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and this builds up God's church and is relevant to the topic, how?
can you take your ad hominem attacks somewhere else?
you don't agree with her, we get that, and you point about how the Christ's church looks like is.....?
or is this an example of what should NOT occur?
take it to another thread. I might even meet you there.
can you take your ad hominem attacks somewhere else?
you don't agree with her, we get that, and you point about how the Christ's church looks like is.....?
or is this an example of what should NOT occur?
take it to another thread. I might even meet you there.
Why did you not say this to the other?????????????????????
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the other???
you see another not talking about CHURCH and the expectations of church but attacking someone on an issue not relevant with the words said?
I may not agree with everything everyone else says concerning the topic. Silence does not imply acceptance or approval, but people are entitled to express themselves.
If you find offense perhaps you should speak up concerning it or allow individuals to fight their own fight or ignore the comment as the spirit moves them?
there is already at least two threads addressing Red's issues with Zone. It was a request that he move his issues to another thread.
Would you rather I remain silent and we watch them duke it out then?
you see another not talking about CHURCH and the expectations of church but attacking someone on an issue not relevant with the words said?
I may not agree with everything everyone else says concerning the topic. Silence does not imply acceptance or approval, but people are entitled to express themselves.
If you find offense perhaps you should speak up concerning it or allow individuals to fight their own fight or ignore the comment as the spirit moves them?
there is already at least two threads addressing Red's issues with Zone. It was a request that he move his issues to another thread.
Would you rather I remain silent and we watch them duke it out then?
Church should look like we love each other. They shall know we are Christians by our love. It should be done decently and in order like the Scripture says. I believe Church should be lead by men of God who are trained in the Bible's doctrines and know what they are talking about. I believe that we are the light of the World and can not be hid. We should not hide it! You do not light a candle and hide it under a bushel. I believe Church should be like family, because we are brothers and sisters.
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hate to break it to you but probably not distinguishable by most who are not part of either.
you would see a big difference between Pentecostal and Baptist services too but I don't think outwardly worship matters as much as the inward moving of the Holy Spirit which can be present in any denomination according to God's will not ours.
you would see a big difference between Pentecostal and Baptist services too but I don't think outwardly worship matters as much as the inward moving of the Holy Spirit which can be present in any denomination according to God's will not ours.
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AnandaHya,
This is a very good thread and I hope many respond to it, especially those that do not have a local church and have this conviction in their heart to be a part of one. You have many good and balanced things to say about the church and continue with that edification.
This how Red acts------you jumped on him and you did not stay out of it.
Ok I watched some. How is it different than Catholic church? I'm sorry but that is just weird. Anyone speak that language? Why are they singing the bible all strange? Why is there a giant dead Jesus hanging? Looks like all that stuff cost lots of money. Whats going on with all the old pictures? Do you really go to such a place? What's wrong with the real world and real churches? And real clothes for that matter? I'm sorry I don't understand this. I would turn past that channel real fast too. I'm sorry I don't get it. Trying to live in some pastness or what? I wish I could say something good. The walking with the golden book what was that? I'm sorry I'm really not trying to be offense to you. I don't understand this?
D
Jesus' Church looks like Him.
I think it should be operate close to this: (i dont agree with nee on all thigns but i think the first part of this article has ALLOT of good points)--->The Local Churches - Watchman Nee
And even in differences of opinion, delt simmilar to this: --->Having a Teachable Spirit when there are Differences - Asa Mahan and this----->How To Settle Any Disagreement Between Two Christians in 35 Simple Steps
I think that the growth of the church happens in a great part, individually, and MANY have an error in thinking --->~ Errors In Thinking ~
Then after the individual Growth, the Church as a city, as a WHOLE needs to work on there purpose. Im NOT talkign abot Rick warren kind of purpose, But Gods eternal purpose.--->~ Mystery Of The Wisdom Of God ~
"What kind of a church can there be that does not make as its first priority the taking to itself of God's eternal purpose. A church that does not live for the eternal purpose of God is not living. It is nothing more than a succession of mere services. It has lost or never had this vital perspective as the reason for its being.
A believer that has been gripped or apprehended by this understanding cannot possibly be bored.
The magnitude of this eternal purpose and this demonstration is of such a kind that it cannot be made by mere individuals alone. It has got to be made by the entire church or not made at all. It requires an entire people freed from the influence of the principalities and the powers of the air, a people who are not insecure, fearful, living for themselves, who are gloriously freed from mammon, who are indifferent to shopping malls, who can have their car crunched in an accident and walk away smiling, who can suffer affliction and inexplicable things without coming undone and who can receive the stripping of their earthly goods with joy, knowing that they have in heaven a more enduring substance. In fact, the only people who can fulfill this mystery are those who would be strangers, pilgrims and sojourners in the earth. They have risen above and beyond their national culture.
They are not fearful, but gloriously free from intimidation and threat. They know that their security is not from the Government or their employer but from God, and if that should dry up, the Lord has alternative sources, and if it pleases Him not to provide for them, then they will prefer to die in faith than that they should subsist and prolong their bodily life by initiating out of ourselves some course of action."
I also think we need to change WHAT our ideas of a "gathering" is.--->Why I hate the doctrines of grace Flee from Babylon… AKA Modern American Christianity
"...To put it another way, where one man stands and preaches every Sunday there is a lack of grace to some degree. I know what I am writing applies to many well meaning Godly men, some even used mightily of the Lord despite their falling short in this area, but this does not make it any less true. A local Church may make up for this lack by way of being strong in other areas, but there is a lack none the less.
Looking at the clear, living, and powerful word of God, we see that Christ has not only led captivity captive, but He also gave gifts to men. These gifts do not only included teaching, but also prophesy, speaking in tongues, exhortation, giving, healing, evangelizing, and so forth. This differs greatly from the reformed crowd that teaches that Christ has led captivity captive, but has only given a teaching gift – and that to the senior pastor. What’s worse is when senior pastors come right out and say they believe the other gifts to the church have ceased. So instead of the grace of God being manifest through the many membered body, the focus becomes on expository preaching, performed by a senior pastor that holds an unbiblical position. How such a senior pastor can stand and teach that all other gifts have ceased besides his make believe super teaching one is beyond me.
The need of the Church is not expository preaching
The Church arguably needs expository teaching, with gifted elders who labor in the word, but not expository preaching. Preaching in the New Testament is primarily for the open air and in church planting, not for the weekly meeting until the end of time. Yet one of the major focuses of those who promote the doctrines of grace is on the expository preaching of these doctrines to the church. This is accomplished by standing at a pulpit and dominating the church meeting week after week with such. The thinking must go something like this “I will mature the body of Christ by preaching great truths, even at the expense of retarding the body of Christ by refusing the means of truth by which God has ordained to mature it”. Read that last sentence again
I think it should be operate close to this: (i dont agree with nee on all thigns but i think the first part of this article has ALLOT of good points)--->The Local Churches - Watchman Nee
And even in differences of opinion, delt simmilar to this: --->Having a Teachable Spirit when there are Differences - Asa Mahan and this----->How To Settle Any Disagreement Between Two Christians in 35 Simple Steps
I think that the growth of the church happens in a great part, individually, and MANY have an error in thinking --->~ Errors In Thinking ~
Then after the individual Growth, the Church as a city, as a WHOLE needs to work on there purpose. Im NOT talkign abot Rick warren kind of purpose, But Gods eternal purpose.--->~ Mystery Of The Wisdom Of God ~
"What kind of a church can there be that does not make as its first priority the taking to itself of God's eternal purpose. A church that does not live for the eternal purpose of God is not living. It is nothing more than a succession of mere services. It has lost or never had this vital perspective as the reason for its being.
A believer that has been gripped or apprehended by this understanding cannot possibly be bored.
The magnitude of this eternal purpose and this demonstration is of such a kind that it cannot be made by mere individuals alone. It has got to be made by the entire church or not made at all. It requires an entire people freed from the influence of the principalities and the powers of the air, a people who are not insecure, fearful, living for themselves, who are gloriously freed from mammon, who are indifferent to shopping malls, who can have their car crunched in an accident and walk away smiling, who can suffer affliction and inexplicable things without coming undone and who can receive the stripping of their earthly goods with joy, knowing that they have in heaven a more enduring substance. In fact, the only people who can fulfill this mystery are those who would be strangers, pilgrims and sojourners in the earth. They have risen above and beyond their national culture.
They are not fearful, but gloriously free from intimidation and threat. They know that their security is not from the Government or their employer but from God, and if that should dry up, the Lord has alternative sources, and if it pleases Him not to provide for them, then they will prefer to die in faith than that they should subsist and prolong their bodily life by initiating out of ourselves some course of action."
I also think we need to change WHAT our ideas of a "gathering" is.--->Why I hate the doctrines of grace Flee from Babylon… AKA Modern American Christianity
"...To put it another way, where one man stands and preaches every Sunday there is a lack of grace to some degree. I know what I am writing applies to many well meaning Godly men, some even used mightily of the Lord despite their falling short in this area, but this does not make it any less true. A local Church may make up for this lack by way of being strong in other areas, but there is a lack none the less.
Looking at the clear, living, and powerful word of God, we see that Christ has not only led captivity captive, but He also gave gifts to men. These gifts do not only included teaching, but also prophesy, speaking in tongues, exhortation, giving, healing, evangelizing, and so forth. This differs greatly from the reformed crowd that teaches that Christ has led captivity captive, but has only given a teaching gift – and that to the senior pastor. What’s worse is when senior pastors come right out and say they believe the other gifts to the church have ceased. So instead of the grace of God being manifest through the many membered body, the focus becomes on expository preaching, performed by a senior pastor that holds an unbiblical position. How such a senior pastor can stand and teach that all other gifts have ceased besides his make believe super teaching one is beyond me.
The need of the Church is not expository preaching
The Church arguably needs expository teaching, with gifted elders who labor in the word, but not expository preaching. Preaching in the New Testament is primarily for the open air and in church planting, not for the weekly meeting until the end of time. Yet one of the major focuses of those who promote the doctrines of grace is on the expository preaching of these doctrines to the church. This is accomplished by standing at a pulpit and dominating the church meeting week after week with such. The thinking must go something like this “I will mature the body of Christ by preaching great truths, even at the expense of retarding the body of Christ by refusing the means of truth by which God has ordained to mature it”. Read that last sentence again
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AnandaHya,
This is a very good thread and I hope many respond to it, especially those that do not have a local church and have this conviction in their heart to be a part of one. You have many good and balanced things to say about the church and continue with that edification.
This how Red acts------you jumped on him and you did not stay out of it.
Somehow I got under her skin and she can't handle it and has to let me know what she thinks. She is one of many that if put through a trial in the local church, would probably take sides against the leadership no matter how much they laid their life down for the brethren. She loves God but is a little pseudo in certain areas concerning relationships that are rooted in conviction and in a love that is based on knowledge and judgment and not some emotional rapport. That is where she is at and has a problem receiving instructions.
I have been trough a few trials within a fruitful church and have dealt with many that turned to slander and malignity because it was in their heart and most never recover. They wanted everything to be nice and comfortable in the church and when God shook it up through a major trial they turned away because they walked by sight and evaluated based upon how they and others were being effected in their emotions and in their relationship with others. They never grasped that a friend loves at all times and a brother is born for adversity. The trial revealed what was in their heart and the kind of faith they were trusting in and that's what trials do. If their faith is God's faith they will come out as purified gold but if not, they will be negative and reactionary and will have much to say about how they were treated.
A
ROFL! *wipes away tears of laughter*. You're not weird Abiding. You're just right. I am a member of two assemblies. The first is Saddleback Church and they are just like a big giant Christian starbucks brother. The second is a small on fire revival holy roller church that is not. And it's OK! 
. No cream, no sugar, black and piping hot please.
. No cream, no sugar, black and piping hot please.
A
mmm how's the air up there?
Linda no one has "attacked" Red. I responded to his post. I did not agree with his assessment, found some of his reasoning and methods to be illogical, unbiblical and unchristian and stated such. that is not an attack.
its a statement.
My disagreement with Red does not mean I do not have faith in Church or do not submit to authority of a God raised Holy Spirit lead pastor or teacher.
I just do not recognize RED as any sort of authority over me and that gets under his skin. I do not bow to his wishes and hold him accountable for his words and actions including the lies and slander he likes to sling around under the pretense of piety.
Linda no one has "attacked" Red. I responded to his post. I did not agree with his assessment, found some of his reasoning and methods to be illogical, unbiblical and unchristian and stated such. that is not an attack.
its a statement.
My disagreement with Red does not mean I do not have faith in Church or do not submit to authority of a God raised Holy Spirit lead pastor or teacher.
I just do not recognize RED as any sort of authority over me and that gets under his skin. I do not bow to his wishes and hold him accountable for his words and actions including the lies and slander he likes to sling around under the pretense of piety.
A
one of the things I like about the communities I have lived in are the interdenominational events and activities that many churches engage in.
For example locally the women from seven or eight different churches get together and host something called the tour of tables. each table has a hostess that are given a verse of the Bible and they decorate the table according to whatever theme the Bible verse inspires. then they sell tickets for seats and raise money for the local Community in Schools to help the kids have tutors, school supplies, etc. I attended it last year and it was a very wonderful event. the men volunteered and served the food and there was a great guest speaker and it was very encouraging to see a couple hundred Christian women fellowshiping together and discussing the various scriptures.
I also love the interdenominational prayer meetings that are hosted every Saturday to pray for the community and the world and the smaller meetings that pray specifically for the community pastors and churches or the teachers and kids and their education. Remembering always Jesus and His love.
Mark 9
38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our[c] side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
For example locally the women from seven or eight different churches get together and host something called the tour of tables. each table has a hostess that are given a verse of the Bible and they decorate the table according to whatever theme the Bible verse inspires. then they sell tickets for seats and raise money for the local Community in Schools to help the kids have tutors, school supplies, etc. I attended it last year and it was a very wonderful event. the men volunteered and served the food and there was a great guest speaker and it was very encouraging to see a couple hundred Christian women fellowshiping together and discussing the various scriptures.
I also love the interdenominational prayer meetings that are hosted every Saturday to pray for the community and the world and the smaller meetings that pray specifically for the community pastors and churches or the teachers and kids and their education. Remembering always Jesus and His love.
Mark 9
38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our[c] side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.