Church Business isn't Kingdom Business.

[Ramon]

Church business isn't kingdom business. Jesus has nothing to do with Church business.

Church business is how many people you can get to go to your church so you can get tithes to build more churches.

Church business is about what doctrines please the crowd.

Church business is not about saving souls.

Church business is not about the truth.

Church business is about lazy idle people who serve Mammon in the name of Jesus Christ.

But kingdom business is about saving souls. About the preaching of repentance. It is about turning away from sin, and serving the Lord Jesus Christ and HIM ALONE.

It is about seeking FIRST, the kingdom of heaven and HIS righteousness.

It is about the Truth, Jesus Christ!!!

Idle people work in the Church business, where they are given tasks to maintain an earthly church, but God is not in that church.

His kingdom is not seen by the world.

What is your business? Kingdom business or Church business?

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Cobus]

Ramon when I read this in 1 Timothy 3 about the qualification of a deacon in GOD'S church I immediately resigned as a deacon in my church becasue I was not qualified.
1 Tim 3:9... Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

I handed in my resignation with the reason for resignation as: "I do not have a pure conscience, and I do not even know what the mystery of faith is."

My reply from the head-deacon was... "If we all reasoned like that, we should all resign and then there will be NO deacon in this church."

Then I saked my two ministers what is the mystery of faith, and they had different answers. Then I knew, I will have to stat asking God about God! And my days ended in that church...Thank God!

 

[AnandaHya]

you've been attending the wrong churches if their business is not also God's business. Jesus has everything to do with churches He has raised up pastors to shepherd His sheep and feed Meat to His adolescent children.

 

[Cobus]

Yep, Ananda that is why I left. And Ananda if I find the church where the deacons have the mystery of faith on clean consciences, I will defenately apply for membership. A church where the Pastor is a person like this... A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

I know I will LOVE such a church, but where to find it? And is it advisable to settle for less? I do not think so!

 

[Scotth1960]

Church business isn't kingdom business. Jesus has nothing to do with Church business.

Church business is how many people you can get to go to your church so you can get tithes to build more churches.

Church business is about what doctrines please the crowd.

Dear Ramon You are using an equivocal (false) definition of "church". The Bible says the Church is "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), and says the "gates of hell" will not prevail against the Church (Matt. 16:18). The true Church doesn't care about which doctrines "please the crowd".
You should say "Protestant Reformation business is about what doctrines please the crowd", or "which doctrines pleased Martin Luther, or John Calvin", etc.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


Church business is not about saving souls.

Church business is not about the truth.

Church business is about lazy idle people who serve Mammon in the name of Jesus Christ.

But kingdom business is about saving souls. About the preaching of repentance. It is about turning away from sin, and serving the Lord Jesus Christ and HIM ALONE.

It is about seeking FIRST, the kingdom of heaven and HIS righteousness.

It is about the Truth, Jesus Christ!!!

Idle people work in the Church business, where they are given tasks to maintain an earthly church, but God is not in that church.

His kingdom is not seen by the world.

What is your business? Kingdom business or Church business?

May Jesus bless you.

May Jesus bless you too, Ramon.

 

[Scotth1960]

Church business isn't kingdom business. Jesus has nothing to do with Church business.

Church business is how many people you can get to go to your church so you can get tithes to build more churches.

Church business is about what doctrines please the crowd.

Church business is not about saving souls.

Church business is not about the truth.

Church business is about lazy idle people who serve Mammon in the name of Jesus Christ.

But kingdom business is about saving souls. About the preaching of repentance. It is about turning away from sin, and serving the Lord Jesus Christ and HIM ALONE.

It is about seeking FIRST, the kingdom of heaven and HIS righteousness.

It is about the Truth, Jesus Christ!!!


So, Ramon, you just contradicted yourself (equivocated)!


Idle people work in the Church business, where they are given tasks to maintain an earthly church, but God is not in that church.

His kingdom is not seen by the world.

What is your business? Kingdom business or Church business?

May Jesus bless you.

 

[loveschild]

you've been attending the wrong churches if their business is not also God's business. Jesus has everything to do with churches He has raised up pastors to shepherd His sheep and feed Meat to His adolescent children.

Anyone should have gotten Ramon's point that the churches are wrong. They are serving them selves and not God.

 

[kev360]

so, are you going to sit here and complain about it, or are you going to do something about it?

 

[Ramon]

so, are you going to sit here and complain about it, or are you going to do something about it?

That is one thing I am really afraid of, and just a while ago, I felt my first real contact with this issue.

Perhaps maybe the Lord will send me to many churches with the real gospel. He is teaching me and training me foremost in love and patience and gentleness and meekness.

Why? It is because without these, I could not continue til the end. Without all of these things built up in me, in the love of God, I could not continue on, even if it meant my death.

One of the biggest things I will face is religions of men. And since I am fearful, I have not yet been made perfect in love. Love of who? Of God, and of you my friend.

Because if I loved my neighbor and God, I would not sit by while they perish, but try to help.

And you don't even have to yell the gospel for it to be hated to those who hate the truth. Just a simple calm and Word from the Lord is enough to set off a flame of fire from hell!

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Ramon]

you've been attending the wrong churches if their business is not also God's business. Jesus has everything to do with churches He has raised up pastors to shepherd His sheep and feed Meat to His adolescent children.

Most of these pastors are the pastors of the prophesy, that they have forsaken the flock, and have lead them astray. But they are not the good shepherd. But they are hirelings, because they only work for the pay. They give expecting something in return. And when the wolves come they run off and are afraid. I even saw a pastor cower in front of a bunch of people when he was asked if anyone can be saved apart from Jesus. I was ashamed.

What we do have is a bunch of powerless seducers. And these people are the main blockage from people entering the kingdom of God. As he said, neither do they go in themselves.

They lay heavy burdens on people, and don't put in finger in to lift it!!!! Graves walking. Whitewashed sepulchers. Hypocrites! Liars and THIEVES!!

And according to the prophecy, they have robbed God, both in tithe and in offering. And are cursed with a curse, even this whole generation!! Even from the days of their forefathers!!

Now, it is time to return to God, and he will return to them. If they will not return, they will be cut off and rooted up.

So, John came preaching in the wilderness REPENT!! FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!!

May Jesus bless you.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

If what you say is true to you, you are going to the wrong church. Not all of the churches are so luke warm. Maybe you should try to find a differnt church.

 

[Ramon]

If what you say is true to you, you are going to the wrong church. Not all of the churches are so luke warm. Maybe you should try to find a differnt church.

There is only one church I am concerned with attending, and that is the one where the Holy Spirit is doing the ministry.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Scotth1960]

loveschild: Anyone should have gotten Ramon's point that the churches are wrong. They are serving them selves and not God.

scotth1960:
1 Timothy 3:15 doesn't say that the Church can be wrong. It says the Church is "the pillar and ground of the truth". Perhaps you don't believe the Bible, then, dear loveschild! The Protestant sects are not churches and they are wrong because they were founded by men; they weren't founded by Christ, or by any of the apostles of Christ and their succeeders, the bishops of the One Church (Eph. 4).

 

[Muskokaman]

Church business isn't kingdom business. Jesus has nothing to do with Church business.

Church business is how many people you can get to go to your church so you can get tithes to build more churches.

Church business is about what doctrines please the crowd.

Church business is not about saving souls.

Church business is not about the truth.

Church business is about lazy idle people who serve Mammon in the name of Jesus Christ.

But kingdom business is about saving souls. About the preaching of repentance. It is about turning away from sin, and serving the Lord Jesus Christ and HIM ALONE.

It is about seeking FIRST, the kingdom of heaven and HIS righteousness.

It is about the Truth, Jesus Christ!!!

Idle people work in the Church business, where they are given tasks to maintain an earthly church, but God is not in that church.

His kingdom is not seen by the world.

What is your business? Kingdom business or Church business?

May Jesus bless you.

Hey Ramon Just a little clarification on the whole church thingy

I agree with you if what your saying is anti-institutional BUT the church in the truest sense of the word are the believers not the institutions!

Seek ye first the kingdom of God

It is very prideful to say that God does not reside within any church as you cannot verify this perhaps it would be better stated that There is Gods business and there is the devils business rather than Church and Kingdom saves for a lot of defense reitteration later.

May God Bless you always

 

[Ramon]

Hey Ramon Just a little clarification on the whole church thingy

I agree with you if what your saying is anti-institutional BUT the church in the truest sense of the word are the believers not the institutions!

Seek ye first the kingdom of God

It is very prideful to say that God does not reside within any church as you cannot verify this perhaps it would be better stated that There is Gods business and there is the devils business rather than Church and Kingdom saves for a lot of defense reitteration later.

May God Bless you always

God does not live in buildings built with the hands of men, neither does his kingdom come in an earthly form. Neither could David, nor Solomon build him a house to dwell in.

Now, that temple was destroyed, as you have read, but was God destroyed with it? No!!! But God has established his temple, and the King, Jesus Christ, who sits on the throne of David! An everlasting throne, and temple, which will NEVER BE DESTROYED!

That is how he could say, ''THOU HAST NOT SUFFERED THINE HOLY ONE TO SEE CORRUPTION!!''

The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth reigns in this Holy temple, which is not defiled. He is King of this kingdom, which men cannot enter into but by him.

God doesn't live in men's temples. He lives in his Holy temple.

May Jesus bless you.

P.S And the complete thing is:

But seek ye first the KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...''

 

[AnandaHya]

Anyone should have gotten Ramon's point that the churches are wrong. They are serving them selves and not God.

Anyone who has attended a church that is actually lead by the HOLY Spirit and grounded in His Holy Word can see my point that all churches are NOT wrong or self serving and there are some who truly seek God.

All I see is self justified excuses to sin and say it is not sin in avoiding actually seeking a fellowship with other corporal believers lead by the Holy Spirit so that you might learn to function like a member of the BODY of Christ and not just some disconnected organ that does nothing but try and survive. unable to relate to others in a real and meaningful way past a computer screen.

God did not make computers for us to relate to others. there is a reason God sent people out two by two into the world and the disciples gathered together for worship, praise, encouragement, exhortation, edification and comfort

where is the grace, mercy, love and compassion in your eyes for the lost if you think they are so lost and misguided?

yes there are some that are synagogues of satan but why do you attend them and call them Christian but do not seek TRUE churches that are lead and attended by TRUE people of God?

why do you expect perfection from others when you do not meet the requirement yourself? where is grace? where is love? where is the room to learn and comfort and edify?

yes some pastors are hirelings, find one who is not.

God has blessed my life by introducing a handful who spend hours in prayer and hours in ministry and hours visiting others and doing things most would not even think to thank them for with no or little pay.

 

[Ramon]

Anyone who has attended a church that is actually lead by the HOLY Spirit and grounded in His Holy Word can see my point that all churches are NOT wrong or self serving and there are some who truly seek God.

All I see is self justified excuses to sin and say it is not sin in avoiding actually seeking a fellowship with other corporal believers lead by the Holy Spirit so that you might learn to function like a member of the BODY of Christ and not just some disconnected organ that does nothing but try and survive. unable to relate to others in a real and meaningful way past a computer screen.

God did not make computers for us to relate to others. there is a reason God sent people out two by two into the world and the disciples gathered together for worship, praise, encouragement, exhortation, edification and comfort

where is the grace, mercy, love and compassion in your eyes for the lost if you think they are so lost and misguided?

yes there are some that are synagogues of satan but why do you attend them and call them Christian but do not seek TRUE churches that are lead and attended by TRUE people of God?

why do you expect perfection from others when you do not meet the requirement yourself? where is grace? where is love? where is the room to learn and comfort and edify?

yes some pastors are hirelings, find one who is not.

God has blessed my life by introducing a handful who spend hours in prayer and hours in ministry and hours visiting others and doing things most would not even think to thank them for with no or little pay.

There is another blindness that I see.

I hear of grace and love and mercy and I hear of no repentance. What this becomes is idleness and rebellion. So many are seduced into the lies that they don't need to repent.

What the false Christians say is, ''God is love,'' but they don't have love in them. Or they say, ''God is merciful,'' but they don't show mercy.''

They have not repented of sin. They think grace is an excuse to sin. Meanwhile they have church service with feel good messages about material wealth and such nonsense.

Many don't believe the Holy Ghost is real, that he is some feeling, or some emotion.

I will let the Holy Spirit be my Pastor, and any man that wants to be lead by him also, he can be my Pastor.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Muskokaman]

God does not live in buildings built with the hands of men, neither does his kingdom come in an earthly form. Neither could David, nor Solomon build him a house to dwell in.

Now, that temple was destroyed, as you have read, but was God destroyed with it? No!!! But God has established his temple, and the King, Jesus Christ, who sits on the throne of David! An everlasting throne, and temple, which will NEVER BE DESTROYED!

That is how he could say, ''THOU HAST NOT SUFFERED THINE HOLY ONE TO SEE CORRUPTION!!''

The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth reigns in this Holy temple, which is not defiled. He is King of this kingdom, which men cannot enter into but by him.

God doesn't live in men's temples. He lives in his Holy temple.

May Jesus bless you.

P.S And the complete thing is:

But seek ye first the KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...''

1 Thanks for the finish of my sentence of quote(although tthat was not my intent and I am familiar with it )

2 I Never said God lives in Buildings that is your interpretation of my words not my meaning

3 I don't mind that you play Paul the apostle or John the Baptist on here I suppose you mean well but sometimes you miss the point entirely and come across as very condescending with your retorts please review yourself and pray for wisdom in this matter.
This is not meant to sound preachy only advise you may wish to consider.

May God Bless you

Selah

 

[Scotth1960]

God does not live in buildings built with the hands of men, neither does his kingdom come in an earthly form. Neither could David, nor Solomon build him a house to dwell in.

Now, that temple was destroyed, as you have read, but was God destroyed with it? No!!! But God has established his temple, and the King, Jesus Christ, who sits on the throne of David! An everlasting throne, and temple, which will NEVER BE DESTROYED!

That is how he could say, ''THOU HAST NOT SUFFERED THINE HOLY ONE TO SEE CORRUPTION!!''

The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth reigns in this Holy temple, which is not defiled. He is King of this kingdom, which men cannot enter into but by him.

God doesn't live in men's temples. He lives in his Holy temple.

May Jesus bless you.

P.S And the complete thing is:

But seek ye first the KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...''

If God doesn't live in temples built with man's hands, then God is not everywhere. But God IS everywhere. Therefore, God does live in temples built with men's hands.
It is illogical to say there is a place where God is not present. The Omnipresence of God is one of God's attributes. We don't know everything that there is to know about God by knowing His knowable attributes, but we can begin to know the Mystery Who is God by knowing about the various attributes of God. God IS everywhere. And in churches. Church buildings. God is in holy thoughts. He is not present in the wicked thoughts that human beings sometimes have. That is why people have to be born again (John 3:3,5,16) to be saved, they have to receive a new heart and new mind and a new spirit by being washed by God through faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16). God wills to save all men and give them new hearts, and to teach them His words, so they can think thoughts that are pleasing to Him. Without Christ we can do nothing (John 15); we need God's mercy to be saved (Titus 3:5). Lord have mercy on all of us. Amen.

 

[AnandaHya]

There is another blindness that I see.

I hear of grace and love and mercy and I hear of no repentance. What this becomes is idleness and rebellion. So many are seduced into the lies that they don't need to repent.

What the false Christians say is, ''God is love,'' but they don't have love in them. Or they say, ''God is merciful,'' but they don't show mercy.''

They have not repented of sin. They think grace is an excuse to sin. Meanwhile they have church service with feel good messages about material wealth and such nonsense.

Many don't believe the Holy Ghost is real, that he is some feeling, or some emotion.

I will let the Holy Spirit be my Pastor, and any man that wants to be lead by him also, he can be my Pastor.

May Jesus bless you.

There is another deafness that I hear.

I see words of repentance and law. what this becomes is legalistic reotoric and rebellion. So many are seduced into the lies that they do not need to fellowship with others.

What the prideful Christians say is "God is not there" but they do not have love in them. Or they say "God is just" but they do not judge justly.

they have not repented of sin. they think grace is an excuse to sin. Meanwhile they look at false churches and claim that is the only kind in the world and refuse to look for true fellowship guided by the Holy Spirit.

Many don't believe that True fellowship and annointed overseers are real, that they have feelings and sound doctrine and hearts striving to do God's will.

some refuse to see that the body is more then just the Head and that all members should learn to get along with other members.

alright Ramon, you set up a term/strawman then decide to take pot shots at it. IN this case you label it "church business"

just recognize that not all churches are as your words portray them to be.

some actually do as you term "kingdom business" on a daily basis.

May God keep and guide you towards His truth and a church that is truly moved by His Spirit and not the lies of this world.