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Dear EG: It is not what we call ourselves. No individuals are the church except the Apostles and their successors.
How does the Holy Spirit get passed down in the Church through the
generations? By baptism, chrismation, through the Apostles and their
successors, the bishops of the Church, and they receive the Holy Spirit
for authority and power and grace from the Apostles through the laying
on of the hands of the Apostles.
For example, Saint Andrew, the blessed and holy First-Called Apostle of
our LORD GOD and Saviour, Jesus Christ, as an Apostle of Christ laid
his holy hands upon Stachys, and made Stachys the bishop of
Byzantium in 47 AD. The Church of Constantinople comes from this
holy bishop, St. Stachys. In the Andrean line of succession from
Blessed Saint Andrew. The bishop of Antioch comes from Saint
Peter. The bishop of Alexandria comes from Saint Mark the
Evangelist. The bishop of Jerusalem comes from Saint James. The
bishop of Rome comes from Saint Peter, though there is evidence that
Saint Paul also ordained in Rome.
I believe. Both Peter and Paul were in Rome, that much is certain. But
St. Linus as the successors of St. Peter was not a Pope in the sense of
infallibility.
St. Peter was not infallible, so no pope of Rome, therefore, could be
infallible, either.
Christ calls the Orthodox Church His Church because the Church has
visible apostolic succession from the twelve Apostles, St. Paul, and the
other disciples of Christ, the Seventy. Anyone ignorant of this fact is
indeed ignorant, and does not know, believe in, or recognize the true
Church of God, the Church of the living God, the pillar and ground of
the truth, which is visibly manifest in Constantinople in 381 AD with
318 Christian bishops which are the hierarchy of the one holy catholic
and apostolic Church that Christ founded. Not the Protestant
Reformation. Not the bishop (pope) of Rome only. These 318 were
the leaders of the whole church on earth in 381 AD. Don't bury your
head in the sand and deny this. God will bless those who believe this,
and leave sad and alone in their ignorance those who speak against
this. That is what is truly shameful!!!!It's so sad! In Erie Scott H.
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Dear Scott.
Everything you just posted is unbiblical. There are no apostles today. An Apostle is a delagate given authority and SENT OUT with orders. Christ sent them out to Start his church. Peter james and john to the jews, Paul to the gentiles. What apostles are being "sent out" to start what churches today??
Think about it Scott. For 400 years after Malachi there were no prophets. And ironically enough. there also was no written scripture during this time. You care to guess why?
Funny thing is. without prophets. Many people understood scripture (OT) by themselves. they did not need a prophet (or apostle for that matter) to interpret the word. They had God help them.
why do you think this is so impossible today.
Your church is full of men, who privately interpret the word. and their interpretation is in error.
no more apostles.
what's wrong with the ones The Lord gave?
Sola Scriptura!
Ephesians 2
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
what's wrong with the ones The Lord gave?
Sola Scriptura!
Ephesians 2
One in Christ
11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.
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Dear EG: Luther and the Protestants, all of them, are proved to be in error by their leader and progenitor Martin Luther's words. They all adhere to one or more of his (false) doctrines.
Here is what Luther said about being justified by "faith alone".
"It is so. And I will have it so. And my will is reason enough. It is so because I, Dr. Martin Luther, say that it is so."
So, all of Protestantism comes from the mind of Martin Luther. Not from the words of the Holy Scriptures which the Protestants all, without meaning, praise so much.
All churches are full of men. But not all who claim to be churches are part of the Church that Christ founded. Some "churches" interpret the word in a false way. The Orthodox Church doesn't misinterpret Scripture. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington Wed. Oct. 20/ Nov. 2, 2011 AD
Jesus also taught faith but He also taught works. Paul also taught faith, but he taught works too.... Faith without works is dead.
James 2:14-26 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Martin Luther wanted to erase this entire epistle from the Bible because he said it was "an epistle of straw"... Talk about traditions of men.
James 2:14-26 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Martin Luther wanted to erase this entire epistle from the Bible because he said it was "an epistle of straw"... Talk about traditions of men.
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You know what I find REALLY weird other than Scott's absurd theological arguments is why the heck does he keep mentioning Erie Scott H. etc??
Does he have OCD about leaving some sort of calling card? Does he think that living near Erie (the lake?) makes him more superior in his intellect?
*scratches head...
lol
Does he have OCD about leaving some sort of calling card? Does he think that living near Erie (the lake?) makes him more superior in his intellect?
*scratches head...
lol
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Thats fine Scott. Follow men.
Why is it you always want to argue what men hundreds of years ago believed or said? WHO CARES. I onbly care what a few said. You might know them?? One was Christ, Then Paul. Peter, James John, Daniel, Moses. Many of these fine Men who God decided to give us his words through.
You believe the lies you have been tought. and go in in your fantasy world.
I will follow Christ.
Why is it you always want to argue what men hundreds of years ago believed or said? WHO CARES. I onbly care what a few said. You might know them?? One was Christ, Then Paul. Peter, James John, Daniel, Moses. Many of these fine Men who God decided to give us his words through.
You believe the lies you have been tought. and go in in your fantasy world.
I will follow Christ.
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To answer the question why there were no prophets and no written words for 400 years.
God was done, there was nothign else to say. The stage had been set for the prophesies to be fulfilled through Christ.
Same with the end of the NT. God was done. There was nothing else which needed to be said. Prophesies of end times are ready to be fulfilled. All we have to do is finish this age. We have been given all the instruction we need. It is called the "word of God" given by God himself.
People want to follow men. Good luck
God was done, there was nothign else to say. The stage had been set for the prophesies to be fulfilled through Christ.
Same with the end of the NT. God was done. There was nothing else which needed to be said. Prophesies of end times are ready to be fulfilled. All we have to do is finish this age. We have been given all the instruction we need. It is called the "word of God" given by God himself.
People want to follow men. Good luck
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You quote Timothy above so how about Timothy 2:16-17
"All scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for TEACHING, REBUKING, CORRECTING, and TRAINING in RIGHTEOUSNESS so the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
On the basis of that you stand to be rebuked, corrected, and taught to regard the BIBLE as GOD-BREATHED words that equip us for EVERY good work which is God's purpose for us found in Eph 2:10 "For you are God's MASTERPIECE created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for you to do.
So ignorance of the Bible results in the inability to do those amazing good works which God has purposed for us to do. Remember in Ephi 2:8-9 we are not saved by those good works either like the false and heretical Roman Catholic church teaches. Eph 2:8-9 "For by Grace you are saved by your fatith it is not of yourselfs it is the gift of God not by WORKS so that no one may boast.
So the works are God's purpose for us but they do not save us or give us eternal life as that comes from Jesus Christ confession and believing in our heart that He is our one and only high priest and father also not like heretical teachings given by the Ronanists.
So would you oppose Christians to immerse themselves in Bible Study such as the Navigators 2-7 study so they may equipped thoroughly for every good work God has purposed them to do or not? Your false teaching will keep people from this so please repent and stop it. You have been warned and corrected so heed the God-breathed word of the Lord.
"All scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for TEACHING, REBUKING, CORRECTING, and TRAINING in RIGHTEOUSNESS so the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
On the basis of that you stand to be rebuked, corrected, and taught to regard the BIBLE as GOD-BREATHED words that equip us for EVERY good work which is God's purpose for us found in Eph 2:10 "For you are God's MASTERPIECE created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for you to do.
So ignorance of the Bible results in the inability to do those amazing good works which God has purposed for us to do. Remember in Ephi 2:8-9 we are not saved by those good works either like the false and heretical Roman Catholic church teaches. Eph 2:8-9 "For by Grace you are saved by your fatith it is not of yourselfs it is the gift of God not by WORKS so that no one may boast.
So the works are God's purpose for us but they do not save us or give us eternal life as that comes from Jesus Christ confession and believing in our heart that He is our one and only high priest and father also not like heretical teachings given by the Ronanists.
So would you oppose Christians to immerse themselves in Bible Study such as the Navigators 2-7 study so they may equipped thoroughly for every good work God has purposed them to do or not? Your false teaching will keep people from this so please repent and stop it. You have been warned and corrected so heed the God-breathed word of the Lord.
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[quote=Zilla64007;580851]sorry, scotth, but I believe in justification by
faith because the Bible says so, not because Martin Luther taught it
(Romans 3:24, 26, 28; 4:3, 5; 5:1)[/quote]
Dear Zilla: I, too believe in justification by faith because the Bible says
so. The Bible does not say "justification by faith" alone, for the "alone"
contradicts James 2:24. Martin Luther added the word "alone" to
Romans 3:28, and so falsified and nullified James 2:24, and made Paul
and James into enemies of each other, when the Holy Spirit really
made them brothers in Christ and friends and fellow bishops of the
Church.
Don't you read James 2:24 and read what Luther said as to why he
wanted people to believe in the "alone" part of justifying faith, when
Scripture does not teach "alone" for justifying faith? Luther said It
(faith "alone) is so. And I will have it so. And my will is reason
enough. It is so because I, Dr. Martin Luther, say it is so." God bless
you. In Erie Scott Harrington
faith because the Bible says so, not because Martin Luther taught it
(Romans 3:24, 26, 28; 4:3, 5; 5:1)[/quote]
Dear Zilla: I, too believe in justification by faith because the Bible says
so. The Bible does not say "justification by faith" alone, for the "alone"
contradicts James 2:24. Martin Luther added the word "alone" to
Romans 3:28, and so falsified and nullified James 2:24, and made Paul
and James into enemies of each other, when the Holy Spirit really
made them brothers in Christ and friends and fellow bishops of the
Church.
Don't you read James 2:24 and read what Luther said as to why he
wanted people to believe in the "alone" part of justifying faith, when
Scripture does not teach "alone" for justifying faith? Luther said It
(faith "alone) is so. And I will have it so. And my will is reason
enough. It is so because I, Dr. Martin Luther, say it is so." God bless
you. In Erie Scott Harrington
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Dear HeIsNowHere. Ephesians 2:8-9 does not say "good works". It only says "works". What does the NT in St. Paul mean when it says merely the word "works". Study St. Paul carefully (2 St. Peter 3:15-16).
It means the "deeds (works) of the law", that is circumcision, animal sacrifices in the Jewish temples, Jewish dietary laws, Jewish ritual practices. It does not mean the 10 commandments and the good works that come from obeying God's Law. Only some of God's Law is "the works of the law" which does not save anyone. Circumcision is case in point (see Galatians); animals sacrifices is another case in point (see Hebrews). God Bless You. In Erie PA U.S.A. Scott R. Harrington
PS I believe in the Spirit-breathed Holy Scriptures; I don't believe in the false Protestant misinterpretations of Scripture.