The Tree of the knowledge of good and Evil

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Hi everyone,

What does everyone see this tree as? And What exactly was the fruit on it?
I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

Thank you
Blessings:)
 
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I can't say what everyone thinks :D but i can share what i think it is is earnesty.

GOD often times in The Word refers to His people as trees as well as waters and seas.

This paticular tree is none other than Death/Satan, as all you have to do is to look at the outcome from the incident with that tree.

The fruit of that tree IS Lies & Deception, as The Serpent defiled them into beleiving that they could be as Gods themselves. That would mean producing your own children and beleiving that YOU created that entity and that this is YOUR child.

WRONG; ALL Souls belongeth To ME; thus saith The Lord you God.

You are entrusted with the care of HIS Children Thats That (amen)

NEVER FORGET WHO"S CHILDREN YE ARE!

Forever in Christ :)
 
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I can't say what everyone thinks :D but i can share what i think it is is earnesty.

GOD often times in The Word refers to His people as trees as well as waters and seas.

This paticular tree is none other than Death/Satan, as all you have to do is to look at the outcome from the incident with that tree.

The fruit of that tree IS Lies & Deception, as The Serpent defiled them into beleiving that they could be as Gods themselves. That would mean producing your own children and beleiving that YOU created that entity and that this is YOUR child.

WRONG; ALL Souls belongeth To ME; thus saith The Lord you God.

You are entrusted with the care of HIS Children Thats That (amen)

NEVER FORGET WHO"S CHILDREN YE ARE!

Forever in Christ :)


Thank you WeStand,

I so hoped we would see things the same, but I'm sorry we don't:( ..but I do love the way you share
Honestly...And I think that your probably not alone in your understanding, I have heard this before.

I hope you will continue to share in the future with me, even though we may not always see things the same.

This is the way that it was shown to me.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet

In Gen. It says that they were both naked and not ashamed...From what I've come to understand, Naked is without Gods Righteousness. But they were not ashamed, Or in other words "they did not KNOW to be ashamed. And according to this scripture, Paul says we would not KNOW to be ashamed either unless it were by the law.

Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: (so was Adam) but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. .... (So did Adam)
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. ..... (So did Adam)

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. .... (And so it did with Adam)

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And so he did. He lived just under 1,000 yrs. or one day

And so do we, .... God Kills and makes Alive, He wounds and He Heals,

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So, this is the way it was shown unto me.:)

Blessings:)

 
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I'd suggest it is what it says it is.

It's the...TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL....

In other words when they ate of the fruit, they gained knowledge of good and evil.

What's my proof that they received knowledge of good and evil after they ate it?

None other than God himself...

Genesis 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
 
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I'd suggest it is what it says it is.

It's the...TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL....

In other words when they ate of the fruit, they gained knowledge of good and evil.

What's my proof that they received knowledge of good and evil after they ate it?

None other than God himself...

Genesis 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
So they didn't have an conception of what good and evil were before eating of the tree?
 
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I'd suggest it is what it says it is.

It's the...TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL....

In other words when they ate of the fruit, they gained knowledge of good and evil.

What's my proof that they received knowledge of good and evil after they ate it?

None other than God himself...

Genesis 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Yes, Very Good,

I agree,
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Blessings:D

 
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So they didn't have an conception of what good and evil were before eating of the tree?
If they didn't have any knowledge of good and evil, then God wouldn't have said..

NOW, they have knowledge of good and evil.

The NOW indicates it was something new.

Plus if they had the knowledge of good and evil before the fall, then God would seem kinda odd about commanding them not to eat the fruit of something they already possessed and he'd seem even odder saying they NOW have it, if they had already had it.
 
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Israel

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Thank you WeStand,

I so hoped we would see things the same, but I'm sorry we don't:( ..but I do love the way you share
Honestly...And I think that your probably not alone in your understanding, I have heard this before.

I hope you will continue to share in the future with me, even though we may not always see things the same.

This is the way that it was shown to me.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet

In Gen. It says that they were both naked and not ashamed...From what I've come to understand, Naked is without Gods Righteousness. But they were not ashamed, Or in other words "they did not KNOW to be ashamed. And according to this scripture, Paul says we would not KNOW to be ashamed either unless it were by the law.



Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: (so was Adam) but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. .... (So did Adam)
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. ..... (So did Adam)

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. .... (And so it did with Adam)

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And so he did. He lived just under 1,000 yrs. or one day

And so do we, .... God Kills and makes Alive, He wounds and He Heals,

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So, this is the way it was shown unto me.:)

Blessings:)

You beat me to it beloved, as it is indeed the law.
 
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Thank you, Israel

Psa 133:1 A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Blessings
 
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jimmydiggs

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If they didn't have any knowledge of good and evil, then God wouldn't have said..

NOW, they have knowledge of good and evil.

The NOW indicates it was something new.

Plus if they had the knowledge of good and evil before the fall, then God would seem kinda odd about commanding them not to eat the fruit of something they already possessed and he'd seem even odder saying they NOW have it, if they had already had it.
So, just to clarify.


God commanded them to obey when they had no ability to understand that it would be wrong to disobey? They had no knowledge of the difference of right and wrong?


Also, what kind of knowledge was it? Is there more than one way to know?

Do the Hebrew word yada, and the Greek ginosko, always mean a knowledge comparable to a conceptial knowledge? Do they have other possible meanings and usages?
 
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Laodicea

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The Tree of the knowledge of good and Evil was a test of obedience to see if they love God.
Genesis 2:17
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


We have God's 10 commandments which are a test of obedience to see if we love God
Exodus 20:4
(4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

John 14:15
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.



 
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i believe it was an ordinary tree with no magical powers...probably from one of the species of tree that we have today...

the only identifying characteristic the bible mentions about the tree was its location...in the center of the garden
 
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I agree, the tree was nothing more than just that. A tree with fruit. I believe the only thing that was "wrong" with the tree was that God said, don't eat from it. I believe it was a test of faith where Adam and Eve had nothing to go on but the Word of God. Just like us today :)
 

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what kind of fruit did the tree have is not the point. they only had one rule. do not eat from this tree. we were created with free will and choice. God tells us to obey. adam and eve made a choice to disobey God. everyone was blaming everyone else for their actions. God is not waiting for anyone to come and place blame on others for their actions. it is better to seek out God and accept responsibility for your deeds than for God to come looking for you, while you cower in a bush with shame, thinking you can hide or place blame on others.

this is the essence of confession and repentance, taking personal responsibility. Jesus died for our sins, he is waiting to help anyone who ask to do this. free will, obey God, personal responsibility. an obedient child obeys and takes responsibility for their actions. they blame themselves, they are disciplined, forgiven and brought inside. a disobedient child does not obey and takes no responsibility for their actions, they blame others. they are disciplined and sent away.

the last thing is this. i don't think that adam and eve had any idea of the long term consequences or believe they would actually be punished for their disobedience. just as many think and believe the same thing today this is why its even more important to try and obey God without understanding God.

i think we should be trying to clean up our mess in the garden. we can do this best by teaching about the bible. God sent his Son to help in this matter. ask Jesus for help.

Duewell
 

Katy-follower

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Just like the angels, we were created with free will. God didn't want us to be robots, he wanted us to make our own choices. He wanted us to decide whether to accept or reject him. If you think about it - love is only true if it's given freely. If we weren't given free will we would not be able to love God by our own choice.


Adam and Eve were tested. God allowed Satan to tempt them so he could see if they would obey him and trust in his word. The wages of sin is death.

The tree was literally the Knowledge of Good & Evil. The bible tells us God does not want us crossing over any lines to engage in any type of sinful activity, so the fruit represents something sinful (for example, cocaine) - once you cross over that line, you now have the knowledge of something that's sinful and evil, because you've now officially tried it out. You have the knowledge of it.
 
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Hi everyone,

What does everyone see this tree as? And What exactly was the fruit on it?
I would like to hear your thoughts on it.

Thank you
Blessings:)
I would agree that the tree itself wasn't any different from any other tree. If it had been I believe that the Bible would have gone into greater detail. However, what made it significant was the value that God Himself placed upon it. God placed the tree in the center of the garden to kept as His own possession, a primitive symbol of the giving of the first fruits or the tithe. Adam and Eve had need of nothing seeing as God Himself met their every need. All God asked of them was that they not eat of the tree in honor of Him. Of course we know how that turned out, the reward or 'fruit' of their disobedience being coming into possession of the knowledge of what is both good and evil.

I believe the idea that the fruit of the tree possessed some sort of supernatural quality was nothing more than a lie from Satan to deceive Eve, an appeal to her own sense of selfishness - something Satan knows about all too well.
 
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The information that i was attempting to share through me, is from hearing the Hebrew understanding of this.

So on the assumption that i am totaly off base with this; would someone be kind enough to expain a couple of things, so i can better understand, thank-you.

First; how does a tree have such incredible knowledge?

Second; how does a serpert (which are repulsive to many people) deceive 2 humans?

Eve didn't go looking in the garden for the serpert, the serpent approached her; under the law that i know, the aggressor is the assumed guilty one, unless the agressor can prove just cause.

From what the Hebrew says, it states that the tree & the serpent are one in the same; and satan is the tree they have been warned IS in the garden also; satan becomes a serpent when he becomes the agressor, and goes looking for the weaker vessel to beguile first, because, thats what chumps do.

Third; why is it neccassary for GOD after the incident in the garden, to do what He states He did in Gen: 4/15?

And i will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed:

From what i understand, GOD used symbology here because, the story is both shocking and vulgar.

All down through the previous generations, it would have been inappropiate to relay such a story to a child under the age of 13, because its an x-rated story.

It still is inappropiate to relay it to someome under 13, But the times that were living in Now, by the time one is 13, well they have not only heard things just as bad, but most likely even worse.

Forever in Christ :)
 
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I'd suggest it is what it says it is.

It's the...TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL....

In other words when they ate of the fruit, they gained knowledge of good and evil.

What's my proof that they received knowledge of good and evil after they ate it?

None other than God himself...

Genesis 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
After they had partaken of the fruit, the TofK substituted for the daily fellowship that Adam and his wife had with God in the garden in the cool (inspired breath) of each day. The TofK was the knowledge of good and evil but not from the breath of God. It was soulish knowledge but not inspired knowledge that came from the mouth of God and ministered to their spirit. It was knowledge that could be discovered but was not the knowledge that would be revealed to them by inspiration and revelation.

This soulish knowledge made them self-aware and introspective with self-consciousness and they hide themselves among the trees from the voice of God's inspired breath. It was desirable fruit by sight, for consumption and knowledge for wisdom, but this wisdom was from below, from the earth and it was earthy, sensual and devilish resulting in death that has many forms, physical death being only one form.

Iniquity is made up of the knowledge of good and evil that feeds the soulish nature in man as man was shapen and conformed in this iniquity at conception. Satan, as a master mind, was able to influence a man and woman who were without sin as he himself was influenced by the same iniquity found in him through self-knowledge. The TofK was a sentence of death and it had a good part and an evil part, a part to be praised and honored and a part to be condemned by that which is good, but both result in death for the soul. The death is not a termination of life but an infestation of death in every form that effects every part of the human soul in man.

Those that live in unbelief and are part of this world system, in which we live, are daily partakers of this kind of knowledge that feeds their soul. They will either identify with the good side and want to be accepted and adulated or they identify with the evil side knowing they are rejected by the good side. Both are self-conscious, self-conceited, both live in introspection and both live for self-gratification through the works of the flesh. They are dead in their trespasses and sins and both have been blinded in their mind and soul by the god of this world system and can not escape this captivity without the light of the glorious gospel shining unto them.

This is where the church and body of Christ comes in with a word and ministry of reconciliation through Jesus Christ...

2Cor 4:3-6
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
 
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Red, Very good insight....I ejoyed that.

WeStand,......Bless your heart,..thats alot of questions....but questions are good, someone once told me,
that if we have questions concerning the things of God, then that means God has prepared a place for us
to receive the answers. And I fully believe that.

When I first started out on my quest to Know The Lord, I read anything I could get my hands on and many
of those things that I read made me so confused. One of those teachings that I was so drawn into was the
doctine of Fallen Angels, Lucifer being Satan, Angels having sex with women, and even Satan having sex
with Eve..etc. Hence reading it also out of Isa. and Ezk. Which is really a wrong understanding.
And I believed it so much so, that I told many, but Praise Be to God, when I got to the point that I was tired
of being confused all the time mainly because scripture would not line up with scripture,
I put aside everything, and swore I would not read anything by man again or listen to man again,....I had
to KNOW HIM, through HIM, and by HIM. And that's when I began to understand how damaging those things
were.

Our God is so wise,...He has declared the End to us from the Begining. Isa.
The way that I see it is very simple really. God knew very well what would happen if He told Adam to not eat
of that tree. He knew He would. Think about it, if you tell a child not to touch that pot because it hot and it will
burn you, what are they going to do? They have to touch it, why? is it because they don't believe you? or is it
merly the fact that they don't KNOW by Experience what you are talking about? That is until they touch it?
This is what I mean about our Father, He knew very well what Adam would do. Now with that being said, is
God the Author of Sin? Well lets put it this way, if you told your child don't do that it'll hurt you, and they do it
anyhow, are you to blame for their boo boo? No, but what do you do about it? You comfort them, you bandage it
up, and wipe away their tears, and send them on their way. See all the things were already there in place for Adam
we were made subject to vanity, NOT Willingly, But the Same who subjected us to it, did it in hope. Hope of what?
that we also through experience would come to know Him, it was nessasary for us to become so depraved, and so
full of ourselves, till we pretty much KNOW we need Him in every way. This was and is the purpose of the Law, to
Reveal our selfish nature, and to Reveal Him As the Caring Father that He is.

I don't have children but I've been around enough to know that Adam in the Garden represents all mankind in that state. (As a child)
But see God already KNEW Before, what Adam would do, and how it would effect all of us, but if there is one thing that
we should Remember is that God, the same as any Parent, does and did take the responsibility for Adams fall.
By coming in the Flesh, in His Son and Redeeming us back to Him. He's not the Author of Sin but He did take responsability
for it. So important.
I didn't mean to write a book, but this is so important for us to come to a right understanding, it makes everything in scripture
flow. There is only one Enemy of God and that is the Carnal mind, this is what is meant by the Enmity, between the Womans
Seed, which is Christ, and the Serpents seed, children are produced.......I know that this is a hard saying and not all will
recieve it. But it is a Spiritual thing, not a natural, physical conception. In my bible, it says that the serpent was more Subtil
this word is Naked, the same word that is used to describe Adam, Naked, same word, is that a coinsident? I don't think so.
If there was nothing in Adam, before he partook of that tree to be revealed, there would have been no fall. But it was already
present within him when he ate. Just like us, when we begin to have the law writen on our hearts, it begins to show us, and slay
us as well, that is the old nature, and then makes us Alive unto God. I hope this helps. May God open our eyes even wider to
see HIM, in all of His wonderful Attributes.

Blessings
 
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Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

6174
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H6191 (in its original sense); nude, either partially or totally: - naked.

Notice their very close to one another
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A primitive root; properly to be (or make) bare; but used only in the derived sense (through the idea perhaps of smoothness) bo be cunning (usually in a bad sense): - X very, beware, take crafty [counsel], be prudent, deal subtilly.

6175 subtil
Passive participle of H6191; cunning (usually in a bad sense): - crafty, prudent, subtil.

The man, and the Serpent, coinsedent?