Did Jesus walk when Abraham was?

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LovingtheLord

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Okay so i was readin a thread about son of God, and i went to Genesis 18, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and 2 angels came into the city and lot bowed himself to the ground

Genesis 19
1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Genesis 18
1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

As i have seen through scripture when angels walk on the earth they are in twos; two angles that came to Sodom(Genesis 19:1), two angels after Christ's ascession (Acts 1:10) and also in the supelchre (John 20:12).

But in Genesis 18 it says there were three men, two angles acommpaning the Lord perhaps?, as it says And the LORD appeared, Abraham acts in the same manner as Lot did to the two angels which came to Sodom by by bowing himself towards the ground.
 
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Ugly

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In Gen 19:2 he refers to them as 'lords'. Plural, so not likely either was Jesus.
2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
So essentially he gave equal treatment and title to both men. Thereby implying that they were seen by his as equals to each other. Also, the wording is 'two angels'. Again implying the two are equal. There is not reference to either being anything greater than an angel.
Chapter 18 on the other hand starts out distinctly saying God showed up, and what is likely angels with Him.

In Gen 18 he is using LORD. My understanding is LORD refers to God... Lord equates to Jesus.. so in chapter18 it seems to be God Himself. So in 19:2 it is lower case in reference to both men.

I don't believe these are the only times men have bowed to an angels appearance.
 
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LovingtheLord

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True, can you share some please.

I can recall
Mary (Gabriel brings good news to mary about bearing a son, Jesus),
Zacharias (Gabriel brings news about the birth of John the baptist)
Daniel (when Gabriel interprets)

But these angels in twos walk around in the open, the ones in Sodom came to destroy the city and were seen by the men going to Lot's house.
 
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LovingtheLord

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In Gen 19:2 he refers to them as 'lords'. Plural, so not likely either was Jesus.
2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
So essentially he gave equal treatment and title to both men. Thereby implying that they were seen by his as equals to each other. Also, the wording is 'two angels'. Again implying the two are equal. There is not reference to either being anything greater than an angel.
Chapter 18 on the other hand starts out distinctly saying God showed up, and what is likely angels with Him.

In Gen 18 he is using LORD. My understanding is LORD refers to God... Lord equates to Jesus.. so in chapter18 it seems to be God Himself. So in 19:2 it is lower case in reference to both men.

I don't believe these are the only times men have bowed to an angels appearance.
Yeah i understand the angels who came to Lot we equals more or less and not distinction is made, i was comparing Lot's reaction of bowing which Abraham did to the three men.
 
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LovingtheLord

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It seems the two angels Lot saw are the same in the previous chapter which were with Abraham, heading to Sodom.
 
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AnandaHya

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Did Jesus walk when Abraham was?

yes
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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In Gen 19:2 he refers to them as 'lords'. Plural, so not likely either was Jesus.
2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
So essentially he gave equal treatment and title to both men. Thereby implying that they were seen by his as equals to each other. Also, the wording is 'two angels'. Again implying the two are equal. There is not reference to either being anything greater than an angel.
Chapter 18 on the other hand starts out distinctly saying God showed up, and what is likely angels with Him.

In Gen 18 he is using LORD. My understanding is LORD refers to God... Lord equates to Jesus.. so in chapter18 it seems to be God Himself. So in 19:2 it is lower case in reference to both men.

I don't believe these are the only times men have bowed to an angels appearance.
maybe both of the 'men' were God...two persons of the trinity...
 
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LovingtheLord

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maybe both of the 'men' were God...two persons of the trinity...
Genesis 19
1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

As it looks it's the LORD accompanied by two angels.
 

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Yes and do not forget Melchizedek, the high priest forever who Abraham gave a tenth to.

Melchizedek was without mother and father.

Melchizedek is Jesus Christ before He was born from Mary's womb.
 
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777Yeshua777

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The Bible is a book full of definitions. It regularly tells you very directly what things and people are...

John 1:1-5 Would everyone agree that this says Yeshua is the Word of YHVH?

The first use of "Word of YHVH." Genesis 15:1

Let's go on: Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Numbers 14:14, Deuteronomy 5:4, Deuteronomy 34:10

But, John 1:18 says no man has seen God at any time. Which is it?

John 4:24 "For Elohim is spirit, and those who worship, they must worship him in spirit and truth."

Compare John 1:9 and Proverbs 6:23

You can arrive at the correct answer based on these scriptures. So, what do you think?
 

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YHVH is not biblical!
It is a jewish-masonic term!
Has nothing to do with Jesus Christ our savior and the gospel !
Man made false talmudic pharisaic traditions!
Forget about it!
 
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The Bible is a book full of definitions. It regularly tells you very directly what things and people are...

John 1:1-5 Would everyone agree that this says Yeshua is the Word of YHVH?

The first use of "Word of YHVH." Genesis 15:1

Let's go on: Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Numbers 14:14, Deuteronomy 5:4, Deuteronomy 34:10

But, John 1:18 says no man has seen God at any time. Which is it?

John 4:24 "For Elohim is spirit, and those who worship, they must worship him in spirit and truth."

Compare John 1:9 and Proverbs 6:23

You can arrive at the correct answer based on these scriptures. So, what do you think?
I think, and KNOW that Jesus The Son in the Flesh, however, He is also The Begining of The Father's PLAN, Gen: 3/1: In the Begining GOD created The Light/ or in Hebrew, The PLAN of Salvation in and through The First Begotten Child of Love & Wisdom; Yeshua Messiah or Jesus THE Christ.

Melchezidek had NO FLESH mother or father of course; But IF you think that you came from some other place, that He Christ came from; then you don't KNOW your own True Heritage. :(

ALL of GOD'S WORD is Truth; and HE, The Father, STATED quite clearly that NO FLESH MAN has EVER seen The Father.

So WHO was Moses looking at in The Burning Bush?

Who were The Whole House of ISRAEL looking at when they saw that Pillar of Fire?

MELCHEZIDEK. The ANGEL (MESSENGER) of The LORD, The MESSIAH.

The ONLY Angel of The LORD, that it was not only appropriate to bow before, but expected and demanded; as He represents Our Father, in EVERY way, EXCEPT POWER, which was done through Him, By The Father.

Why cannot people see the beauty in which WE ALL originated from; BEFORE the Flesh?

Christ IS THE First Begotten ONE of US, NOT The Father, though representitive of The Father, NOT Himself.

Forever in Christ :)
 
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777Yeshua777

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YHVH is not biblical!
It is a jewish-masonic term!
Has nothing to do with Jesus Christ our savior and the gospel !
Man made false talmudic pharisaic traditions!
Forget about it!
YHVH is used almost 7,000 times in the Bible, including the New testament. Every time you THE LORD in all capital letters it is YHVH in the original text.
 
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Crossfire

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This topic has always been of interest to me. Was it Jesus when God visited Abraham's camp in the flesh and delivered the promise of Isaac. Also, was it Jesus who visited Joshua, proclaiming himself Lord over the Heavenly Hosts. And just who was Melchezedek?

Pardon the spelling...
 

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This topic has always been of interest to me. Was it Jesus when God visited Abraham's camp in the flesh and delivered the promise of Isaac. Also, was it Jesus who visited Joshua, proclaiming himself Lord over the Heavenly Hosts. And just who was Melchezedek?

Pardon the spelling...
Jesus Christ was Melchizedek, angel of the Lord, Lord of hosts, High priest forever and the same in the beginning that created the heaven and the earth.

In fact Jesus Christ has many names, 365 of them including the attributes and characteristics of the Almighty God given to the prophets throughout the ages.

Jesus Christ is the 100% exact visible image of the invisible God.

Jesus Christ is the end off all things too.

Peace.
 
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Jesus Christ was Melzicedek, angel of the Lord, Lord of hosts, High priest forever and the same in the beginning that created the heaven and the earth.

Jesus Christ is the 100% exact visible image of the invisible God.

Jesus Christ is the end off all things too.

Peace.
While I would have to do more research on the subject matter, I'm inclined to agree with you on this.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Genesis 19
1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

As it looks it's the LORD accompanied by two angels.
in the bible when God makes an appearance he is sometimes referred to as an 'angel'...usually 'the angel of the LORD'

the two 'angels' in this story do seem to have authority that belongs to God...since they decide to spare the city of zoar...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Jesus Christ was Melchizedek, angel of the Lord, Lord of hosts, High priest forever and the same in the beginning that created the heaven and the earth.

In fact Jesus Christ has many names, 365 of them including the attributes and characteristics of the Almighty God given to the prophets throughout the ages.

Jesus Christ is the 100% exact visible image of the invisible God.

Jesus Christ is the end off all things too.

Peace.
melchizedek was not jesus

melchizedek was king of salem...or jerusalem...jesus however had no earthly kingdom

melchizedek is pretty clearly the name of a canaanite jebusite king... later jebusite kings had very similar names...such as adonizedek and adonibezek
 

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YHVH is used almost 7,000 times in the Bible, including the New testament. Every time you THE LORD in all capital letters it is YHVH in the original text.
No wrong! The force of darkness made this up and you fell for it.
The name of God is the great IAM !
Exodus 3:14 ; John 8:48-59
YHWH is the basis of black magic kabbalah,which is sorcery.
Forbidden by God as the bible tells us.
Stick with Jesus and you can't go wrong.

Read this please:
sacred name
and this from pastor reckart


Only when a person knows the hidden knowledge (gnosis) of the symbols, can they understand the secrets of the mysteries and thereby claim special privilege with lucifer the light bearer of darkness (Illuminatti, Rosicrucians, Masons). This system of making darkness into light is found in all secret orders. Jesus identified this mystery religion that cloaks darkness as religious light in Matthew 6:23. Symbols such as the hex, solar serpent, ankh, pentagram, swastika, ying/yang, crescent moon with a star, pyramid, eye, circle with a dot in the center, compass/square, obelisk, tetragrammaton*, the numbers 1, 3, 6, & 13, etc. etc. are used consistently by the kingdom of darkness (look at the back of your dollar bill). The greatest symbol of lucifer is the hex, which also is a secret symbol of the Sefiroth of the Kabbalah and its 32 paths of alleged wisdom through ten levels of a mystical godhead. And the satanic hex is the star of Israel? And it came from Babylon as a symbol of the sun god. It was even the personal sign of Ashtoreth the whore goddess that answers to Simiramus. How did this ever happen? What could better identify the great whore of God more clearly? Among those who practice witchcraft, the hex is lucifer's own personal sign of union or marriage with Israel. The interlaced black border triangle with a white border triangle represents sexual union. Is this not a symbol of adultery and fornication of Israel with satan? Is this not the star of their god Rempham (code for lucifer), that Stephen preached about in Acts 7:43 that got him killed? What other star is associated so deeply and devoutly with Israel? Why does mentioning this truth about the *hex,* the death mark (to hex someone), incite so many to instant hatred against the person revealing its satanic purpose and meaning? The hex has 666 within it in several ways. And the hex represents the name of a man!

tetragrammaton=YHWH

The Great Whore Of Babylon

Let me clarify something here. Not all Jews are part of this mystery system. But all Jews who worship YHWH, Yahweh, and the tetragrammaton god, these will be part of the mystery. They will hate and despise the name of Jesus. They will replace the name of Jesus in their language, their worship, and their literature. They will blot this name out. Somewhere out there, there is a remnant of Jews who will come out from among the YHWH cult and praise the name of Jesus Christ (Messieh). And these Jews, where ever they are, may just very well be the final wrap-up of the 144,000. It is to this remnant I also send my warning. Do not let any Jew deceive you by using YHWH from the Kabbalistic mystery system. And do not remove the name of Jesus from your mouth. Do not deny or recant the name of Jesus

The Jewish Jesus Blog: Antichrist System Identified

What the talmud part of the jewish torah as the zohar and the kabbalah says about JESUS..
The Shem-Tob Manuscripts, the Talmud and the Toldoth Yeshu Sephardi Tree's Blog


This is from "master" masonic site:
from the masonic leader
The Tetragrammaton | The Masonic Leader
The Tetragrammaton
Posted on February 1, 2011 by leader

The first three degrees of Craft Masonry are built around the construction of King Solomon’s temple. In the third degree we learn of the death of our Grand Master, Hiram Abiff, who died to protect the Master’s word. What word could be so important that a man would choose death rather than reveal it? Why would a word be so important that three men would choose to become murderers in a vain attempt to obtain it?

In the Royal Arch Degree this word is discovered by the Sojourners. This word is considered to be so powerful that the Sojourners refuse to pronounce it. To this day this word is reverently displayed on a pedestal in Royal Arch Chapters. According to ‘Royal Arch Terms Explained “ by Roy A. Wells, this word J E H 0 V A H is a manufactured word which stands for the intention of the following Hebrew Characters – Ha Vav He Hod. These characters translate int the English letters Y H W H. This is the personal name of the Most High and is referred to as “the ineffable name’ and is also known as the TETRAGRAMMATON. TETRAGRAMMATON is a Greek word meaning four letters. Because these Hebrew characters had no vowels between them the original pronunciation of the word has been lost. The Hebrews substituted the word Adonai whenever the name appeared in the original writings. Jehovah is a combination of the TETRAGRAMMATON together with those vowels from Adonai.

This from the book:
Transcendental magic, its doctrine and ritual (1896)

Everything is contained in a single word, which consists
of four letters ; it is the Tetragram of the Hebrews, the
AzpT of the alchemists, the Thot of the Bohemians, or
the Taro of the Kabbalists. This word, expressed after so
many manners, means God for the profane, man for the
philosophers, and imparts to the adepts the final word of
human sciences and the key of divine power ; but he only
can use it who understands the necessity of never revealing
it.
Transcendental magic, its doctrine and ritual : Lévi, Eliphas, 1810-1875 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive


JESUS IS HIS NAME
Matthew 1:21 KJV
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
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