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    Many have disputed that the book of Enoch does not belong to the bible. Some have even in fact stated that this book contains lies. My intention is to bring your attention to prophesies in this book that harmonise with the bible.

    You can look up yourself the history of this book and how it was rejected. We will forget about all that for a moment, and just look at what is written. To test it.

    I let you be the judge.

    Let me know what you think are condradictions. Here are just a few for now. I will put some more on the second post if you want to follow.

    ENOCH SECTION 2
    THE PARABLES

    ENOCH 38:1 The first parable
    When the congregation of the righteous shall appear,
    and sinners shall be judged for their sins,
    And shall be driven from the face of the earth:


    ENOCH 38:2 And when the Righteous One shall appear before the eyes of the righteous,
    Whose elect works hang upon the Lord of Spirits ,
    And light shall appear to the righteous and the elect who dwell on the earth


    ENOCH 38:3 Where then will be the dwelling of the sinners,
    and where the resting place of those who have denied the Lord of Spirits?
    It had been good for them if they had not been born.

    When the secrets of the righteous shall be revealed and the sinners judged.
    And the godless driven from the prescence of the righteous and elect,


    ENOCH 38:4 From that time those that possess the earth shall no longer be powerful and exalted:
    And they shall not be able to behold the face of the holy,
    For the Lord of Spirits has caused His light to appear
    on the face of the holy, righteous, and elect.


    ENOCH 38:5 Then shall the kings and the mighty perish
    And be given into the hands of the righteous and holy.

    ENOCH 38:6 And thence forward non shall seek for themselves mercy from the Lord of Spirits
    For their life is at an end.


    ENOCH 46:1 And there I saw One who had a head of days,
    And his head was white like wool,
    And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
    And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.


    ENOCH 46:2 And I asked the Angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things concerning that


    ENOCH 46:3 Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he
    went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me


    This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
    With whom dwelleth righteousness,
    And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

    Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
    And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits
    in uprightness for ever.


    ENOCH 46:4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
    Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
    (And the strong from their thrones)
    And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
    And break the teeth of the sinners.


    ENOCH 46:5 (And he shall put own the kings from their thrones and kingdoms)
    Because they do not extol and praise him,
    Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.


    ENOCH 46:6 And he shall put down the countenance of the strong,
    and shall fill them with shame.

    And darkness shall be their dwelling,
    And worms shall be their bed,
    And they shall have no hope of rising from their beds
    Because they do not extol the name of the Lord of Spirits.
    (And raise their hands against the Most high)
    And tread upon the earth and dwell upon it.
    And all their deeds manifest unrighteousness,
    And their power rests upon their riches,
    And their faith is in the gods which they have made with their hands
    And they deny the name of the Lord of Spirits.


    ENOCH 46:8 And they persecute the houses of His congregations,
    And the faithful who hang upon the name of the Lord of Spirits.


    ENOCH 47:1
    And in those days shall have ascended the prayer of the righteous,
    And the blood of the righteous from the earth before the Lord of Spirits.

    ENOCH 47:2 In those days the holy ones who dwell above in the heavens
    Shall unite with one voice
    And supplicate and pray and praise,
    And give thanks and bless the name of the Lord of Spirits
    On behalf of the blood of the righteous which has been shed,
    And that the prayer of the righteous may not be in vain before the Lord of Spirits,
    That judgement may be done unto them,
    And that they may not have to suffer for ever.

    ENOCH 47:3 In those days I saw the Head of Days when He seated himself upon the thone of His glory,
    And the books of the living were opened before him:
    And all His host which is in heaven above and His counselors stood before him,

    ENOCH 47:4 And the hearts of the holy were filled with joy;
    Because the number of the righteous had been offered,
    And the prayer of the righteous had been heard
    And the blood of the righteous been required before the Lord of Spirits




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    Quote Originally Posted by journey41 View Post
    Let me know what you think are condradictions...
    I would not focus much on the contradictions, there are a lot of connecting dots to the Bible and it is referred to in the NT. However, which translation of the Book of Enoch which is the most trustworthy is another question of interest. Not that easy to restore something like an original book here. There are also a number of related literature of more or less doubtful origin.
    Matt.6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    A perfect faith is nowhere to be found, so it follows that all of us are partly unbelievers. - John Calvin

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    there are TWO Enoch's in the Bible. which do you think wrote this book?

    Genesis 4:17
    And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.

    Genesis 5
    21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

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    there are TWO Enoch's in the Bible. which do you think wrote this book?

    Genesis 4:17
    And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.

    Genesis 5
    21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
    [/QUOTE]Its the Enoch in Genesis 5.


    Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Jude 1:15 To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.


    ENOCH:SECTION 1:V9: And behold, He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
    To execute judgement upon all,
    And to destroy all the ungodly:
    And to convict all flesh
    Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
    And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    Jude quotes a specific prophesy from Enoch. The only place this is found is in this book of Enoch.

    Enoch the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam. (7th from Adam)

    Enoch is from Seths line, not Cain who killed Able. Genesis ch5 gives us Enoch's lineage.

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    Trusting in the book of Enoch, has and will lead many into deception

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    journey41, please do not believe something too quick because it sounds right at first.

    Firstly let me tel you that scripture says that whosoever are led by the Spirit of God are called the sons of God the peacemakers are called the children of God,

    Romans 8:14 (KJV)
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Matthew 5:9 (KJV)
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    It does not mean that Angles left their proper domain and procreated with woman here on earth because they were immortal spirit beings not fleshly thus they did not have the desires of the flesh in the first place.

    We know this because the scripture tells us that, that which is flesh is flesh but that which is spirit is spirit,

    John 3:6 (KJV)
    That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Asks this, if God wanted the book of Enoch to be included in His holy bible don't you think He would have done it so? There is a reason why the book of Enoch is not in the holy bible.

    The men of renown - men of glory means prideful men. And there were giants in those days and that means people were were quite big in those days as the bible states "and there were giants in those days" but it does not mean angles procreated with woman.

    God honors His written word which is all scripture in the holy bible.

    Please consider this and see the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notIbutChrist View Post
    Trusting in the book of Enoch, has and will lead many into deception
    Please elaborate what deception?
    The book of esther is in the bible too.
    Do i trust in esther or mordecai also know as ishtar and marduk the babylonian deities?
    Or do i trust in purim the annual feast of the celebration of death?
    No i do not.

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    I must wonder how this book before the flood made it to after. If there was writting before the flood, and before the time of Moses. Why is it that God did not have anyone else write before Moses. Why not Abraham? Or Even Noah (Talk about a first hand testimony of the flood)

    It all looks good. But I would be leary.
    To many questions
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cronjecj View Post
    journey41, please do not believe something too quick because it sounds right at first.

    Firstly let me tel you that scripture says that whosoever are led by the Spirit of God are called the sons of God the peacemakers are called the children of God,

    Romans 8:14 (KJV)
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Matthew 5:9 (KJV)
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    It does not mean that Angles left their proper domain and procreated with woman here on earth because they were immortal spirit beings not fleshly thus they did not have the desires of the flesh in the first place.

    We know this because the scripture tells us that, that which is flesh is flesh but that which is spirit is spirit,

    John 3:6 (KJV)
    That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Asks this, if God wanted the book of Enoch to be included in His holy bible don't you think He would have done it so? There is a reason why the book of Enoch is not in the holy bible.

    The men of renown - men of glory means prideful men. And there were giants in those days and that means people were were quite big in those days as the bible states "and there were giants in those days" but it does not mean angles procreated with woman.

    God honors His written word which is all scripture in the holy bible.

    Please consider this and see the truth.
    The much greater deception is judeo christianity which is an oxymoron. Now i ask you why no one seems to care that the modern day jews, not the Israelites, or the remnant, are a counterfeit and that they reject Jesus Christ, The New Testament instead have besides the written torah their babylonian talmud,the zohar and kabbalah as their most holy books?

    The son of cain called enoch is also a counterfeit by the adversary.But the range of consequences of twin brother cain who killed abel and who his real father was, is an other story..[COLOR=#000000 ! important][/COLOR]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ada View Post
    Please elaborate what deception?
    The book of esther is in the bible too.
    The book of Ester is in the bible too? As in also?. You are confused ada, the book of Enoch is not in the bible it is not scripture, it is not truth
    Do i trust in esther or mordecai also know as ishtar and marduk the babylonian deities?
    Or do i trust in purim the annual feast of the celebration of death?
    No i do not.
    You lost me at at ''TOO''

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    Quote Originally Posted by notIbutChrist View Post
    The book of Ester is in the bible too? As in also?. You are confused ada, the book of Enoch is not in the bible it is not scripture, it is not truth
    You lost me at at ''TOO''
    No you get me wrong. Esther is only in the bible for one reason.
    To show how many jews rejected the command of God to leave babylon.
    As many other books as in kings,chronicles and so forth which shows
    the atrocities and stubbornness of them.
    When many Israelites left already many of them refused to leave,
    cause they feel so comfortable to be part of the high society and their man made theocracy.
    Under those were esther the whore and her cousin mordecai who seduced the king
    Ahasuerus to leave her wife vishta and as finally became queen commanded a preemptive strike
    to kill haman his 10 sons and 75000 alleged enemies of the jews.
    Therefor they celebrate annual purim the mass murdering till today with baking of haman ears from
    with their little children.
    Not one time God is mentioned in this book..[COLOR=#000000 ! important][/COLOR]

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    never did get the book of Esther. thought it was just me...but God is mentioned hmm... let me find it...

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    nevermind... interesting not once did they thank God or pray for Him to deliver them. I thought it said deliverance was from God, but no it says from another place....

    Esther 4:14
    King James Version (KJV)
    14For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnandaHya View Post
    nevermind... interesting not once did they thank God or pray for Him to deliver them. I thought it said deliverance was from God, but no it says from another place....

    Esther 4:14
    King James Version (KJV)
    14For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?
    Sure first they preemptive killed 75000 innocents and after cast lots in the lottery,
    then thanked their(!) god.. This is what purim means. Casting lots..

    Yes this is an analogy to Jesus.

    Luke 23:34
    Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
    And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

    But look at this translation..
    Luke 23:34 Biblos Interlinear Bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by journey41 View Post
    Many have disputed that the book of Enoch does not belong to the bible. Some have even in fact stated that this book contains lies. My intention is to bring your attention to prophesies in this book that harmonise with the bible.

    You can look up yourself the history of this book and how it was rejected. We will forget about all that for a moment, and just look at what is written. To test it.

    I let you be the judge.

    Let me know what you think are condradictions. Here are just a few for now. I will put some more on the second post if you want to follow.
    So what language was the original book of Enoch written in? The alphabet was not invented till around 1400 BC. The books of Moses the Bible were probably the first books ever written using the alphabet before that they used picture writing like the Egyptians did.

    The book of Enoch continually refers to God as 'Lord of the spirits' the Bible never refers to God in that way.

    If Enoch wrote this then it would have been written before the flood, here are some things which don't agree with the Bible
    1. Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their orbits, and the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order. 2. Behold ye the earth, and give heed to the things which take place upon it from first to last, how steadfast they are, how none of the things upon earth change, but all the works of God appear to you. 3. Behold the summer and the winter, ⌈⌈how the whole earth is filled with water, and clouds and dew and rain lie upon it⌉⌉.
    Genesis 8:22
    (22) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


    The first mention of summer and winter in the Bible is after the flood. When God created the earth it had a water canopy around it so the environment would have been alot different before the flood.
    Genesis 1:6-7
    (6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
    (7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    Here is another
    1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'
    Genesis 6:13
    (13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    The book of Enoch has Uriel speaking to Noah the Bible has God speaking to Noah. There is no mention of a Uriel in the Bible till long after the flood.

    Also another point is that Genesis 6 would have happened after Enoch was taken to heaven so how did he write about it.
    Proverbs 6:23 KJV
    (23) For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:




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    anyone can write a book with a few lines that sound 'right'...that does not make the book scripture...

    some parts of enoch may sound 'right'...mainly because the authors plagiarized their messianic notions from the bible and other jewish literature... but the majority of the book is poisoned with ancient pagan superstitions such as demigods and astrology...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notIbutChrist View Post
    Trusting in the book of Enoch, has and will lead many into deception
    And how is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelBibleStudent View Post
    anyone can write a book with a few lines that sound 'right'...that does not make the book scripture...

    some parts of enoch may sound 'right'...mainly because the authors plagiarized their messianic notions from the bible and other jewish literature... but the majority of the book is poisoned with ancient pagan superstitions such as demigods and astrology...
    The book of Enoch was before the Jewish books. This was written before the flood, way before Abraham and Moses.

    Even historians believe that this book is very very old, even older than the Jewish writings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelBibleStudent View Post
    anyone can write a book with a few lines that sound 'right'...that does not make the book scripture...

    some parts of enoch may sound 'right'...mainly because the authors plagiarized their messianic notions from the bible and other jewish literature... but the majority of the book is poisoned with ancient pagan superstitions such as demigods and astrology...
    The book of Enoch only reveals how the people came to worship false gods, make weapons of war etc.... because these fallen angels showed them things man did not know how to do. They corrupted man. God does not endorse these acts in anyway, and the book of Enoch does not either. That's why God sent the flood because all flesh was corrupted. You are reading into it wrong.

    The whole book of Enoch harmonises with the bible, but like I said, if it contradicts your doctrine or you misunderstand the message, you will not be convinced one bit and that is your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cronjecj View Post
    journey41, please do not believe something too quick because it sounds right at first.

    Firstly let me tel you that scripture says that whosoever are led by the Spirit of God are called the sons of God the peacemakers are called the children of God,

    Romans 8:14 (KJV)
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Matthew 5:9 (KJV)
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    It does not mean that Angles left their proper domain and procreated with woman here on earth because they were immortal spirit beings not fleshly thus they did not have the desires of the flesh in the first place.

    We know this because the scripture tells us that, that which is flesh is flesh but that which is spirit is spirit,

    John 3:6 (KJV)
    That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Asks this, if God wanted the book of Enoch to be included in His holy bible don't you think He would have done it so? There is a reason why the book of Enoch is not in the holy bible.

    The men of renown - men of glory means prideful men. And there were giants in those days and that means people were were quite big in those days as the bible states "and there were giants in those days" but it does not mean angles procreated with woman.

    God honors His written word which is all scripture in the holy bible.

    Please consider this and see the truth.
    [/QUOTE]I did not believe in something too quick, as it took me quite a while to accept the book of Enoch. At first I thought false, because the lingo was different and I didn't understand it properly.

    The translator translated the book of Enoch into the english style at the time, but the words mean the same....
    So if he translated...
    "Lord of Spirits"

    then doesn't it mean the same as
    "Lord of Hosts"

    whats the difference?, means the same thing.
    Same God we are talking about.
    God is Lord over everything, and before man came, there were only spirits (angels) and this is how he got that title.

    And Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Enoch, and no other man mentioned. It even prophesies right up to the end, and after the thousand years and harmonises perfectly with Revelations and OT prophesies.

    It confirms what I got out of the Holy Sciptures, the doctrine of Christ, not man.

    I did not believe that angels had sex with women just because of the book of Enoch,......

    I understood this 29 years ago when I was 13 from the holy bible - from Genesis.

    I only discovered the book of Enoch about a year and a half ago,

    But I didn't know all the fine details, I only knew that there were angels who corrupted man by doing things they were not designed to do - having sex with human and animal flesh. I did not know the names of the leaders of the angels and all the other things that they did to teach and corrupt man... things which still exists today.

    We know there were giants because bones have been found by scientists, and we know that from the measurments of them that they are alot larger than us, which is contrary to how God made us, and totally abnormal, and we know there were dinasours and God never mentioned the dinasours once. Why? We have to ask these questions. It's been driving man crazy for years. Something doesn't fit.

    We know man now has the wisdom to clone and manipulate genes. So how much more intellegence do you think the angels have than man?

    They were doing it in the beginning. Creating their own species. Immitating God, but what they created wasn't for good. Remember lucifer wanted to be God, so if he wants to be God, then he also wants his own creation, but it backfired and God destroyed it all.

    We also know that there are angels locked up this very day from before the flood as mentioned in 2Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, so now we know from the book of Enoch which angels were the leaders. Just a little bit more insight than what we knew.

    If I agreed with every doctrine on this site then you would probably call me a peacemaker..If I speak truth, then I am labelled a trouble maker...open up your eyes. Judge with good judgement.

    [QUOTE]
    Asks this, if God wanted the book of Enoch to be included in His holy bible don't you think He would have done it so? There is a reason why the book of Enoch is not in the holy bible.
    [/QUOTE]There is a spirit of truth. The holy spirit. When we read the scriptures, the spirit helps us to understand the meanings. If we are sincere searching for the truth with all our hearts, then God will lead us to all truth. God obviously, did not orchestrate the book of Enoch to be included in the old testament. Maybe the bible would of been too big too carry around, who knows, and maybe this book is just a little reward for all those who have been reading the bible for years and years and yearn for more spiritual knowledge.


    Maybe it's not for everyone to know. There are about 21 missing books from the OT. They have never been found. God is in control.

    The book of Enoch is the only missing one found, as it not only gives history, but future which matches exactly to future prophesies of the bible and can not be refuted...but we have to understand them first from the bible to connect, without this we would be lost and the book of Enoch rejected.

    Truth is peace brother. Those that bring truth with a humble spirit are peacemakers and sons of God.

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