Blasphomy love of muslims and other sick herasys

[holyfire]

The old testament is still law in all but the things jesus change it sickens me when cristians compleatly ignore it the teachings of Leviticus and John are also ignored

(The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7)

gays are tolareted here despite

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." Leviticus 20:13
and yet in our moral cristian society do we kill gays are you saying your above the bible
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." Deuteronomy 13:13-19

above is a very clear passage and says what we should be doing about muslims any who says were not under these laws is a blasphemer and the bible clearly says blasphemers must die blasphomy is a grave sin and crime against god

men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. Leviticus 24:10-16

and yet you still dont think muslims must die its one verse your sayinng

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

the new church lets woman off for serious crimes against god

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21

woman speakers are allowd in church despite

Give no woman power over you to trample upon your dignity. Sirach 9:2

As in all the churches of the holy ones, women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church. 1 Corinthians 14:33-35

 

[eric51]

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Holy Fire,

This is a very questionable post. Saying muslims and others must die, is an unconscionable statement.

ADMINISTRATORS,

Please review this post for suitability!

In Christ

Amen

 

[beautyinthestruggle]

Yeah. Everything this guy says makes me feel like I've been punched in the gut.

Someone deal with him? Please?

 

[holyfire]

the bible says they must die not me

 

[Grimaldus]

#1 Golden rule, treat others how you would want to be treated. #2 Seperation of church and state, murder is a crime punishable by humans for those who choose to disobey basic human rights, and you will be punished as a human, not some holy asssasin.

 

[Baruch]

the bible says they must die not me

Seeing how he is banned, one can only hope he reads this guest wise.

It is true that God hates sin, but it is not true any longer about the issuance of death to be performed by the believers on those that believe not nor on those engaging in abominations. Consider this:

All those that receive the mark of the beast are designated for the Lake of Fire during the great tribulation, and yet what are their instructions?

John 16: 1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Revelation 13: 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Of all the times a believer would be allowed to kill, it would be then, would it not? I mean, those with the mark are doomed so why not kill them? Here's why.

Romans 12:18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

And since we are not in the great tribulation yet, the above verses apply. Why?

1 Timothy 1:14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

If you look at the background of the author of Amazing Grace, one would wonder if such a hymn be known if christians had killed him for being a sinner.

 

[Slepsog4]

Ancient Israel was both a religious and civil state at the same time under the same Law with the power to enforce it.

The church is a spiritual kingdom. We take thoughts captive through the gospel. The church does not exist to execute anyone. The Covenant to ancient Israel was superseded by the gospel of Christ. We are no longer governed by that Law. The church can exist under virtually any civil law.

We do not have the authority to exact punishment except the occasional withdrawing of fellowship from an immoral brother.

We are explicitly commanded through Paul in Romans not to take vengeance. God uses the governing authorities in this world and he will take care of the rest in the judgment.

 

[loveschild]

The bible says hate is a sin. Unforgiveness is a sin. Bitterness is a sin. Says don't judge.

 

[Slepsog4]

Actually the Bible teaches that we are to judge righteous judgment.

There are things that are ok to hate. Read the fact that David said because he loved God and His word he hated every false way.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

the bible says they must die not me

Luke 19:27

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

 

[beautyinthestruggle]

My opinion is that we should just let this thread die.

 

[Grimaldus]

While I do think this was a bad thread to start, it does bring up a pretty interesting topic, doesn't it?

 

[Baruch]

Luke 19:27

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Keep things in context, brother.

Luke 19: 27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, 30Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. 31And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. 32And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. 33And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34And they said, The Lord hath need of him. 35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. 36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way. 37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; 38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. 41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. 45And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; 46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. 47And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him, 48And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.

Did He had His disciples slay the money changers? No.

Did He have His disciples go after those that sought to destroy Him? No.

So whom was slain before Jesus? What did He accomplish by going into Jerusalem?
He conquered death and sin. Are they not the enemies of God that would keep Him from reigning over His people?

 

[Dragoon9]

After I became a Christian, I had a friend who was a witch (wiccan witch) ask me if I now wanted her dead.

I answered her truthfully... yes.

I wanted her dead to her sin. I wished for her old self to be crucified in Christ. I desired her old self destroyed, so that she could be born again, fully and truly alive in Jesus Christ. (Romans 6:1-11)

I likewise desire the death of my Muslim friends. May they die to the world, and be reborn anew in the wonder and glory of God.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. (Ephesians 6:12)

Christ commanded that I arm myself with a sword. So I continually arm myself with the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel (Eph 6:19)

Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the Gospel. Amen.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Keep things in context, brother.

Luke 19: 27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, 30Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. 31And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. 32And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. 33And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34And they said, The Lord hath need of him. 35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. 36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way. 37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; 38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. 41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. 45And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; 46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. 47And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him, 48And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.

Did He had His disciples slay the money changers? No.

Did He have His disciples go after those that sought to destroy Him? No.

So whom was slain before Jesus? What did He accomplish by going into Jerusalem?
He conquered death and sin. Are they not the enemies of God that would keep Him from reigning over His people?

Greetings,

Lets look at it another way, in context; Jesus spoke these words to His diciples not before He went through the Passion and Crucifixtion, this was before going up to the Temple to throw out the money changers and He did this with a whip in His hand, He called the place a den of theives! Now imagine going into a bustling major city like Jerusalem was in those days, with a rag tag group of individual followers from the outskirts of town and start throwing out all the money changers, we have plenty of money changers today their trade is called 'banking' , see how it says in 47 that 'the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to kill him', there were men their seeking to destroy Jesus after He had thrown out the money changers which for us or any band of men would have been impossible, where there are maoney changers their is alot of money, their would have been law enforcement their, Temple guards, angry city folk, the money changers and their employees and security...Jesus Christ threw them all out with a whip, this would have been an amazing and violient scene, Jesus diciples who some being trained fighting men would have been involed in very serious fight, Jesus had supernatural powers and must have employed them to eject the main force and this would have been witnessed adding to His claim of Messiah. The throwing out of the money changes is a seminal act in the life of Christ and cannot be underestimated in any way.

Now in context, there is no doubt that Jesus Christ was rallying his men before battle, there was going to be big trouble going down and hHe needed men willing to die for Him in service fort what He wanted to do. Now I would think that on such an occasion when the money changers and there security and protection from the Temple guards themselves and very angry preists thrown into the mallee, And Jesus Christ Himself unleashing Wrath and judgement on a corrupt den of theiving officials and 'banking' types. This would have been an explosive and violent scene, Jesus Christ had a whip in hand and it wasn't for theatrical show, His diciples and followers would have been attacked, they would have had to defend themselves and Jesus as they had been charged to do so.

This is context, Christianity is not a pacifist religion, it's a dangerous religion, you if you are a true Christian will be faced with much hardship and most likely suffer physically for Christ, So Luker 19:27 contains a message for all true Christians at battle, that their are times that we are called to fight, there is a time for peace and their is a time for war, wisdom is to know the difference.

 

[sweetie36]

I am looking in the Bible Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be King Over them- bring them here and Kill them in front of me.
No matter what we do God still loves us but we are suppose to Obey His word.
I know that sometimes its hard but we all have to do what the Bible says.
We all have a choice to belive in him or not.
Every were we have different Religions, One thing we sould remeber is that Jesus is our Savior. He loves us not matter what.
It hurts him when we dont Obey Him. I want to be a better person and not Hurt Jesus. I love him with all my heart.
I may not agree with you or the next person and so on but some people I may agree with. I know whats in my heart and what the Bible says. I know what I belive in and thats Jesus Christ.
I hope I dont Offened any, I am Only being Honest....

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I think I should clarify something, we cannot take one specific verse out of the Bible and apply it to our lives, especially when the Lord Jesus is speaking, one must really listen and think about what the Lord is saying and why and in what context, and how does this bear on my life now if I wish to follow the Lord. When God speaks us puny brained humans often get things all mixed up, it's complicated when Jesus speaks, what He says, may even sound at first so simplistic and easy to understand, but everytime He opens His mouth there is a whole universe to consider, so His words are laden with meaning and deep, and complex. Now when Jesus said "those whom are my enemies bring them before me and slay them", He is talking to His diciples who were literally just about to go into battle, walking into Jerusalem with rag tag team of followers, armed, and throwing out the money changers of the Temple, was a big fight, violent, with weapons, men were trying to kill Jesus, destroy Him completely, this was not just a bit theatre or showmenship, Jesus and his diciples were literally in a life and death struggle, and this was one of their biggest fights if not their biggest and most dangerous, this is not Sermon on the Mount, this is the Lord in warrior mode, full flight, armed with a whip, supernatural wrath! I reckon this was a bloodbath, this was not Jesus kindly asking the money changers to pack up their stuff and exit the building, I would like to use the Temple fotr the day...No, it was get out of here you theives! get out of My House! I don't think the money changers would have left in a hurry if there wasn't a major display of divine wrath, things don't work that way theives who are in the process of making money and profit just don't pack up quietly shuffle off when someone asks them to. These money changers would have had security, men at arms, they were officially protected by the Temple guards!

So here we see that in context when Jesus is telling his men that they are about to go up to the Temple, and kick out the money changers, his followers were probably thinking, whoa? you want us to do what? take on the whole of Jerusalem? They would have been petrified, and here is Jesus giving the a plan of action a pep talk before battle, when He says 'enemy' someone who and there were going to be a few there were going to try to kill him, so Jesus is saying those mine enemies, you bring to Me if they try and kill Me, this is serious, you stop them if they try to kill Me, and slay them! See context. put it in context.

 

[whiteknite]

My opinion is that we should just let this thread die.

I agree with you there. In fact, I think this whole thread should be deleted

 

[Slepsog4]

Anyone who tries to take Luke 19:27 as a directive or command for Christians is a blithering idiot. That is a parable. A parable is a true to life story with a spiritual message.

The actions of that day could be such that a King could execute those who were committing treason in his kingdom.

There is a warning here of judgment and the call for service for those in the kingdom. But there is no call to arms on the part of the saints.

Anyone who so suggests is just plain ole stupid.