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I expect an answer to my question.

Jesus said no man can come to the father but by me


so the question is
What will happen to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea and the rest of the prophets? Are they all lost? Because the word of God cannot be broken. Jesus said I am the door, no man can come to the father but by me.


No trick of the tongue please.
God's word cannot be broken...
 
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Journey., whoever implied that people under the Old Covenant could not be saved? I dont think anyone has said any such thing

However you are trying to imply that people can still come to God by the Old Covenant if they choose not to accept the New Covenant and Jesus
 
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journey41 said:
I expect an answer to my question.

Jesus said no man can come to the father but by me


so the question is
What will happen to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea and the rest of the prophets? Are they all lost? Because the word of God cannot be broken. Jesus said I am the door, no man can come to the father but by me.


No trick of the tongue please.
God's word cannot be broken...
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The word says that Christ was slain before the foundation of the world Revelation 13:8 (KJV)

All the saints in the OT was saved because they believed God, through Christ they were saved.

Moses, Isaiah and all the prophets knew about the messiah which was still to come.
 
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This is probably geared toward some who Interpret Israel in a certain way. Anyways here are some verses..

The prophets were looking forward to Jesus. They prophesied about him.

Matth 13

16 "But your eyes are blessed because they do see, and your ears because they do hear! 17 For I assure you: Many prophets and righteous people longed to see the things you see yet didn't see them; to hear the things you hear yet didn't hear them.

Acts 3

23 And it will be that everyone who will not listen to that Prophet will be completely cut off from the people.

24 "In addition, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those after him, have also announced these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your forefathers, saying to Abraham, And in your seed all the families of the earth will be blessed.


1 Peter 1

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that would come to you searched and carefully investigated. 11 They inquired into what time or what circumstances [c] the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when He testified in advance to the messianic sufferings [d] and the glories that would follow. [e
 
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Hebrews 11

23 By faith Moses, after he was born, was hidden by his parents for three months, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they didn't fear the king's edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter 25 and chose to suffer with the people of God rather than to enjoy the short-lived pleasure of sin. 26 For he considered reproach for the sake of the Messiah to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, since his attention was on the reward.
 
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1still_waters said:
Hebrews 11

23 By faith Moses, after he was born, was hidden by his parents for three months, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they didn't fear the king's edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter 25 and chose to suffer with the people of God rather than to enjoy the short-lived pleasure of sin. 26 For he considered reproach for the sake of the Messiah to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, since his attention was on the reward.
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Interesting. Who is this Messiah or "Anointed One" then?
 
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TheAristocat said:
Interesting. Who is this Messiah or "Anointed One" then?
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Jesus. My HCSB translates it Messiah. Most versions translate it Christ.


KJV
25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.


NASB
25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of [q]Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward.
 
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journey41 said:
I expect an answer to my question.

Jesus said no man can come to the father but by me


so the question is
What will happen to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea and the rest of the prophets? Are they all lost? Because the word of God cannot be broken. Jesus said I am the door, no man can come to the father but by me.


No trick of the tongue please.
God's word cannot be broken...
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Re: I expect an answer from you so called learned Christians

talk about puffed up





pffft.
 
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TheAristocat said:
Interesting. Who is this Messiah or "Anointed One" then?
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Btw, who do you think are the other options for anointed one or Messiah? I mean I'd expect a Christian to kinda know this one! the only way I wouldn't expect a Christian to know it is if they had some interpretation of scripture that demanded they not translate it that way.

So just wondering, what are the other options for Messiah or anointed one in your mind?
 
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1still_waters said:
Btw, who do you think are the other options for anointed one or Messiah? I mean I'd expect a Christian to kinda know this one! the only way I wouldn't expect a Christian to know it is if they had some interpretation of scripture that demanded they not translate it that way.

So just wondering, what are the other options for Messiah or anointed one in your mind?
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lol don't worry. There are many "anointed ones" in the Bible and they aren't all THE Anointed One. just wanted to be clear on who you were talking about. Interesting stuff.
 
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lol don't worry. There are many "anointed ones" in the Bible and they aren't all THE Anointed One. just wanted to be clear on who you were talking about. Interesting stuff.
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Just be careful. The KJV translates it Christ, BIG C. So if you don't think it's Christ, the KJV onlyers might be coming for you. ;)
 
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TheAristocat said:
lol don't worry. There are many "anointed ones" in the Bible and they aren't all THE Anointed One. just wanted to be clear on who you were talking about. Interesting stuff.
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You asked who is the Messiah?
 
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1still_waters said:
Just be careful. The KJV translates it Christ, BIG C. So if you don't think it's Christ, the KJV onlyers might be coming for you. ;)
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lol Yeah, I didn't see the reference to him suffering, so I think it's pretty clear who this Anointed One is. Very interesting material. As the only thing that Paul and the rest of the early Christians had to go on, I'd like an explanation from the Old Testament sometime. And I can understand how some of the prophecies pointed to him.

Personally, the prophecies and such that would do it for me would be meditation on the sacrificial system in the Torah, God's rejection as king over the Israelites early on, God's coming to Abraham in the form of a man, God walking (a human action) in the Garden, and the prophecy of the suffering servant as well as some prophecies in Daniel. Those would set a pretty firm basis for Christ before the New Testament. But what conclusions the earliest patriarchs came to and how they concluded them would be very interesting to discover.
 
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CrimsonFlames said:
Journey., whoever implied that people under the Old Covenant could not be saved? I dont think anyone has said any such thing

However you are trying to imply that people can still come to God by the Old Covenant if they choose not to accept the New Covenant and Jesus
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Crimson, where did I say or imply that people can still come to God by the old covenant?

I quoted Jesus saying that "No man can come to the Father except by me"

I am asking a simple question, and I would appreciate a simple answer.
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cronjecj said:
The word says that Christ was slain before the foundation of the world Revelation 13:8 (KJV)

All the saints in the OT was saved because they believed God, through Christ they were saved.

Moses, Isaiah and all the prophets knew about the messiah which was still to come.
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They were not under Christ in the OT. They were under the Law.

Christ is the door, and that door was opened after his death and resurrection.
 
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journey41

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1still_waters said:
This is probably geared toward some who Interpret Israel in a certain way. Anyways here are some verses..

The prophets were looking forward to Jesus. They prophesied about him.

Matth 13

16 "But your eyes are blessed because they do see, and your ears because they do hear! 17 For I assure you: Many prophets and righteous people longed to see the things you see yet didn't see them; to hear the things you hear yet didn't hear them.

Acts 3

23 And it will be that everyone who will not listen to that Prophet will be completely cut off from the people.

24 "In addition, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those after him, have also announced these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your forefathers, saying to Abraham, And in your seed all the families of the earth will be blessed.


1 Peter 1

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that would come to you searched and carefully investigated. 11 They inquired into what time or what circumstances [c] the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when He testified in advance to the messianic sufferings [d] and the glories that would follow. [e
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Yes, they prophesied about Jesus, but were not under him. They never knew him. All those who were under the Law will be judged by the Law. Grace was later to be given to the gentiles.
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journey41 said:
Crimson, where did I say or imply that people can still come to God by the old covenant?

I quoted Jesus saying that "No man can come to the Father except by me"

I am asking a simple question, and I would appreciate a simple answer.
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The simple answer here is everyone in the OT who believed in God were made righteous through Christ because God IS Christ.

....because it is written Christ has been slain before the foundation the world Revelation 13:8 (KJV)


It's like this,

no one can come to the Father (God) but by me (God) John 14:6 (KJV)
 
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1still_waters said:
Hebrews 11

23 By faith Moses, after he was born, was hidden by his parents for three months, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they didn't fear the king's edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter 25 and chose to suffer with the people of God rather than to enjoy the short-lived pleasure of sin. 26 For he considered reproach for the sake of the Messiah to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, since his attention was on the reward.
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Yes, Moses had faith. So did Abraham and all the prophets. But they were still under the Law (except Abraham of course)
 
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