True Christianity is Not Biblical.

[Scotth1960]

Christ founded an infallible Church. He didn't base it "on the Bible alone". True Christianity is based on the Church, the "pillar and ground of the truth". The Bible is not the Pillar and Ground of the Truth. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church IS the Pillar and Ground of the Truth (1 Timothy 3:15). True Christianity is not Biblical: It is Trinitarian (of the Holy Trinity alone) and Ecclesiatical (in, of, with, by, and for the Church alone). In Erie PA USA God bless America. God bless the Orthodox Church. Not necessarily in that order. Scott R. Harrington October 16/29, 2011 AD

 

[jimmydiggs]

Hey Scott.

Hypothetical situation:

The Bible says do X, Your church says don't do X.

What do you do?


I know you'll want to, and probably will say that the bible and the EOC don't disagree. Hence, the reason it is hypothetical.

 

[babyboyblue]

I respectfully disagree;

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[Nalu]

I strongly disagree! The Bible and the Bible alone is the Word of God.

Anything added to the Bible or any omissions from the Bible are serious distortions intended to mislead.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hey Scott.

Hypothetical situation:

The Bible says do X, Your church says don't do X.

What do you do?


I know you'll want to, and probably will say that the bible and the EOC don't disagree. Hence, the reason it is hypothetical.

Jimmydiggs:

Actual situation: X (certain individual) says the Bible says do X. What do you do? Do you trust X (private individual), or do you trust Y (Y being the Church that Christ Himself founded, the Pillar and Ground of the Truth, 1 St. Timothy 3:15)? Do you listen to one man; or do you listen to many witnesses in Christ (cf. the Book of Hebrews), do you listen to the Catholic Church?
The Orthodox Church is the Catholic Church.
What do you do, jimmy diggs. John Calvin says, The Bible says burn heretics at the stake. The Orthodox Church says, No. What do you do, then?
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[phil36]

Hi Scott,

Can you trust fallen man, to be the Pillars of truth?

 

[Scotth1960]

I strongly disagree! The Bible and the Bible alone is the Word of God.

Anything added to the Bible or any omissions from the Bible are serious distortions intended to mislead.

Does the Bible say you can understand the Bible unless some man tells you what it means (see Acts 8:30-31)? Do you think everything in the Bible is simple to understand (see 2 Peter 3:15-16). Anything added to the Bible? Sola scriptura is added to the Bible. The Bible alone does not teach "by the Bible alone". It's a Protestant heresy! "A man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject...." St. Titus 3:10 KJV.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hi Scott,

Can you trust fallen man, to be the Pillars of truth?

If you trust Calvinism, then it is you who trust a fallen man, John Calvin, a murderer and a fatalistic heretic.
Are you, then, still a Calvinist?
Why trust everything on one self-deluded Frenchman?

 

[Zilla64007]

someone has forgotten 2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness

 

[Scotth1960]

someone has forgotten 2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness

2 Timothy 3:16 does not say "Scripture only is inspired by God.....". In Erie Scott R. Harrington If the 12 Apostles were not also inspired by God, they were, then, preaching a false gospel in contradiction of the very New Testament that some of them wrote!

 

[Zilla64007]

and you have also forgotten 2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

true Christianity is described in the Bible... and what i know concerning Eastern Orthodoxy, it is virtually identical to Roman Catholicism, with the exception that you follow patriarchs instead of the Roman Pope

 

[Scotth1960]

and you have also forgotten 2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

true Christianity is described in the Bible... and what i know concerning Eastern Orthodoxy, it is virtually identical to Roman Catholicism, with the exception that you follow patriarchs instead of the Roman Pope

Roman Catholicism is not virtually identical to Roman Catholicism. It is Protestantism that is virtually identical to Roman Catholicism. Both Catholicism and Protestantism believe in spiritual individualism: self-authority, private interpretation. Orthodoxy believes in Church Tradition, the Tradition of God and the Holy Apostles, the Work and Presence of the All-Holy Spirit in the Church, and the Communion of Saints of the Church Fathers and 7 Church Councils and the One Church Faith (Jude 3) delivered to all the Church Saints.
True Christianity is described in the Orthodox Church: the Church tells what the Bible means (Acts 8:30-31).
The Catholics believe in the Vicar of Christ, the Pope, a substitute for the absent Holy Spirit, and they believe in the Virgin Mary as a virtual goddess, another substitute for the absent Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is absent from Catholics because of the Filioque heresy. The Holy Spirit is also absent from Protestants because of the Filioque heresy; He is absent because of their Bible idolatry, they substitute a Book, the Bible, for Christ.
Eastern Orthodoxy is based on the Holy Spirit and the Community of Christ: The Spirit and the Bride.
The Church, The Body of Christ. Only Orthodoxy is the Truth.
Catholicism and Protestantism are man-made heresies.
So is Oriental Orthodoxy.

 

[phil36]

If you trust Calvinism, then it is you who trust a fallen man, John Calvin, a murderer and a fatalistic heretic.
Are you, then, still a Calvinist?
Why trust everything on one self-deluded Frenchman?

Hi Scott,

Quite strong words regarding Calvin? I think you have still failed to distinguish between Calvinism and the man Calvin? or Reformed Theology and Calvin. 'Murderer' is also strong language. You do know the whole story don't you? taking into account their culture norms and not reading our culture into a bygone era, you also do no who it was who helped Servitus to escapr from the death squads from Rome don't you, and I presusem you do know who pleaded to the King for mercy on Servitus' behalf don't you? It would have been Calvin by anychance?

Anyhow, I am sure that before putting forth such strong language that you would have researched atleast some preliminary facts, such as Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) and as such realize that calvin made this call also. I think this may have slipped your attention.

So on the above basis you make a straw man argument.

So the question still remains Scott.

Can we trust fallen man to be infallible, to hold the truth with all integrity? One only has to look at your answer to me above to realize that this cannot be so! Therefore, God has given us His infallible word in Scripture.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hi Scott,

Quite strong words regarding Calvin? I think you have still failed to distinguish between Calvinism and the man Calvin? or Reformed Theology and Calvin. 'Murderer' is also strong language. You do know the whole story don't you? taking into account their culture norms and not reading our culture into a bygone era, you also do no who it was who helped Servitus to escapr from the death squads from Rome don't you, and I presusem you do know who pleaded to the King for mercy on Servitus' behalf don't you? It would have been Calvin by anychance?

Anyhow, I am sure that before putting forth such strong language that you would have researched atleast some preliminary facts, such as Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) and as such realize that calvin made this call also. I think this may have slipped your attention.

So on the above basis you make a straw man argument.

So the question still remains Scott.

Can we trust fallen man to be infallible, to hold the truth with all integrity? One only has to look at your answer to me above to realize that this cannot be so! Therefore, God has given us His infallible word in Scripture.

Why do you, then, quote Spurgeon, that Calvinism is worth "dying for"? It is better to live for the truth than to try to die for it.
Calvinism, however, is a heresy, and is not the truth. Calvinists are lost in their delusion of double predestination, however. Look what Calvinism produced in South Africa: Anti-Black, anti Non-White Racism.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
So the question remains, Phil36: Why do you believe in Calvinism when the Bible does not teach Calvinism. Your belief in the Bible is contradicted by your belief in Calvinism. The Bible doesn't teach such nonsense!

 

[phil36]

Why do you, then, quote Spurgeon, that Calvinism is worth "dying for"? It is better to live for the truth than to try to die for it.
Calvinism, however, is a heresy, and is not the truth. Calvinists are lost in their delusion of double predestination, however. Look what Calvinism produced in South Africa: Anti-Black, anti Non-White Racism.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
So the question remains, Phil36: Why do you believe in Calvinism when the Bible does not teach Calvinism. Your belief in the Bible is contradicted by your belief in Calvinism. The Bible doesn't teach such nonsense!

Hi Scott,

You still havent got it yet. Anyhow, It was you who brought Calvinism up in your thread Scott.

To answer your original thread opener / statement.

Can fallen man be trusted, is he infallible?

 

[zone]

If you trust Calvinism, then it is you who trust a fallen man, John Calvin, a murderer and a fatalistic heretic.
Are you, then, still a Calvinist?
Why trust everything on one self-deluded Frenchman?

scotty....why do you continue to do this?
EO's patriarchs simply keep lower personal profiles and hide behind institutional infallibility....should we talk about some of them personally as sinners?
i have lots of info.
just sayin'

 

[zone]

2 Timothy 3:16 does not say "Scripture only is inspired by God.....". In Erie Scott R. Harrington If the 12 Apostles were not also inspired by God, they were, then, preaching a false gospel in contradiction of the very New Testament that some of them wrote!

a-a-a-a-a-nd....enter infallible apostolic succession per EO patriarchs (inspired as were the REAL apostles)
this EO idea is exactly the same as the modern heretical cousins, the New Apostolic Restoration crowd.
what's the diff scott?
none.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmydiggs:

Actual situation: X (certain individual) says the Bible says do X. What do you do? Do you trust X (private individual), or do you trust Y (Y being the Church that Christ Himself founded, the Pillar and Ground of the Truth, 1 St. Timothy 3:15)? Do you listen to one man; or do you listen to many witnesses in Christ (cf. the Book of Hebrews), do you listen to the Catholic Church?
The Orthodox Church is the Catholic Church.
What do you do, jimmy diggs. John Calvin says, The Bible says burn heretics at the stake. The Orthodox Church says, No. What do you do, then?
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

I asked you first. I will answer yours on one condition. You answer mine first.

 

[Scotth1960]

scotty....why do you continue to do this?
EO's patriarchs simply keep lower personal profiles and hide behind institutional infallibility....should we talk about some of them personally as sinners?
i have lots of info.
just sayin'

St. Peter sinned too. So what's your point? There is no perfect church in this world. That doesn't mean there is no true Church, or that the Church that Christ founded would not prevail against the gates of hell (Matthew 16:18).
God bless you.
All I know for sure is that I have sinned. I don't know what sins the EO patriarchs have committed, but may God bless them and save them.

 

[zone]

Look what Calvinism produced in South Africa: Anti-Black, anti Non-White Racism.

oh....wow.
scott, you're just a propaganda machine.
and you're way out of line.
the south african thing came from another group altogether.
but since you don't know who did 9-11, i wouldn't expect you to have bothered with real history. (<<clue)

ponder: exactly who is cranking out the disinfo for you at EO scott?
maybe its time for a thread on who some of the patriarchs really were (are).