We Are No Longer Under Law But Under Grace! What Does That Really Mean?

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JohnChingford2007

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Jesus said we are not to call ourselves teachers.
Look at the context behind why Jesus said that. He was referring to the pharissees, and rabbis who were lording it over their flock. Jesus was addressing the hypocritical proud attitude and the power hungry behaviour. Jesus said that we should not be like them, lording our authority over others. We should not take a position of power but should humble ourselves. Jesus was not saying that Christians should not teach. In fact He said "go into all the world making disciples and TEACHING them ..........." Jesus made disciples teaching them how to make disciples. Jesus was teaching against individuals holding the office of "teacher" and insisting they be called rabbi, elder, father etc etc. In the church God has given us teachers - not the office of teacher, but those filled with the Holy Spirit able to teach. In Hebrews it says that we should ALL become teachers, not remain babies on milk. Paul told Timothy to appoint those who had the ability to teach. The list goes on and on.
 
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Lookm at the context behind why Jesus said that. He was referring to the pharissees, and rabbis who were lording it over their flock. Jesus was addressing the hypocritical proud attitude and the power hungry behaviour. Jesus said that we should not be like them, lording our authority over others. We should not take a position of power but should humble ourselves. Jesus was not saying that Christians should not teach. In fact He said "go into all the world making disciples and TEACHING them ..........." Jesus made disciples teaching them how to make disciples. Jesus was teaching against individuals holding the office of "teacher" and insisting they be called rabbi, elder, father etc etc. In the church God has given us teachers - not the office of teacher, but those filled with the Holy Spirit able to teach. In Hebrews it says that we should ALL become teachers, not remain babies on milk. Paul told Timothy to appoint those who had the ability to teach. The list goes on and on.
Jesus was talking to all of us. He told us to repent. In other words, we are to stop sinning.

When we stop sinning, our problems disappear. That is why he told us to do it.

It is better simply to repent than to look for reasons not to repent. After all, it is what our Lord told us to do.
 
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JohnChingford2007

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R33

Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying. We seem to be talking about 2 different things. You state that Jesus said that we do not need teachers. I have shown (through the scriptures and through what Jesus also said) that God HAS given us teachers. You then link my answer with "we should stop sinning". What has that got to do with anything I have written? I am soirry if I am "thick" or something, but I don't get it. I agree that we should stop sinning. With God's help through the Holy Spirit we CAN stop sinning.
 
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R33

Sorry but I cannot understand what you are saying. We seem to be talking about 2 different things. You state that Jesus said that we do not need teachers. I have shown (through the scriptures and through what Jesus also said) that God HAS given us teachers. You then link my answer with "we should stop sinning". What has that got to do with anything I have written? I am soirry if I am "thick" or something, but I don't get it. I agree that we should stop sinning. With God's help through the Holy Spirit we CAN stop sinning.
You are quoting Paul. I am quoting Jesus.
 
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You are quoting Paul. I am quoting Jesus.


I'm with John on this one. I could quote a hundred things that Jesus said, but what's the point of doing that here? I see no tie between the OP and the post that John is questioning. Did you have a reason to quote Jesus in this thread? What do you think it contributes? And above all else, how does it tie in?
 
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I'm with John on this one. I could quote a hundred things that Jesus said, but what's the point of doing that here? I see no tie between the OP and the post that John is questioning. Did you have a reason to quote Jesus in this thread? What do you think it contributes? And above all else, how does it tie in?
I think people should repent of their sin:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

I have learned that when I refrain from sin, life is paradise.

This idea that you don’t have to repent of your sin is dangerous, I believe. Jesus told us to repent. We should simply do it.
 
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I'm with John on this one. I could quote a hundred things that Jesus said, but what's the point of doing that here? I see no tie between the OP and the post that John is questioning. Did you have a reason to quote Jesus in this thread? What do you think it contributes? And above all else, how does it tie in?
Okay, I’ll try harder.

The Lord died for our sins. We don’t have to worry about sins from the past.

However, the Lord expects us to repent of our sin, and if we don’t, the consequences can be harsh.
 
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The Two greatest commandments fulfill the law. If we do what God tells us to do in the New Testament we can be sure we are doing God's will.
 
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Okay, I’ll try harder.

The Lord died for our sins. We don’t have to worry about sins from the past.

However, the Lord expects us to repent of our sin, and if we don’t, the consequences can be harsh.
Alright, re-reading the OP I think i understand now. I'm curious, though; by returning to your more general argument, you seem to have chosen not to further defend the position you took that "Jesus said we are not to call ourselves teachers." This was confusing because there wasn't (and still doesn't seem to be) a connection between the specific post you quoted(dealing with teaching or not teaching) and the contents of that post.
 
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Laodicea

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Rules?

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LEGASLIST!
Would you call Jesus a legalist?
Matthew 19:16-17
(16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
(17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Would you call Paul a Legalist?
Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:15
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 7:25

(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Would you call James a legalist?
James 2:10-11
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:17-18
(17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Would you call John a legalist?
1 John 2:3-4
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Would you prefer people not teach to keep the commandments? Satan is the one who wants us to sin, the issue in the great controversy has always been over the commandments of God.

A legalist is someone who teaches salvation by works but to teach to keep the commandments out of love for God is not legalism, the result of faith is good works.
Ephesians 2:8-10
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.







 
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Laodicea

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The Two greatest commandments fulfill the law. If we do what God tells us to do in the New Testament we can be sure we are doing God's will.
Exodus 31:18
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
 
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Alright, re-reading the OP I think i understand now. I'm curious, though; by returning to your more general argument, you seem to have chosen not to further defend the position you took that "Jesus said we are not to call ourselves teachers." This was confusing because there wasn't (and still doesn't seem to be) a connection between the specific post you quoted(dealing with teaching or not teaching) and the contents of that post.
I believe the post you are referring to opened by mentioning teachers, as if teachers can nullify what Jesus already taught us—that we need to repent of our sin.
 
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Would you call Jesus a legalist?
Matthew 19:16-17
(16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
(17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Would you call Paul a Legalist?
Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:15
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 7:25

(25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Would you call James a legalist?
James 2:10-11
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:17-18
(17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Would you call John a legalist?
1 John 2:3-4
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Would you prefer people not teach to keep the commandments? Satan is the one who wants us to sin, the issue in the great controversy has always been over the commandments of God.

A legalist is someone who teaches salvation by works but to teach to keep the commandments out of love for God is not legalism, the result of faith is good works.
Ephesians 2:8-10
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I would prefer you preach Christ crucified. you can cherry pick all the verses from Jesus and the apostles regarding keeping commandments...but they concentrated on Jesus work not ours.

Christians keep the commandments of God. You dont need to keep going on about it.
 
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Abiding

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I wish people would just believe the gospel. And really understood Grace.
Until I understood grace...I had no love for the commandments. And no
Love for God.
 
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JohnChingford2007

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Evolution is destroyed by biblical geocentricity.

Planet means 'wanderer'.

The universe cannot be geocentric (and actually geostatic) if the Earth is wandering around everywhere.

Biblical Geocentricity
Hi Dr S

Until you mentioned Geocentricity, I did not know what that term meant. I have now read through a number of articles explaining it. Sorry, but I cannot accept geocentricity as being of logical sense to me. It cannot be proved and denying Geocentricity does not deny the literal wordings of scripture. For those who don't know what I am talking about, Geoc....... tell us that the bible teaches that the Earth does not move and that the whole universe rotates around the Earth. So instead of the Earth spinning, it is the universe that spins.

Actually the Bible does not specifically and unequivocally teach that the Earth does not move. There are verses that could be interpreted to mean that the Earth does not move, but they are vague and would need to be read out of context. As always, we need to get our theology correct by comparing scripture with scripture, comparing the WHOLE teaching of the Bible. For example, today we might say "wow the sun was hot today". The fact is that the sun is always hot, it is just that it "felt" hot today because the weather was such.

Here is a good link showing the errors of geocentricity more detailed.

Geocentricity and Creation
 
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Hi Dr S

Until you mentioned Geocentricity, I did not know what that term meant. I have now read through a number of articles explaining it. Sorry, but I cannot accept geocentricity as being of logical sense to me. It cannot be proved and denying Geocentricity does not deny the literal wordings of scripture. For those who don't know what I am talking about, Geoc....... tell us that the bible teaches that the Earth does not move and that the whole universe rotates around the Earth. So instead of the Earth spinning, it is the universe that spins.

Actually the Bible does not specifically and unequivocally teach that the Earth does not move. There are verses that could be interpreted to mean that the Earth does not move, but they are vague and would need to be read out of context. As always, we need to get our theology correct by comparing scripture with scripture, comparing the WHOLE teaching of the Bible. For example, today we might say "wow the sun was hot today". The fact is that the sun is always hot, it is just that it "felt" hot today because the weather was such.

Here is a good link showing the errors of geocentricity more detailed.

Geocentricity and Creation
We'll just do this on one thread shall we?

LINK ::: The Bible: Literal Fact
 
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AnandaHya

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Hi Dr S

Until you mentioned Geocentricity, I did not know what that term meant. I have now read through a number of articles explaining it. Sorry, but I cannot accept geocentricity as being of logical sense to me. It cannot be proved and denying Geocentricity does not deny the literal wordings of scripture. For those who don't know what I am talking about, Geoc....... tell us that the bible teaches that the Earth does not move and that the whole universe rotates around the Earth. So instead of the Earth spinning, it is the universe that spins.

Actually the Bible does not specifically and unequivocally teach that the Earth does not move. There are verses that could be interpreted to mean that the Earth does not move, but they are vague and would need to be read out of context. As always, we need to get our theology correct by comparing scripture with scripture, comparing the WHOLE teaching of the Bible. For example, today we might say "wow the sun was hot today". The fact is that the sun is always hot, it is just that it "felt" hot today because the weather was such.

Here is a good link showing the errors of geocentricity more detailed.

Geocentricity and Creation
yeah Geocentricity just seems off to me and I don't understand why people think its Biblical, but i'll withhold comment and do more research on the topic......