Serious Questions about the Trinity

[zackabba]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?


3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?



There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).



Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.



Grace and Love

 

[4evrHis]

Your putting too much thought into the whole thing. You need to believe with child like faith in order to please Him. I don't believe we are meant to know everything here and now. God always is and was and in order for Him to restore mankind He had to have a sinless sacrifice therefore He had a son through the virgin Mary and then when Jesus went away after His resurrection He sent us the Holy Ghost to comfort and teach us. We cannot get to God unless we go through Jesus. God is too holy and before Jesus it took a priest to offer burnt offerings and sacrifice for man's sins but now Jesus took the place and we can come boldly to the throne to seek God.

 

[zackabba]

Your putting too much thought into the whole thing. You need to believe with child like faith in order to please Him. I don't believe we are meant to know everything here and now. God always is and was and in order for Him to restore mankind He had to have a sinless sacrifice therefore He had a son through the virgin Mary and then when Jesus went away after His resurrection He sent us the Holy Ghost to comfort and teach us. We cannot get to God unless we go through Jesus. God is too holy and before Jesus it took a priest to offer burnt offerings and sacrifice for man's sins but now Jesus took the place and we can come boldly to the throne to seek God.

I'm trying to figure out who God is. Like the Bereans, I'm trying to search the Scriptures to see if these things are true, to see if the Trinity is really in the Bible.



Grace and Love

 

[cronjecj]

I'm trying to figure out who God is. Like the Bereans, I'm trying to search the Scriptures to see if these things are true, to see if the Trinity is really in the Bible.



Grace and Love

zackabba, do not try and figure it out just believe that He is.

Forget trinity.

There is one God (Christ=Father=Holy Spirit=God=Lord of hosts=angel of the Lord=I AM THAT I AM)

Jesus is God in the beginning, the same God became flesh (Christ)

No confusion.

Just believe.

 

[Broern]

I'm trying to figure out who God is. Like the Bereans, I'm trying to search the Scriptures to see if these things are true, to see if the Trinity is really in the Bible.



Grace and Love

I appreciate very much your desire to figure out who God is. There is truly only ONE God. From the Bible, He manifested in three divine being. The one we call the Father manifested on earth as a voice from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."(Matt. 3:17; Matt. 17:5;Mark 9:7; Luke 3:22; 2 Peter 1:17). The Father is spirit and spoken from heaven. Only Jesus Christ knows everything about the Father.(John 8:42; 55)

Jesus Christ manifested as a man on earth and called Himself "Son of man."(Luke 11:30). The word "son" really gives confusion. John 1:18 says, . . . "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father." As a human being, our concept of the word "son" is "another" person that came from a woman. Jesus was sent from the Father in heaven and the Holy Spirit "possibly" did something to Mary's womb to receive Jesus and be born as a baby. If Jesus came as a grown man on earth, there will be more confusion and debates on His coming. Jesus was already Jesus before the creation. Jesus said He was Jesus even before Abraham was born (John 8:56-58). With God all things are possible (Matt. 19:26).Jesus was born without a father and left no physical body on the grave. But after Jesus resurrected, Thomas touch His wound and called Him "My Lord and God" (John 20:27-28).

The Holy Spirit is another manifestation as one of the divine being on earth. You can easily find books about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach all things and remind us all the command of Jesus.

I pray that this can help you figure out the one God who manifested in three divine being on earth. You have to accept the things of God by faith. Without faith God is not please with us and can not receive wisdom to understand the things of God.

 

[zackabba]

I appreciate very much your desire to figure out who God is. There is truly only ONE God. From the Bible, He manifested in three divine being. The one we call the Father manifested on earth as a voice from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."(Matt. 3:17; Matt. 17:5;Mark 9:7; Luke 3:22; 2 Peter 1:17). The Father is spirit and spoken from heaven. Only Jesus Christ knows everything about the Father.(John 8:42; 55)

Jesus Christ manifested as a man on earth and called Himself "Son of man."(Luke 11:30). The word "son" really gives confusion. John 1:18 says, . . . "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father." As a human being, our concept of the word "son" is "another" person that came from a woman. Jesus was sent from the Father in heaven and the Holy Spirit "possibly" did something to Mary's womb to receive Jesus and be born as a baby. If Jesus came as a grown man on earth, there will be more confusion and debates on His coming. Jesus was already Jesus before the creation. Jesus said He was Jesus even before Abraham was born (John 8:56-58). With God all things are possible (Matt. 19:26).Jesus was born without a father and left no physical body on the grave. But after Jesus resurrected, Thomas touch His wound and called Him "My Lord and God" (John 20:27-28).

The Holy Spirit is another manifestation as one of the divine being on earth. You can easily find books about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach all things and remind us all the command of Jesus.

I pray that this can help you figure out the one God who manifested in three divine being on earth. You have to accept the things of God by faith. Without faith God is not please with us and can not receive wisdom to understand the things of God.

That's the problem I have, though - the Trinity doesn't day that God is three divine beings, but three divine persons. If they were truly three beings, that would mean they are three gods, not one God.


The arguments against Jesus being God just seem convincing to me. And I don't want a blind faith - I want to see Jesus as He is. I want to honor Him the right way, not the wrong way.



Grace and Love

 

[CrimsonFlames]

Zack

I'm not exactly a trinity kinda guy either.., but God is ONE

Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."

God the Father is Spirit.., God the Father is Holy.., None is Holy but the Father.., I conclude the Holy Spirit IS the Father.

Anyone feel free to correct me if they dont agree

The word was in the beginning and the word became flesh.., I and the father are ONE

Jesus.., the son of God IS YHWH come in the flesh

simple.., ONE God who came in the flesh., not so hard from how I view it but Im always open for correction on this topic

 

[Cleante]

That's the problem I have, though - the Trinity doesn't day that God is three divine beings, but three divine persons. If they were truly three beings, that would mean they are three gods, not one God.


The arguments against Jesus being God just seem convincing to me. And I don't want a blind faith - I want to see Jesus as He is. I want to honor Him the right way, not the wrong way.



Grace and Love

Not quite... Three hypostasis, One Ousia. You cannot really convey Hypostases (Greek) / Personae (Latin) in modern English without some loss.

All of your questions are re-hashes of what has already been discussed in the history of Christianity. You should possibly consider looking into the Council of Nicea and some Early Church Writers.

Example from Basil the Great, "In a brief statement, I shall say that essence (ousia) is related to substance (hypostasis) as the general to the particular. Each one of us partakes of existence because he shares in ousia while because of his individual properties he is A or B. So, in the case in question, ousia refers to the general conception, like goodness, godhead, or such notions, while hypostasis is observed in the special properties of fatherhood, sonship, and sanctifying power. If then they speak of persons without hypostasis they are talking nonsense, ex hypothesi; but if they admit that the person exists in real hypostasis, as they do acknowledge, let them so number them as to preserve the principles of the homoousion in the unity of the godhead, and proclaim their reverent acknowledgment of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in the complete and perfect hypostasis of each person so named."

 

[shroom2]

...Forget trinity...

AMEN to that!

 

[duewell]

i think i have tried talking about with others before. three beings with a shared consciousness. Father Son an Holy Spirit. its clear all over in the bible that Jesus is the son of God. its clear Jesus prayed to God the father. its also clear that God talked to Jesus as his son. just from those versus in the bible we can see that they are two different entities. what makes Jesus, God and God, Jesus is the Holy Spirit. this is what connects the consciousness between father and son making them as one. whats even better is we as Christians will experience this. where it will be Father, Son, Holy Spirit, you. the shared consciousness becomes a part of you, yet you remain a separate being. Christianity teaches that our highest goal is to be conformed to Christ. to be like the Son of God. he will be in us as he was in the father and the father was in him and will be in us, connected by the Holy Spirit. we are all already a part of this. most are just not aware of it yet.

when a bee hive works there are individuals in the hive, yet they all share in serving the hive. its a poor example but it close. your hands and feet are part of the body and at one with your body. so it is in heaven. the hands and feet serve the body, yet sometimes they do so without knowing why the body does it. this is why Jesus said only his father knows the day. when you repent, you take on the mind of Christ, you will be conformed to his image by the Spirit. God will look at you and see you are like his Son.

the Holy Spirit works to bring us to Jesus, Jesus works to bring us to God. they desire to be with us. we desire to be with them. one day we will all be aware that we always were. our sinful selves blind us to this. i cannot urge enough to people that it is very important to repent. my greatest joy was when i experienced these things, my greatest fear is others may not. repentance and asking Jesus for help is the path. the trinity will take care of the rest if you follow with faith.

Duewell

 

[jonathanbchristian]

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions aviod, knowing that they do engender strifes.

I believe the OP's questions are unlearned questions. There are plenty of verses that clear up these questions and are not mentioned by the OP. You should have been more studied Zack.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

There is the answer to the Trinity in 1 John 5:7.

There is not one Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus the Son. In fact the Father is distinguished from the Holy Spirit in the Bible. You should stay with the truth of the Scripture not make up questions. The Father is the Father is a very simple doctrine; I believe you are confusing yourself.

The Bible does not contain the symbol of a triangle for God, though it was used in bible college by one of my teachers I must warn you not to build doctrines from man made teachings. The Scripture places Jesus at the right hand of God the Father not in a triangle.

Study to show yourself approved Zack. You need better questions so that someone might answer you.

 

[prophecyman]

John 4:24... God is a Spirit (Holy Spirit). Gen. 1:1-3 God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and God said... let there be light! Certainly the Spirit speaks the Word.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Spirit) of his mouth. John 1:14-18 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. (John bore witness to him, and cried, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.'") And from his fulness have we all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

The Father who is the Spirit came down from heaven and made Mary pregnant, when the Angel was inquired of Mary how shall this be? He replied: The power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, and that holy thing (One) in thee is of the Holy Spirit. The Father is the Holy Spirit and the Son came forth from the Father, When you see me, you see the Father. I and my Father are One.

The words and language not found in the bible are...

1.Three Persons
2. Triune God
3. Trinity
4. God the Son
5. Three manifestations, but One God or God in three persons.
6. Hypostasis (substance of the Father)... God is not a substance but is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

These six examples are but a few that was born straight out of the counsel of Nicea (325 A.D.) If we forsake the traditional lanquage of the Church Fathers and read the bible as it speaks to us, then we will conclude one God, and the Father dwelt (lived) in the Son, and the Son was the only begotten ( born of the Father). Jesus said: When you see me, you see the Father, read the entire 14th Chapter of John as it so describes the true nature of our God and who he is.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. John saw one throne in the book of Revelations and one who sat on that throne, the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the World. 2 Cor. 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ...

Colossians 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,. Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Luke. 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan. Eph. 4:5-6 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. That is if you were born again! Rom.3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith... Jesus! John 8:24... I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he , ye shall die in your sins. John 8:58... Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!" Isa 48:12... "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. Rev.22:13... I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. You can not have 3 first and last! This is only a sample that proves there is only one God. Jesus plainly decared that the Father is greater than I, but yet he thought it not robbery to be equal with God, For Jesus was the spokesman for the Father, for he said my doctrine (teaching) is not mine, but the Father who sent me. Jesus heard what the Father taught him to say because the all the fulness of the Father lived in the Son, the Son yet had to pray to the Father, the Son was not the Father, but the Father dwelt (Lived in him). Jesus is the the only visible manifestation of the inwelling living invisible Father, he told his disciples... knowest thou not that the Father is in me and I am in the Father? He that has seen me has seen the Father, how sayest thou then, shew us the Father?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Not quite... Three hypostasis, One Ousia. You cannot really convey Hypostases (Greek) / Personae (Latin) in modern English without some loss.

All of your questions are re-hashes of what has already been discussed in the history of Christianity. You should possibly consider looking into the Council of Nicea and some Early Church Writers.

Example from Basil the Great, "In a brief statement, I shall say that essence (ousia) is related to substance (hypostasis) as the general to the particular. Each one of us partakes of existence because he shares in ousia while because of his individual properties he is A or B. So, in the case in question, ousia refers to the general conception, like goodness, godhead, or such notions, while hypostasis is observed in the special properties of fatherhood, sonship, and sanctifying power. If then they speak of persons without hypostasis they are talking nonsense, ex hypothesi; but if they admit that the person exists in real hypostasis, as they do acknowledge, let them so number them as to preserve the principles of the homoousion in the unity of the godhead, and proclaim their reverent acknowledgment of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in the complete and perfect hypostasis of each person so named."

this really just sounds like someone who thinks he has managed to fit God into a test tube...

 

[Cleante]

this really just sounds like someone who thinks he has managed to fit God into a test tube...

And your point being? The original poster asked a question and I provided some possible research leads in order to answer their question.

This really just sounds like a post without any substance.

 

[prophecyman]

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions aviod, knowing that they do engender strifes.

I believe the OP's questions are unlearned questions. There are plenty of verses that clear up these questions and are not mentioned by the OP. You should have been more studied Zack.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

There is the answer to the Trinity in 1 John 5:7.

There is not one Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus the Son. In fact the Father is distinguished from the Holy Spirit in the Bible. You should stay with the truth of the Scripture not make up questions. The Father is the Father is a very simple doctrine; I believe you are confusing yourself.

The Bible does not contain the symbol of a triangle for God, though it was used in bible college by one of my teachers I must warn you not to build doctrines from man made teachings. The Scripture places Jesus at the right hand of God the Father not in a triangle.

Study to show yourself approved Zack. You need better questions so that someone might answer you.

Not to engender strife, but 1John 5:7 is a very late Greek insertion that only came about in the early 16th century by those priests known as Jesuits to support the doctrine of the then Catholic Church. Erasmus said that if they could produce a single copy, then he would insert the verse in his translation. Which when they produced it, he Erasmus viewed it with great suspicion. The other point you mentioned about the Holy Spirit not being the Father of the Holy One, is either blindly concluding that the Spirit is another person, which is not at all biblical.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Amazon.com: Forgotten Trinity, The (9781556617256): James R. White: Books <--- I suggest this book

 

[trust_in_the_name]

1. Since the Holy Spirit begot Jesus through Mary, doesn't that mean He has to be God the Father of Jesus?

The Holy Spirit was in this sense only an intermediate, carrying out the will of the Father.

2. When we call God a "He," who are we referring to? Is there are fourth person suggested by this?

For example, what if I say "I believe in God - I believe in Him." Who is the "Him" referring to? One or all of the persons of God, or the being of God?

Usually, the Trinity model has "God" in the middle, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in a Triangle around it. However, when we call God a "He," this is what it seems to suggest instead:

{-----------Son (person)
GOD (person?){ ------------Father (person)
{---------- Holy Spirit (person)


Or does it not?

Since there is only one God, and God is one, we can refer to Him as "He" without referring specifically to the Father, Son, or Spirit. Of course, we can also refer specifically to any one of those as "He" too.

3. When in Isaiah 53 God says that He will raise up His servant...who was speaking? Is the Father speaking now? Is the Son speaking about His servant (Himself?)?

It couldn't have been the Son, so it must have been the Father.

4. If Jesus has the nature of God, how can He be "granted" to have life in Himself?

I don't understand the question. Remember that through the Incarnation he took on humanity, so in so doing he was granted human life.

5. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "Not my will but yours be done?" Isn't His will God's will, since He is God incarnate? (not the Father but the Son.)

I think this has something to do with his divinity being veiled by his humanity. In order to be fully human, He had to behave according to what is appropriate for humans, which includes desiring the will of the Father. This verse shows that as a human, Jesus had a will of his own, separate from the Father. This makes sense, since he had to go through circumstances unique to himself, such as the Crucifixion.

6. If Jesus has the nature of God, why would He say "If you believe in Me, you do not believe in Me, but in Him who sent me?" How can you not believe in Jesus if He is God?

Again because he was fully human and in that role it was the Father, having sent Jesus, who was ultimately in charge.

7. A more obvious question, why did the Son not know the day of His return? I know the argument that He laid aside divine rights when He took on human flesh - but how can you lay aside knowledge? I understand laying aside authority (which was given back to Him I guess when He came here...and when He went into heaven), but knowledge?

That's just an argument from incredulity. All things are possible for God. In any case I'm not sure if the Son ever did or even now does know this.

8. Can I say "There is one God, the Father," as in 1 Corinthians 8:6, or must I say "There is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Wasn't Paul excluding the Son and the Holy Spirit here?

It's ok to refer to God as the Father, without mentioning the Son or Spirit. Not mentioning them is not an implication that they aren't God.

I understand we could say "The Father is the one God." But can we say "the one God is the Father..."?

As above, it doesn't provide all relevant information, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

There are more questions I have, but this is suitable for now. Please understand - I really am trying to get a hold on this. Why is it so complicated? I have read much on the Trinity. I've listened to James White's debates, I've read Putting Jesus in His Place, I have tried to study the passages of Scripture with the little knowledge I have, I have done more - but just as the Trinity seems to be right, another question pops up in my head (and it usually goes unanswered).

Just try to answer the best you can - but please do it after praying and searching deeply. I don't want throw-off answers - this is serious. Don't even look at my age, just look at the questions.

Grace and Love

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

And your point being? The original poster asked a question and I provided some possible research leads in order to answer their question.

This really just sounds like a post without any substance.

my point is that i don't see anywhere in scripture a quantity of information that would justify using that level of detail and specificity to describe God...

and i doubt that basil was claiming to receive a new revelation...it would probably have been considered heresy if he claimed that...

so it just looks to me like basil was making wild extrapolations from human knowledge in order to describe God

so much for apophatic theology...

 

[zackabba]

Well, I think, after praying about this, and having the Spirit speak to me, I have come to this conclusion.



Jesus is my Lord and my God.




I was talking to my dad about it, saying "Why wasn't the Trinity mentioned in the Bible (literally the word) if it was so important?" He responded "Well, maybe it was just assumed."

Then I said "Well, why would Paul write something like Phillippians 2:5-11 - that was important, right?"


Then I started going through the verses...and stopped. It really does show that Jesus had the nature of God, or at least was pre-existant.


He was in the form of God, but then took on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of human (sinful) flesh. How could He do this if He was not pre-existent? It'd be like me saying "Zack, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking on the form of a servant..." Doesn't it sound a bit weird when it's about me?



The reason I posted this recent posting is that I just wanted to clear this up a little bit - actually, by the Spirit's leading, I could probably answer all the questions up there.



For example, in Isaiah 53, was Jesus talking about Himself? This is still a bit hard for me to answer (myself), but I do know that the Spirit of Christ was actually in the prophets...predicting the sufferings of Christ to come (see 1 Peter chapter 1). So...either a) Jesus was the Spirit in them b) The Spirit of Christ, the one He now owns, is the Holy Spirit.


I would have to say b).



To answer some things posted on here:

1. No, Jesus isn't the Holy Spirit - that's clear from Scripture. How could Jesus send Himself inside of us? He was talking about another Comforter, who proceeded from the Father, given to Jesus, and from there sent by the Father and Jesus to us. Jesus and the Father live inside us by their Spirit, the Holy Spirit, for, since they all have the nature of God, if the Holy Spirit is inside us, then in that way they are all in us.


2. As for Jesus not having life in himself, not having his own teaching, etc. - I believe that was a result of Him (Phil 2:5-11 ! ) taking on the form of a servant - He still had flesh, and still does have it, and always will.




I've learned that, when I struggle with this doctrine (I have more times than you know), it always clears up when I just BELIEVE in Christ.




A little thing to think about: isn't it a bit...strange...that most of the other heresies in the church have involved rejecting Jesus as God? They have their own other little things as well, but they're certainly consistent in denying Him as the one true God - look at Arius for example.





Grace and Love

 

[zackabba]

The Holy Spirit was in this sense only an intermediate, carrying out the will of the Father.



Since there is only one God, and God is one, we can refer to Him as "He" without referring specifically to the Father, Son, or Spirit. Of course, we can also refer specifically to any one of those as "He" too.



It couldn't have been the Son, so it must have been the Father.



I don't understand the question. Remember that through the Incarnation he took on humanity, so in so doing he was granted human life.



I think this has something to do with his divinity being veiled by his humanity. In order to be fully human, He had to behave according to what is appropriate for humans, which includes desiring the will of the Father. This verse shows that as a human, Jesus had a will of his own, separate from the Father. This makes sense, since he had to go through circumstances unique to himself, such as the Crucifixion.



Again because he was fully human and in that role it was the Father, having sent Jesus, who was ultimately in charge.



That's just an argument from incredulity. All things are possible for God. In any case I'm not sure if the Son ever did or even now does know this.



It's ok to refer to God as the Father, without mentioning the Son or Spirit. Not mentioning them is not an implication that they aren't God.



As above, it doesn't provide all relevant information, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

A big amen to all of this! I'm glad I actually didn't take the time to answer my own questions, because I was just about to do so. Thanks for the answers!



Grace and Love