is one of the most saddest things ever. At that point, I cannot intercede for anyone who does that. They are left to Jesus only. I can't do anything for them. They are left to it.

When someone does that, I leave them alone. I don't get involved anymore. It stays right there between them and Jesus. It is sad, but I have been on that road too.

May Jesus bless you.

I had an Experience with this sin, where I thought I commited this sin... It was the most horrible thing ever... It lasted for a hole month... You cannot imagine how it feel if you have never had that experience

 

[Ramon]

I had an Experience with this sin, where I thought I commited this sin... It was the most horrible thing ever... It lasted for a hole month... You cannot imagine how it feel if you have never had that experience

Yes me also. I even made a post about it. It is the heaviest thing ever. Only by the word of the testimony and the blood huh?

I was left to Jesus though. I said, ''Lord, I will not go off and go into sin just because you have rejected me.''

I said to the Lord I will not stop until he forgives me. I will seek it with all of me. Even though I read I could not be forgiven. I would prove the Lord's mercy.

No devil was going to keep me condemned to hell. Satan is a filthy liar. He has NO idea of the truth. His ways are error and foolishness.

GLORY BE THE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!! AND TO HIS CHRIST JESUS!! AMEN!!!

 

[DaivdM]

Yes me also. I even made a post about it. It is the heaviest thing ever. Only by the word of the testimony and the blood huh?

I was left to Jesus though. I said, ''Lord, I will not go off and go into sin just because you have rejected me.''

I said to the Lord I will not stop until he forgives me. I will seek it with all of me. Even though I read I could not be forgiven. I would prove the Lord's mercy.

No devil was going to keep me condemned to hell. Satan is a filthy liar. He has NO idea of the truth. His ways are error and foolishness.

GLORY BE THE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!! AND TO HIS CHRIST JESUS!! AMEN!!!

you commited the sin, or you thought you did?
and that was the same time I said, I was not going to sin, because I promised God I will follow him until I die

 

[Ramon]

you commited the sin, or you thought you did?
and that was the same time I said, I was not going to sin, because I promised God I will follow him until I die

You remind me of something.

Israel also made an oath to God like that, and so did I, but Israel entered into a curse that way. God said not to swear anything to him, because chances are we will not keep it. It was hard to except, but it is so right.

I can't make a promise, because I don't know what will happen. what I can do is be at the will and mercy of God. What I can say, is ''Jesus help me, keep me from sin, deliver me from evil!!''

I know the war we fight, and I wage that war in my flesh every day. But Jesus overcame all flesh, and overcomes all flesh of those who follow him. It was written that when he rose he lead captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. How awesome, it is almost like the spoils of war. Hmm. Very interesting.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[DaivdM]

You remind me of something.

Israel also made an oath to God like that, and so did I, but Israel entered into a curse that way. God said not to swear anything to him, because chances are we will not keep it. It was hard to except, but it is so right.

I can't make a promise, because I don't know what will happen. what I can do is be at the will and mercy of God. What I can say, is ''Jesus help me, keep me from sin, deliver me from evil!!''

I know the war we fight, and I wage that war in my flesh every day. But Jesus overcame all flesh, and overcomes all flesh of those who follow him. It was written that when he rose he lead captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. How awesome, it is almost like the spoils of war. Hmm. Very interesting.

May Jesus bless you.

yeah...
God bless

 

[Cobus]

DavidM may I share with you how Jesus showed me what this sin against the Holy Spriit is...
WE know that the SEED that remaineth in all REBORN from God is the fulness of the Holy Spirit. So let me as short as possible explain what a REBRON OF GOD person is... This is the path of a sinner to God....
1. God calls the sinner.
2. The sinner hears and calls on God...Lord I am a sinner what should I do?
3. God sends His Holy Spirit to GUIDE AND LEAD AND COMFORT the sinner.
4. The sinner repents DAILY and he cleans HIMSELF, unti he has LAID DOWN all sin in his life, under the LEADING of the Holy Spirit. (Now this man is a SAINT)
5. Now the Holy Spirit has DRAWN this man ALL the way from sinner to saint, to now stand right in front of Jesus at the cross. Then Jesus WASHES, FORGIVES and REMOVE ALL sin from this man by LETTING THIS MAN PASS TRHOUGH HIS BLOOD TO GOD'S Sice of the cross. (The man ENTERS INTO THE KINGDOM)
6. Becasue the spirit now are IN THE KINGDOM (hid in God with Christ) the flesh of that sinner would actually die, but God can quicken that flesh with the Holy Spirit! (that Holy Spirit is the man's spirit that PASSED THROUGH THE BLOOD! The moment that spirit PASS through the Blood, that Spirit becomes ONE WITH GOD AND JESUS! Now that Spirit CANNOT SIN!
7. Now that flesh gets a NEW SPIRIT... A Holy Spirit, and if that soul in the flesh, now with the SAME charactor than Jesus (a holy sinless charactor) wants to sin again, ANY SIN, that soul (and spirit) That man... has to ask God to leave him pass through the blood ONCE again to the world side to go and sin. To do that God has to let the (hid in God with Christ) be revealed in SIN again, and then there is NO MORE SALVATION for that soul.

So in short... If a person sin AFTER he was hid in God with Christ... (Made Holy) ... and he wants to sin again, He has to ask God to LEAVE the soul and spirit and body, so that it is possible to sin, becasue it is impossible to sin with the Holy Spirit full in you... Then you sin to speak against the Holy Spirit. To ask the Holy SPirit to leave you AFTER you were made holy, by His presence, is the SPEAK AGAINST THE SPIRIT. And then there is no more salvation for you.

Like 4 Runner says... It is virtually impossible, becasue you have to be really stupid to do this. Imagine you repented ALL sin and God baptize you, and fill you with His Spirit and then you want to go back to be UNHOLY, That is just crazy. I know of no man that did this, not here and maybe, i know one that did it in the Bible but that is another matter!

 

[4runner]

It don't matter who try to disaprove it... I know on what I have believe.... and they will never disaprove it either...

Exactly my point, you need to heed your own warning

I was not talking about dotrines, but the gifts of the holy spirit, and if you believe that the rapture isa false dotrine, that is between you and God... Nothing I can say or do to change your mind..

Of course there is prove it with scripture

And why did you bring the Rapture into this... Can we have a nice discussion that doesn't talk about the rapture for once

Sure my point was simply to state when you claim the post trib rapture is not of God you are doing what you warn others of. However you are right about Ceasationalist, it is borderline blasphemy.

 

[DaivdM]

Exactly my point, you need to heed your own warning



Of course there is prove it with scripture

Sure my point was simply to state when you claim the post trib rapture is not of God you are doing what you warn others of. However you are right about Ceasationalist, it is borderline blasphemy.

prove the post rapture
But, I know u going to use matthew 24, but I will tell you, that is for israel, but u going to say that the church is israel... so there is no point on me trying to prove to you anything.. U beleve way ever u want..

 

[4runner]

prove the post rapture

That is easy

But, I know u going to use matthew 24, but I will tell you, that is for israel, but u going to say that the church is israel... so there is no point on me trying to prove to you anything.. U beleve way ever u want..

I do not have to use Matthew 24 or say the Church is Israel to prove the post trib rapture. The fact that the rapture happens at the last trump is enough via 1st Corinthians 15:51-53, but if that is not good enough I can show that the rapture occurs on the same day s Christ post trib return to destroy the wicked.


Luke 17:26-30
26 And as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, and they were given into marriage, until Noah entered into the ark then the flood came and destroyed them all.
The very day Noah entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all, once again it was not a seven year prolonged period of destruction but it was immediate, the very day the righteous were removed.
28 Likewise also as it was in the day of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day the Son of man shall be revealed.
It very clear the SAME DAY Noah went on the ark the flood came and destroyed them all. The SAME DAY Lot was taken, out of Sodom fire and brimstone rain from heaven and destroyed them all. The text says this is exactly how it will be when Jesus returns. The very SAME DAY Jesus returns at His post trib second coming is the very SAME DAY we will be taken out or '' raptured '' and it is the very SAME DAY He will destroy the wicked. This will be confirmed in my next text 2nd Thessalonins 1:6-10 as well.



2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation on them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.
We receive our rest when Jesus is revealed with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God. In other words we are raptured at the post trib second coming when Jesus returns to destroy the wicked with fire. Lets look at verse 7 and 8 again.
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
There is no question that this passage places the post trib second coming, the rapture of the saints, and the destruction of the wicked all at the very same time. The pretib ''Theologian'' that claims the Bible never says as much, must of missed this passage. We cannot ignore God's word, so I choose to ignore the pretrib ''Theologian''.


No the only question is who will you believe?

 

[DaivdM]

That is easy
I do not have to use Matthew 24 or say the Church is Israel to prove the post trib rapture. The fact that the rapture happens at the last trump is enough via 1st Corinthians 15:51-53, but if that is not good enough I can show that the rapture occurs on the same day s Christ post trib return to destroy the wicked.

Do you know what is the last trump, and what does it mean?

Luke 17:26-30
26 And as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, and they were given into marriage, until Noah entered into the ark then the flood came and destroyed them all.
The very day Noah entered the ark the flood came and destroyed them all, once again it was not a seven year prolonged period of destruction but it was immediate, the very day the righteous were removed.

Do you think the tribulation will be normal?
Do you think people will be doing what the people in noah days were doing?

28 Likewise also as it was in the day of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day the Son of man shall be revealed.
It very clear the SAME DAY Noah went on the ark the flood came and destroyed them all. The SAME DAY Lot was taken, out of Sodom fire and brimstone rain from heaven and destroyed them all. The text says this is exactly how it will be when Jesus returns. The very SAME DAY Jesus returns at His post trib second coming is the very SAME DAY we will be taken out or '' raptured '' and it is the very SAME DAY He will destroy the wicked. This will be confirmed in my next text 2nd Thessalonins 1:6-10 as well..

Again, will everything be normal at the time of tribulation?
Flood, fire, is Tribulation

2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation on them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,.

How can God give tribulation to people in the last day?
and how can he give you rest in the middle of the tribulation?

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Who will be punish? the christians and the people that don't know God(Not converted to God)
Who don't obey the gospel? The Christians who don't do what God ask them to do
Who don't know God? The people who has not accepted Jesus Christ

Two different people Paul talked here...
And in the second coming, Those that didn't put the mark will be saved... Sound like work not grace....

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day
We receive our rest when Jesus is revealed with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God. In other words we are raptured at the post trib second coming when Jesus returns to destroy the wicked with fire. Lets look at verse 7 and 8 again.

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

But in the verse you put, He will only be glorified by his saint...

No the only question is who will you believe?

I will believe my in my God, and Salvior