What is the great apostacy?

[damombomb]

REV:2:4Nevertheles i have somewhat against the , because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev2:5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will remove thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent.
2Thess2:3Let no man decieve you by any means, for that day shall not come except
there be a falling away first,
Rev2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service and faith, and thy patience. and the
last to be more than the first.



Let us not be decived, but turn back to the truth and the living God. if we have fallen
away, let us repent and let our works, charity, service,and faith be more than ever,
God bless

 

[tribesman]

Apostacy is when so called believers trusts in a false gospel (which is no gospel at all) conditioned in any way, to any degree, on the sinner instead of the gospel which is conditioned on the imputed rightouesness and blood atonement of Christ alone.

Heb.6


[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[notIbutChrist]

REV:2:4Nevertheles i have somewhat against the , because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev2:5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will remove thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent.
2Thess2:3Let no man decieve you by any means, for that day shall not come except
there be a falling away first,
Rev2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service and faith, and thy patience. and the
last to be more than the first.



Let us not be decived, but turn back to the truth and the living God. if we have fallen
away, let us repent and let our works, charity, service,and faith be more than ever,
God bless

Yes, the cold night is coming, and we as God's children must be wholeheartedly in love with our Bridegroom King. God will empower our hearts for new measures of enjoying Jesus. When wel find ourselves extravagantly in love with Jesus He will bring us into the knowledge of who we are in Christ, especially as it related to our bridal identity. God desires to set us free from the inferior pleasures of sin. He does this by satisfying these ''designer longings'' introducing us to the surperior pleasures of the gospel.

Sadly though we know because iniquity shall abound the love of many will grow cold, and the great apostacy will occur. Let us guard our heats that we do not partake in their sin.

 

[Crossfire]

Unfortunately, apostasy is all around us in every church that you will visit regardless of denomination.

Authentic Christianity has nothing to do with which denomination you believe in, what form of eschotology you hold to, whether or not you believe someone can forfeit their salvation or whether or not you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased.

Authentic Christianity is understanding that a true believer in Christ realizes that he or she can do nothing without Jesus. That we must live a life of complete surrender to Christ, allowing the indwelling Holy Spirit to manifest the Divine nature of God both is us and through us so that the entire world might Him (God) as He is.

Grace, is the manifestation of God's divine nature both in us and through us. Grace is relational, it's social, it's communicable which means you can not experience true divine grace with out it transforming you on the inside thus effecting how you treat others on the outside. If anyone claims to have received the authentic grace of God yet treats others like garbage, then we know that their claims are untrue for the Bible tells us that we can discern the fake from the authentic according to their fruit.

 

[Crossfire]

As Christians, the pursuit of authentic Christianity should be our primary focus in everything we do which can only be found through intimacy with the indwelling Christ. The last thing we need is the yoke of spiritually dead doctrines & traditions keeping our minds trapped in a pattern of religious confusion.

We can do nothing in and of the flesh for the flesh is selfish in nature. Selfishness is in complete opposition to the nature of God which is selfless, that is why we must have the Holy Spirit, the divine nature, both working in us and through us. If we are truly surrendered to and in constant communication with the indwelling Christ, being both partakers of and dispensers of His divine nature (which is grace) then the only logical and scriptural conclusion is that the desires and ambitions of the flesh (ie. sin) should have no power over us.

It doesn't matter what your preferred doctrine might be, if grace is not alive in the recesses of your heart - both working in you and working through you - then what you have is not grace at all but rather dead religion, a pharisee who relies on carnal doctrine rather than divine grace for his or her own salvation.

The message of the cross is not one promoting better discipline. Nor is it a message of superficial, imaginary grace. The true, authentic message of the cross is that of complete surrender to the Divine nature of the indwelling Christ.


Proverbs 2:1-5 "My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding - indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God."


"Let a man sanctify the Lord God in his heart and he can therefore do no uncommon act. All he does is good and acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For such a man, living itself will be sacramental and the whole world a sanctuary. His entire life will be a priestly ministration. As he performs his never - so - simple task, he will hear the voice of the seraphim saying "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory." - A.W. Tozer

 

[Israel]

As Christians, the pursuit of authentic Christianity should be our primary focus in everything we do which can only be found through intimacy with the indwelling Christ. The last thing we need is the yoke of spiritually dead doctrines & traditions keeping our minds trapped in a pattern of religious confusion.

We can do nothing in and of the flesh for the flesh is selfish in nature. Selfishness is in complete opposition to the nature of God which is selfless, that is why we must have the Holy Spirit, the divine nature, both working in us and through us. If we are truly surrendered to and in constant communication with the indwelling Christ, being both partakers of and dispensers of His divine nature (which is grace) then the only logical and scriptural conclusion is that the desires and ambitions of the flesh (ie. sin) should have no power over us.

It doesn't matter what your preferred doctrine might be, if grace is not alive in the recesses of your heart - both working in you and working through you - then what you have is not grace at all but rather dead religion, a pharisee who relies on carnal doctrine rather than divine grace for his or her own salvation.

The message of the cross is not one promoting better discipline. Nor is it a message of superficial, imaginary grace. The true, authentic message of the cross is that of complete surrender to the Divine nature of the indwelling Christ.


Proverbs 2:1-5 "My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding - indeed, if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God."


"Let a man sanctify the Lord God in his heart and he can therefore do no uncommon act. All he does is good and acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For such a man, living itself will be sacramental and the whole world a sanctuary. His entire life will be a priestly ministration. As he performs his never - so - simple task, he will hear the voice of the seraphim saying "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory." - A.W. Tozer

What of those who authentically are not christian? What of these many people?

 

[Crossfire]

What of those who authentically are not christian? What of these many people?

Unfortunately, our churches - regardless of denomination - are full of people who have either never truly experienced Divine grace or they experienced it at one time and for whatever reason have regressed back into a self centered lifestyle (sin). The deceitful yoke of religious tradition is possibly the hardest to break. Look no further than the fact than it was the pharisees who basically ordered Jesus' death despite knowing that Jesus was no ordinary man.

While scripture tells us that we should not judge or condemn them, it also says that we should discern who they are and not be deceived by them. An authentic Christian will keep these people in their prayers and treat them with the same grace that God has so lovingly and freely bestowed on the authentic Christian keeping a safe distance if need be.

(This is the very reason why I seldom log in to Christian Chat these days. There seems to be lots of religious tradition and very little Divine grace expressed on these boards. I will be honest, in the past I have gotten caught up in some of the mess that goes on here. However, the Lord has dealt with concerning what it means to truly live an authentic Christian life and just how much we need to rely on the indwelling Christ in all aspects of life including how we respond to others. )

 

[Crossfire]

REV:2:4Nevertheles i have somewhat against the , because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev2:5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will remove thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent.
2Thess2:3Let no man decieve you by any means, for that day shall not come except
there be a falling away first,
Rev2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service and faith, and thy patience. and the
last to be more than the first.



Let us not be decived, but turn back to the truth and the living God. if we have fallen
away, let us repent and let our works, charity, service,and faith be more than ever,
God bless

Without a doubt! I feel that the later verses of Revelation 3 are especially relevant to the modern church with most focusing on insignificant doctrines created by men that have left the church powerless and divided.

Revelation 3:14-22

And to the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the trusty and faithful and true Witness, the Origin and Beginning and Author of God's creation:

I know your [record of] works and what you are doing; you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of My mouth! For you say, I am rich; I have prospered and grown wealthy, and I am in need of nothing; and you do not realize and understand that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.


Therefore I counsel you to purchase from Me gold refined and tested by fire, that you may be [truly] wealthy, and white clothes to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nudity from being seen, and salve to put on your eyes, that you may see.


Those whom I [dearly and tenderly] love, I tell their faults and convict and convince and reprove and chasten [I discipline and instruct them]. So be enthusiastic and in earnest and burning with zeal and repent [changing your mind and attitude]. Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears and listens to and heeds My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will eat with him, and he [will eat] with Me. He who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant him to sit beside Me on My throne, as I Myself overcame (was victorious) and sat down beside My Father on His throne.


He who is able to hear, let him listen to and heed what the [Holy] Spirit says to the assemblies (churches).

 

[AnandaHya]

Apostasy is when you have tasted the first fruits of Heaven and know of your salvation through Jesus and have been given the Holy Spirit but you reject all of that/

when you reject the Word of God by allowing Satan to steal it, allowing the cares of the world to choke it out, or having shallow roots not grounded in a humble and contrite heart but a heart harden by pride, unforgiveness, anger, lust, greed or anything else that wars against God.

when a person does not tear down the strongholds that war against the knowledge of God and instead add more bricks of lies and deception and turn from the truth to believe a lie and reject the Truth for the false baubles of this world such as earthly power, wealth, and other lusts.

trading the immortal invisible promise for the carnal temporal joys of the world that they use to corrupt their minds, bodies and souls for they whore after things of this world instead of seeking first the Kingdom of God.

Apostasy is choosing spiritual darkness for worldly riches after having had the Light shone in your life and hearing the upward call of God.

 

[WeStand]

The Great Apostacy is a very sad time, when most of God's children will go whoring after The False Messiah; Because from a religious understanding you could never know that he is a fake.

Even knowing in advance, i would still never take my salvation for granted, Until i perform my duties in the feild doing The Father's Work.

IF, i were to Pass-Over before this time, then my Faith would save me thanks be to Christ. That's That (amen)

But we have been forewarned that even God's very-elect would be deceived, IF they didn't know. We were also warned by The Father, that HE Will send them strong delusion, IF they choose to beleive a Lie.

This is the event spoken of near the end of Daniel, Never before in the flesh, has there ever been a day like unto this one.

The Day of Jacob's Trouble or The Night of The Lord, which precedes The Day of The Lord, The Quiet Riot, The Battle of Words haven't you heard? The Bad Moon Rising or Have you ever danced with the devil under the pale moonlight

Unfortunatly instead-of-christ IS gonna suck them in by the droves, when he comes in peacably,prospersly, with ALL his lying wonders & miricles as well as appearing to be the great hero, The Saviour

Do Not be DECEIVED, NOT watch out someone kills you; though spiritually speaking this IS True.

Forever in Christ

 

[cronjecj]

Apostacy is having to be once enlightened and tasted the good gift of God and rejecting it to follow unbiblical doctrines of devils because it becomes their idol.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The following video is a great example of apostacy,

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJaJzHdGaI[/video]

 

[WeStand]

Apostacy is having to be once enlightened and tasted the good gift of God and rejecting it to follow unbiblical doctrines of devils because it becomes their idol.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The following video is a great example of apostacy,

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJaJzHdGaI[/video]

Could have sworn the question was; What is THE GREAT APOSTACY?

Not; What is apostacy? whatever.
Forever in Christ

 

[cronjecj]

Could have sworn the question was; What is THE GREAT APOSTACY?

Not; What is apostacy? whatever.
Forever in Christ

Ooooooooooooooopsi daizy..forgive a brother?? you know it might be part of THE GREAT APOSTACY you know..

 

[WeStand]

Ooooooooooooooopsi daizy..forgive a brother?? you know it might be part of THE GREAT APOSTACY you know..

No problem, didn't harbour any resentment anyways

Apostacy first took place in the flesh with li'l ol innocent Adam & Eve, and Judah and Israel have had there turns throughout The Word.

Its just that its been a long time since satan has made a persnal appearance, and this time should be a horrendous deception, as its not just 2 innocent human beings he's after, But rather the multitude of the stars of Heaven this time. Do Not under-estimate our enemy.

Forever in Christ

 

[Crossfire]

No problem, didn't harbour any resentment anyways

Apostacy first took place in the flesh with li'l ol innocent Adam & Eve, and Judah and Israel have had there turns throughout The Word.

Its just that its been a long time since satan has made a persnal appearance, and this time should be a horrendous deception, as its not just 2 innocent human beings he's after, But rather the multitude of the stars of Heaven this time. Do Not under-estimate our enemy.

Forever in Christ

True. Unfortunately, apostasy has always been present in the church on some level throughout history. Anytime we allow our love and allegiance to the Lord wax cold, trusting in doctrines of men rather than the indwelling Christ for our assurance of salvation, we have embraced apostasy whether we realize it or not.

 

[cronjecj]

Here is a scripture related to the great apostacy that happens in the end times,

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Crossfire]

Here is a scripture related to the great apostacy that happens in the end times,

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

No doubt. Take note of that last line:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Clearly Paul is hinting toward a time when 'believers' will follow doctrines that make allowances for unrighteousness. What is unrighteousness?

 

[cronjecj]

No doubt. Take note of that last line:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Clearly Paul is hinting toward a time when 'believers' will follow doctrines that make allowances for unrighteousness. What is unrighteousness?

Yea 'supposedly' believers but they weren't really saved in the first place because they did not have a love for truth.

Sin.

 

[Crossfire]

Sin.

Amen.

Would you agree that any doctrine that makes allowances for sin is in apostasy?

If so, we have just indicted much of the doctrine believed today for many preach that a person can be saved in sin.

 

[WeStand]

No doubt. Take note of that last line:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Clearly Paul is hinting toward a time when 'believers' will follow doctrines that make allowances for unrighteousness. What is unrighteousness?

All Flesh is unrighteous, Because we don't rightfully come from flesh. The righteousnes we have is the inner-man and we develop it through the example set before US, The Son, Christ.

When Christ was adressed as Good Master, He snapped, Why callest thou me Good? there IS NONE good but ONE, The Father.

WE were asked to be Christ-like or Son like; NOT Father-like, that was Christ's duty, to be totaly obedient to The Father's Will, as Christ also carried His Word in His Temple.

Christ also received help through prayer with The Holy Spirit, just as we should.

Christ also lost his cool and told people off, so don't be to shy just be bold & blunt, not rude and prejudice.

From my studies, as well as my experiences in life, i would say The First Love is defintly The Father, as not only do people not know His Name, But they don't even know what HIS Issue's are; Which concerns EVERYBODY, at this time.

Its not so much what goes into a persons mouth that defiles the person, rather it is what comes out of ones mouth, that defiles the person.

WE will be judged by every word that proceedeth from our mouths; AFTER, we come to the knowledge of The Truth.

Because UNTIL you KNOW exactly who The Father IS, you can't repent in sincerity, because you don't even know who your praying to, and its NOT Christ obviously, as Christ is the One & Only Mediator to HIM, YAHAVAH, The MoreNatural physical force of Love, that He IS, Always has been, and ALWAY's will be Forever and Ever, The Creator of Life and the Source of Love; The Father of the Covenant made in Love, through the families of Abraham, Issiac and Jacob, Thats That (amen)



Forever in Christ