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Matthew chapter 5 and Matthew chapter 19 give Jesus' teaching on Divorce and Remarriage. There is only one allowance for divorce, fornication. If you divorce and it is not because of fornication; it is not a valid divorce, so you cause your spouse to commit adultery when they remarry (because you are still married.) If either one of the two people gets remarried (when it is not a valid divorce) they are commiting adultery, because they are still married to each other whither they like it or not.
The whole thing is about the fact that if it's not a valid divorce then you are commiting adultery when you remarry. Both people could be commiting adultery if they both remarry.
The whole thing is about the fact that if it's not a valid divorce then you are commiting adultery when you remarry. Both people could be commiting adultery if they both remarry.
Stop putting people under condemnation and a lifetime of guilt and forced celebacy just because you accept a tradition of men and can't exegete scripture properly.
To the OP...
In Matt. 5 & 19, Jesus is addressing GUILTY husbands VERBALLY "putting away" their INNOCENT wives without a written Bill of Divorcement required by the Law. This wrongly branded the wives and their future husbands as adulterers. The husbands were exploiting a loophole from the ancient Babylonian Code that allowed verbally putting away a wife. They were keeping the dowries and forcing their innocent homeless wives to either return in shame to their fathers' household or resort to prostitution to survive.
The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 refers to giving a writ of divorcement, leaving both free to remarry.
The Matt. fornication references were for unlawful marriages (like those in Ezra 10+), which didn't require a writ.
Note: When we read Jesus saying, "You've heard it said...", He's correcting oral teachings and/or fulfilling them.
To the OP...
In Matt. 5 & 19, Jesus is addressing GUILTY husbands VERBALLY "putting away" their INNOCENT wives without a written Bill of Divorcement required by the Law. This wrongly branded the wives and their future husbands as adulterers. The husbands were exploiting a loophole from the ancient Babylonian Code that allowed verbally putting away a wife. They were keeping the dowries and forcing their innocent homeless wives to either return in shame to their fathers' household or resort to prostitution to survive.
The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 refers to giving a writ of divorcement, leaving both free to remarry.
The Matt. fornication references were for unlawful marriages (like those in Ezra 10+), which didn't require a writ.
Note: When we read Jesus saying, "You've heard it said...", He's correcting oral teachings and/or fulfilling them.
It's amazing how what you said is not in the Scripture. I'm sure you have a Bible History book that tells you that that is what happened. But remember, those books are not the Bible. The Bible is the inspired Word of God, not the Bible History book you buy from the Christian book store. The doctrine you teach is not what Jesus says. Did Jesus ever say it was because they didn't give the bill of divorcement or is that just your other book speaking?
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If someone confesses their sins before God and CHrist, they are forgiven. How is it a sin to fall in love with someone and want to marry them? If you are already legally divorced, than you are free to remarry whomever you choose, your ex-spouse no longer has a hold on you, except perhaps with children you have with them, but if you receive Jesus Christ forgiveness for the adulterous divorce, then you are cleansed of your sins. I really do not know much about this, I've never been married, never had a sexual relationship, and my parents have never been divorced.
According to Jesus, to divorce your current spouse in order to marry someone else is adultery. I think that perhaps Jesus was suggesting divorce for cases of adultery instead of putting the adulterous offenders to death. It is a lot kinder to divorce and adulteress wife than to stone her to death. Plus, there was sexist hypocrisy over what adultery was back in those days.
Women were cosnidered the property of men. Men were allowed to cheat on their wives with prostitutes or single women who probably had low stations like slaves, servants, bar maids, peasant farm girls lady's hand maids, dancing girls poor girls and women with bad reputations, but if they dared go after another man's wife, his property, then it was considered adultery. Men were allowed to have several wives, but women could only have one husband.
Wives were expected to stay completely loyal to their husbands. Marriages were arranged by parents. Men could beat their wives, wives had to obey their husbands. If a woman cheated on her husband she would be put to death. Yet the men could pretty much do what they wanted to as long as it was not with a married woman.
According to Jesus, to divorce your current spouse in order to marry someone else is adultery. I think that perhaps Jesus was suggesting divorce for cases of adultery instead of putting the adulterous offenders to death. It is a lot kinder to divorce and adulteress wife than to stone her to death. Plus, there was sexist hypocrisy over what adultery was back in those days.
Women were cosnidered the property of men. Men were allowed to cheat on their wives with prostitutes or single women who probably had low stations like slaves, servants, bar maids, peasant farm girls lady's hand maids, dancing girls poor girls and women with bad reputations, but if they dared go after another man's wife, his property, then it was considered adultery. Men were allowed to have several wives, but women could only have one husband.
Wives were expected to stay completely loyal to their husbands. Marriages were arranged by parents. Men could beat their wives, wives had to obey their husbands. If a woman cheated on her husband she would be put to death. Yet the men could pretty much do what they wanted to as long as it was not with a married woman.
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I can answer you from what I've read in the Bible. People do not commit fornication when they're married, they commit adultery.. the passage in Matthew refers to the OT when women were stoned if they were found in such an act, marriage is a till death do us part, you're allowed to get married once your spouse has deceased. The bible says in Mark: 10-9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]While I respect the notion of the Greek, the NT was actually penned in Aramaic and translated into Greek.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Paul, a Jew's Jew, would not write letters to other Jews in a language he considered inferior. He was, by far, the most formally educated of the NT writers. Yet, even he would not be as fluent in writing Greek as he would Hebrew. Certainly, Peter would have had less confidence in Greek than Hebrew.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]You might investigate the Aramaic/English New Testament by Andrew Gabriel Roth or the Complete Jewish Bible by David Stern. They are very useful in just this kind of situation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Paul, a Jew's Jew, would not write letters to other Jews in a language he considered inferior. He was, by far, the most formally educated of the NT writers. Yet, even he would not be as fluent in writing Greek as he would Hebrew. Certainly, Peter would have had less confidence in Greek than Hebrew.[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]You might investigate the Aramaic/English New Testament by Andrew Gabriel Roth or the Complete Jewish Bible by David Stern. They are very useful in just this kind of situation.[/FONT]
Well... It really doesn't even take an exegesis of ANY language. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 quite clearly allows divorce with a writ, and allows both parties to remarry.
The penalty for adultery was death by stoning, not divorce.
In Matt. 5, Jesus is clearly addressing oral tradition with "It hath been said".
In Matt. 19 after the main passage, Jesus says not all can receive the saying; and those who are celebate are born or made such by another or themselves.
IOW... Divorce doesn't determine a lifetime of celebacy.
The penalty for adultery was death by stoning, not divorce.
In Matt. 5, Jesus is clearly addressing oral tradition with "It hath been said".
In Matt. 19 after the main passage, Jesus says not all can receive the saying; and those who are celebate are born or made such by another or themselves.
IOW... Divorce doesn't determine a lifetime of celebacy.
Mark chapter 10:11 and 12... Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
I am happely married 30 years today 3 Oct.... Shoul I find myself NOT married today but a divorced or unmarried person I would like the same than Paul had... Stay unmarried and devoted to God.
Had I been a fornicator/Adulterer/over active sexual monster that destoys marriages and families for my fleshly lusts and then FIND JESUS! Do you think I will again love another person with fleshly lusts, or will I be so busy with God's will that there is no time for other love!
Remember this... If two virgins marry and the husband take her virginity he does well, but if he leaves it in tact, HE DOES BETTER. And even Paul advise us to "even though we are married" we should live in celebacy. It all is only a form of DEDICATION to GOD!
Also there is the fact that a widow that wants to remarry, should only marry "only in the Lord". And these men that ARE in the Lord that are single. they do not marry easely. They are VERY dedicated to thair WORK IN THE LORD. So it will be difficult to get one of these ment to marry in the first place...
Apllicable verses..
1 Cor 7:39... The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 1Co 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 7:27 to 29... Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
Just read 1 Cor 7 it gives you quite a clearity on how much a marriage is sacred, and how much more unmarried people can get out of the relationship with God. Specialy women!
Marry Jesus if you are a free woman. I know only one person is responsible when two get divorced, and the other is free. Even if the other one now "redescorvers" Jesus, wich I do not believe, because if he had jesus in the first place he would not have been divorced. But that can open another can of worms, let me just say... Any person that has Christ Jesus in him or her is already so full of the first love, GOD, that they would hardly need ANY other love at all! I just look at how dedicated Jesus was to be busy with God's Work, and I see how much the world NEEDS this from all who has to give this LOVE and dedication, what a waste to have it stored in one family!
The world needs God's love WAY more that God's people needs WORLDLY LOVE! Amen!
I am happely married 30 years today 3 Oct.... Shoul I find myself NOT married today but a divorced or unmarried person I would like the same than Paul had... Stay unmarried and devoted to God.
Had I been a fornicator/Adulterer/over active sexual monster that destoys marriages and families for my fleshly lusts and then FIND JESUS! Do you think I will again love another person with fleshly lusts, or will I be so busy with God's will that there is no time for other love!
Remember this... If two virgins marry and the husband take her virginity he does well, but if he leaves it in tact, HE DOES BETTER. And even Paul advise us to "even though we are married" we should live in celebacy. It all is only a form of DEDICATION to GOD!
Also there is the fact that a widow that wants to remarry, should only marry "only in the Lord". And these men that ARE in the Lord that are single. they do not marry easely. They are VERY dedicated to thair WORK IN THE LORD. So it will be difficult to get one of these ment to marry in the first place...
Apllicable verses..
1 Cor 7:39... The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 1Co 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 7:27 to 29... Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
Just read 1 Cor 7 it gives you quite a clearity on how much a marriage is sacred, and how much more unmarried people can get out of the relationship with God. Specialy women!
Marry Jesus if you are a free woman. I know only one person is responsible when two get divorced, and the other is free. Even if the other one now "redescorvers" Jesus, wich I do not believe, because if he had jesus in the first place he would not have been divorced. But that can open another can of worms, let me just say... Any person that has Christ Jesus in him or her is already so full of the first love, GOD, that they would hardly need ANY other love at all! I just look at how dedicated Jesus was to be busy with God's Work, and I see how much the world NEEDS this from all who has to give this LOVE and dedication, what a waste to have it stored in one family!
The world needs God's love WAY more that God's people needs WORLDLY LOVE! Amen!
There are so many different scenarios concerning divorce and remarriage that it would be impossible to apply the scripture without having the foundation of these arrangements be rooted in reconciliation and redemption that is in Christ. What God has joined together let no man put asunder (Mt 19:6), this clearly reveals the intent of God of having two become one flesh and staying that way for the rest of their born days here on the earth or unto death. I take this to mean that their is not an excuse or an occasion or justification for two people that have become one flesh to ever be divorced, not even for fornication. An extra-marital affair does not trump the the marriage that God has joined together and the innocent party, who has been defrauded by this affair, is justified in being angry and hurt through this affair but must keep their eye upon Christ for better or for worse. Any reason to put away your spouse, including adultery, would be because of the hardness of the heart that is not available to redemption and reconciliation in the plan and will of God
However, divorce is happening between men and women for many different reasons and many of them are being married again to other spouses. How many of these divorcées know and understand the conviction of God that had joined them together? So what do you do if you divorce and remarry to another while your first spouse is still alive? AND, if your first spouse remarries to another, can both divorce their second and be united to their first when the second marriage was also consummated as the first? Where does redemption fit into these types of scenarios and can both divorcées ever be able to be productive as Christians and bear fruit unto God? The Samaritan woman that Jesus met at Jacob's well in (Jn 4) revealed to her that she had had five husbands and was living with a man hat was not her husband. Did Jesus condemn her according to the law or accuse her of being an adulterous woman? NO, He offered her to drink from the living water and promised her that she would never thirst again. He was interested in bring reconciliation and redemption into her life through the living water.
However, divorce is happening between men and women for many different reasons and many of them are being married again to other spouses. How many of these divorcées know and understand the conviction of God that had joined them together? So what do you do if you divorce and remarry to another while your first spouse is still alive? AND, if your first spouse remarries to another, can both divorce their second and be united to their first when the second marriage was also consummated as the first? Where does redemption fit into these types of scenarios and can both divorcées ever be able to be productive as Christians and bear fruit unto God? The Samaritan woman that Jesus met at Jacob's well in (Jn 4) revealed to her that she had had five husbands and was living with a man hat was not her husband. Did Jesus condemn her according to the law or accuse her of being an adulterous woman? NO, He offered her to drink from the living water and promised her that she would never thirst again. He was interested in bring reconciliation and redemption into her life through the living water.
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Jesus' answered a question which was primarily a test. He was living under the Old Testament Law at the time answering a question of the Law.
Jesus never addressed the already divorced, or the widowed, or virgins, or mixed marriages. If you want to know the New Testament teaching on marriage issues go to 1 Corinthians 7.
Jesus never addressed the already divorced, or the widowed, or virgins, or mixed marriages. If you want to know the New Testament teaching on marriage issues go to 1 Corinthians 7.
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Just want to point out that the 'legal status' of two people is more or less irrelevant if you're talking about a covenant with God (marriage).
I know that's not really the issue, but I saw it creep into this discussion a few times with people saying if they are legally divorced then everything is okay. There is no law of man that can undo or negate a covenant with God.
I know that's not really the issue, but I saw it creep into this discussion a few times with people saying if they are legally divorced then everything is okay. There is no law of man that can undo or negate a covenant with God.