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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    Ease up on the personal attacks. If you will be patient you will discover where I am going with this.

    It is my belief that nominal christianity in general is the equivalent of Antinomianism.

    This site is full of nominal christians who do not take salvation seriously, would you agree?
    1) i know where you're going with this, seen this a million times
    2) no, i do not agree.

    if a man has been drawn to Christ by The Father he IS AND WILL BE SAVED. full stop. period. end of story.

    he'll know it, and will be taking it seriously. but. this is your thread

    so, rather than the SET-UP of carnal vs super-spiritual, we got saved and unsaved.
    i reject the heresy of 2 kinds of Christians in Romans 8.
    but said it before.

    so......have fun trying to set christians up for despair by levelling antinomianism at them when THE HOLY SPIRIT will.... not maybe.... He Will perform His Commission and deliver every single one Lord has called.

    but hey! i believe in the Power of The Holy Spirit.

    bye bye.
    love zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    At last, we agree on something. However, while many would agree that we need faith, how many actually walk in faith?

    It's one thing to talk about faith. It's an entirely different thing to actually live it.

    These are the dangers of 'religion'.
    i'm not allowed to post here anymore, so i can't say what i would, that faith is a gift and The Holy Spirit is more than able. what is this "living the faith" business? elitism i would say.

    anyhoo.
    have a nice day CF
    love zone.

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    even a fallen creation is spectacular.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskokaman View Post
    Yep the importance of daily scripture and my mind has been opened up into new arenas of thought I never considered before yet when thought about with both sides of the arguement present and a mindset towards self betterment and Godliness 1 begins to get a more well rounded view especially where denominational fracture within the church is concerned this bothers me greatly and daily I search for ways of reuniting all men in Christ. I.E. my posts about unity I am not going for sainthood here I just think it's a wonderful dream I would like to see accomplished in my lifetime.

    Do you think it's too much to ask for?
    Yup....

    Apostasy must happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
    Sure he is, he believes that sin is permissible, not to mention all that stuff Augustine made up.
    Sin permissable?

    Erm...no...I believe sins by Christians are forgiven. Don't you?

    Lets start with what you define as 'mistakes' which you clarified were accidental sins.

    Must we completely purge those or are they forgiven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Angel_316 View Post
    Talking about -- Name-it, claim-it; Greasy Grace (schmoozing); Rationalization and such like.
    Still no idea what yer going on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    At last, we agree on something. However, while many would agree that we need faith, how many actually walk in faith?

    It's one thing to talk about faith. It's an entirely different thing to actually live it.

    These are the dangers of 'religion'.
    Look....if someone SAYS we dont need to have fruit in our walk...then they are antinomian. Thats it. Simple. You dont judge a persons theology by their fruit.

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    Ok I only read this page, thought what the heck, iv read so many other isms on cc why not this one.
    Got to part on Noah, if he was "perfect" in the sense as perfect perfect Jesus then there would have been no cross,

    ALL have fallen short - A L L. except Jesus
    {Side note, couldn't resist
    (barabbas = bar-son / abbas - Father) who was set freed in Jesus place???
    The sons of the Father, US}I'll duck any stone thrown lol

    Anyway
    Sanctification comes with obedience to endure, the flesh is weak the spirit willing, God will help us and see us thru, why would it say "confess your sins one to another" after initial salvation, cause we stuff up !! No condemnation though and NO liscence to sin either and mock Gods grace.
    Dogs may return to their vomit but after a season or three with Satan they run home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
    You never answered the question...Is it permissible to continue in sin after repentance?
    Depends how you define 'continue in sin'?

    Does that include your accidental sins?

    I can tell you that Christians dont ABIDE in sin, like before they were made new. They do not, however become totally sinless in thought, act and deed.

    Now are you gonna answer my questions on your ego thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    Ease up on the personal attacks. If you will be patient you will discover where I am going with this.

    It is my belief that nominal christianity in general is the equivalent of Antinomianism.

    This site is full of nominal christians who do not take salvation seriously, would you agree?
    I agree. The people you talk of are perfectionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consumed View Post
    Ok I only read this page, thought what the heck, iv read so many other isms on cc why not this one.
    Got to part on Noah, if he was "perfect" in the sense as perfect perfect Jesus then there would have been no cross,

    ALL have fallen short - A L L. except Jesus
    {Side note, couldn't resist
    (barabbas = bar-son / abbas - Father) who was set freed in Jesus place???
    The sons of the Father, US}I'll duck any stone thrown lol

    Anyway
    Sanctification comes with obedience to endure, the flesh is weak the spirit willing, God will help us and see us thru, why would it say "confess your sins one to another" after initial salvation, cause we stuff up !! No condemnation though and NO liscence to sin either and mock Gods grace.
    Dogs may return to their vomit but after a season or three with Satan they run home.
    Consumed,

    I completely agree with your perspective however, the reason it shouldn't be brought up here is 3 fold:

    #1. it's off topic

    #2. apparently if you advocate consecration you are a perfectionist in the eyes of the Reformed among us (at least that's how I've interpret their words and actions)

    #3. the reason that it was even brought up in the first place was a personal attack

    I hope you understand.
    Last edited by Crossfire; September 15th, 2011 at 12:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangelove View Post
    I agree. The people you talk of are perfectionists.
    Perfectionism has nothing to do with this.

    Once Saved Always Saved has nothing to do with this.

    If you can't leave your personal agendas at the the door and talk about the original topic then I kindly and respectfully ask you not to contribute in the conversation at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    #3. the reason that it was even brought up in the first place was a personal attack

    I hope you understand.
    RUBBISH!
    you're acting like a little girl.

    get on with your topic and stop minding every little jot and tittle of everybody else's convos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangelove View Post
    Sin permissable?

    Erm...no...I believe sins by Christians are forgiven. Don't you?
    Past sins repentant of yes. Present and future sins, no. That is what atonomians believe....i thought you weren't one? well I guess you are after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangelove View Post
    Depends how you define 'continue in sin'?

    Does that include your accidental sins?
    Yes it would

    I can tell you that Christians dont ABIDE in sin, like before they were made new. They do not, however become totally sinless in thought, act and deed.
    So less sin is better than lots of sin?

    Now are you gonna answer my questions on your ego thread?
    Nope. I have answered every question you have asks about 3 times, and I will no longer keep answering you repeated questions.

    Maybe if you come up with a new one, but I doubt it, as you are not sincerely looking for answers, but just wanting to argue.

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    The Lord Jesus Christ has saved us. Not by what we have done, but by what He has done. The Lord shows us the Law of the spirit and draws us to that and teaches us that. We are spiritually born again and new.

    The old Law still has its purpose but not to the spiritually born again, except to show him where he falls into error. Otherwise the born again person is following the law of the spirit, as best as he is able.

    When the born again person tries to follow the old law by his own power he falls into sin. Sin is revived. It is when the born again person follows Jesus and the law of the spirit that he is able to rise above the old law and not break it. It is the only way to not break the old law.

    Is this considered antinomian? Your definition is kind of vague. It almost seems like anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus would be considered antinomian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    Perfectionism has nothing to do with this.

    Once Saved Always Saved has nothing to do with this.

    If you can't leave your personal agendas at the the door and talk about the original topic then I kindly and respectfully ask you not to contribute in the conversation at all.
    What??? strangelove have respect for the op or the topic....good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
    What??? strangelove have respect for the op or the topic....good luck.
    hi 4runner.
    i was thinking of taking a coffee break in the archives room.
    care to join me?
    your friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    hi 4runner.
    i was thinking of taking a coffee break in the archives room.
    care to join me?
    your friend
    zone
    Dont drink coffee, but thanks for the invite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossfire View Post
    Consumed,

    I completely agree with your perspective however, the reason it shouldn't be brought up here is 3 fold:

    #1. it's off topic

    #2. apparently if you advocate consecration you are a perfectionist in the eyes of the Reformed among us (at least that's how I've interpret their words and actions)

    #3. the reason that it was even brought up in the first place was a personal attack

    I hope you understand.
    Sorry bro, thought it was part of the ism title and had something to do with it, saw question about noah being perfect, i apologize, I only read the one page, not sure what you mean being a perfectionist though,
    My only endeavor is following Jesus commandments - to love, be perfect in love
    Can't nor ever will be able to do it to His "perfection" but by grace I'm alot better than I was when I started this walk with Him, can't wait for Glory, here there, I don't care, His will be done but one thing is promised glory is a coming.
    perfectionist lolz who's the reformed among us?? Aren't we all reformed as in transformed from darkness to light???

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    Originally Posted by zone
    hi 4runner.
    i was thinking of taking a coffee break in the archives room.
    care to join me?
    your friend
    zone
    Quote Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
    Dont drink coffee, but thanks for the invite
    How about some coco instead?

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