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No. It is not true. The only way one goes to hell is by not believing in the Son of God.
John 3: 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
The fact that you believe means that God has saved you.
Jesus taught a different way of giving.
Matthew 6:1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
God wants the assembly of believers to apply faith in His Providence that He will provide what the church needs so that they do not look to each memner of the congregation to provide it. Whatever the church received, they should do so with thanksgiving and lead by example to be content with what bounty God provided. Provision for missionaries or saints that are ministering, the church was to set aside a portion from the bounty collected to support them as provided by God and not make a "special collection" unless they appear to be doing it out of covetousness, looking to the believers to provide for the church.
2 Corinthians 9: 5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
Many false teachings have come out of tithing and this is the first one I came across as going to hell for not tithing, so do not believe it. God loves a cheerful giver. You cannot be a cheerful giver if under the threat of going to hell for not giving or tithing.
John 3: 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
The fact that you believe means that God has saved you.
Jesus taught a different way of giving.
Matthew 6:1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
God wants the assembly of believers to apply faith in His Providence that He will provide what the church needs so that they do not look to each memner of the congregation to provide it. Whatever the church received, they should do so with thanksgiving and lead by example to be content with what bounty God provided. Provision for missionaries or saints that are ministering, the church was to set aside a portion from the bounty collected to support them as provided by God and not make a "special collection" unless they appear to be doing it out of covetousness, looking to the believers to provide for the church.
2 Corinthians 9: 5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
Many false teachings have come out of tithing and this is the first one I came across as going to hell for not tithing, so do not believe it. God loves a cheerful giver. You cannot be a cheerful giver if under the threat of going to hell for not giving or tithing.
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Once we are Christian, I think we should stop doing things (or not doing things) for fear of going to Hell, and rather start doing (or not doing things) because we love Jesus and want to live in all the fullness of life He has to offer us...
...that made sense in my head, I'm not sure if it made as much sense written out... ah well... I fall over words sometimes.
...that made sense in my head, I'm not sure if it made as much sense written out... ah well... I fall over words sometimes.
That is pretty much what I think it says. I forget exactly where; but isn't there something written that says something about giving according you ones abilitites? In other words, give what you can, when you can? Right now, with me being out of work and unable to give anything I've been getting the feeling that some people in the congregation are starting to look down on me because I can't/don't give much or at all
The modern day church tithe was introduced in the middle ages by the Catholic church. Nothing wrong with that, priests and churches needed to be kept running, whereas previously they provided for themselves with their own hands. But it's good to consider the history of the tithe, to put it's use in proper perspective. The ideas that you go to hell for not tithing is not true, neither is the belief that if you don't tithe your finances are cursed. But if youi don't tithe, and your pastor or priests lives off that tithe, it's like muzzling an ox.
When I was a member of the Mormon Church, Tithes were a major topic. For example: in order to be given help with food or job search assistance or any callings in the church I was asked if I'm a full tithe payer (10% of my income) If the answer I gave was no, then no help or assistance would be given.
In other words: A person had to buy into the Mormon church as well as into heaven (According to them)
Needless to say, I'm not a Mormon anymore. I am a Christian. And we all know what that means.
In other words: A person had to buy into the Mormon church as well as into heaven (According to them)
Needless to say, I'm not a Mormon anymore. I am a Christian. And we all know what that means.
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"8 Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' in thithes and offerings." Malachi 3:8....
So if I did not give my tithes to the Church it simply means i rob God... and stealing is not good it is subject to God's judgment ( Habakkuk. 2:6) and can be excluded from the kingdom of God (1Corinthians 6:9-10)
So if I did not give my tithes to the Church it simply means i rob God... and stealing is not good it is subject to God's judgment ( Habakkuk. 2:6) and can be excluded from the kingdom of God (1Corinthians 6:9-10)
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This is a tough subject I think. I am not really sure if somebody could answer my question that would be awesome. I don't have a job or anything, but some Sunday's my parents give me money for coffee now sometimes I by coffee sometimes I give it all to the offering. I feel wrong though when I buy the coffee because I don't need it. I also feel wrong because it's not my own money that I am giving. Am I wrong?
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The important thing to remember is that we are not under the law. If tithing was so important, then why was that left out as instructions to the Gentile believers that did not tithe at all?
Acts 15:3And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. .........23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
So where is the commandment to tithe? Nowhere in sight for the Lord loves a cheerful giver, and you cannot be a cheerful giver if you have to tithe.
Psalm 51:15O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalm 50: 6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. 7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Hebrew 13:15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Ephesians 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Colossians 3:17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
So those that give are doing so out of a cheerful heart and not for keeping up with tithing. The Lord will provide for the church. If the preacher from the pulpit cannot live by example what he preaches to every believer when they go home to do and that is to look to God to provide, then his faith in God's Providence is dead. The church where all believers gather should be living by faith there as well as living by faith for their individual lives at home in God's Providence.
Acts 15:3And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. 4And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. .........23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
So where is the commandment to tithe? Nowhere in sight for the Lord loves a cheerful giver, and you cannot be a cheerful giver if you have to tithe.
Psalm 51:15O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalm 50: 6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. 7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Hebrew 13:15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Ephesians 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Colossians 3:17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
So those that give are doing so out of a cheerful heart and not for keeping up with tithing. The Lord will provide for the church. If the preacher from the pulpit cannot live by example what he preaches to every believer when they go home to do and that is to look to God to provide, then his faith in God's Providence is dead. The church where all believers gather should be living by faith there as well as living by faith for their individual lives at home in God's Providence.
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Psalm 51:15O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalm 50: 6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. 7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Hebrew 13:15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Ephesians 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Colossians 3:17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
So those that give are doing so out of a cheerful heart and not for keeping up with tithing. The Lord will provide for the church. If the preacher from the pulpit cannot live by example what he preaches to every believer when they go home to do and that is to look to God to provide, then his faith in God's Providence is dead. The church where all believers gather should be living by faith there as well as living by faith for their individual lives at home in God's Providence.
So you need not feel guilty. The Lord would rather you'd drink your coffee and give thanks for the coffee than give out of compulsion or necccessity.
2 Corinthians 9: 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
I used to read verse 6 as being on the believer, but reading it with verse 8 shows it is on God to provide for the church and that is where the faith in God's Providence should be applied in for the supplying of the church's bounty to minister by.
Psalm 50: 6And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. 7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Hebrew 13:15By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Ephesians 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Colossians 3:17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
So those that give are doing so out of a cheerful heart and not for keeping up with tithing. The Lord will provide for the church. If the preacher from the pulpit cannot live by example what he preaches to every believer when they go home to do and that is to look to God to provide, then his faith in God's Providence is dead. The church where all believers gather should be living by faith there as well as living by faith for their individual lives at home in God's Providence.
So you need not feel guilty. The Lord would rather you'd drink your coffee and give thanks for the coffee than give out of compulsion or necccessity.
2 Corinthians 9: 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
I used to read verse 6 as being on the believer, but reading it with verse 8 shows it is on God to provide for the church and that is where the faith in God's Providence should be applied in for the supplying of the church's bounty to minister by.
Giving is very important, God does not want a stingy Christian besides Jesus gave His life for us so why should it be hard to give to Him? He wants generous people that are willing to share for the development of the church. If someone cannot give tithe due to lack of money, it's ok. They just have to make sure they have a good relationship with God and give to Him in other ways because our work for God is important. If you have and you do not give, it is a sin (disobedience) since God instructed it: "Give and it shall be given unto you" the measure you give is the measure you will receive.
Therefore, give if you have in obedience to God or do not give if you don't have BUT find other ways to give to God.
Therefore, give if you have in obedience to God or do not give if you don't have BUT find other ways to give to God.
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Giving is important, but tithing is not. The Lord is able to raise up cheerful givers as He will provide for the church.
Your quote from that verse is an exhortation to give; not a commandment. One cannot be a cheerful giver when one has to give.
2 Corinthians 9:2 Corinthians 9: 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
Your quote from that verse is an exhortation to give; not a commandment. One cannot be a cheerful giver when one has to give.
2 Corinthians 9:2 Corinthians 9: 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
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Most churches do not even use the tithe for what the word says it for, like the fatherless, widows, and strangers, and it was so that they would have food in their storehouses.
In the new testament we are told not to forget about the poor.
The new testament also says not to give out of obligation.
We are to give freely to those who are in need, and as we give freely, God freely gives us what we need!
You should support your church and your Pastors,
a worker is worthy of His wages!
In the new testament we are told not to forget about the poor.
The new testament also says not to give out of obligation.
We are to give freely to those who are in need, and as we give freely, God freely gives us what we need!
You should support your church and your Pastors,
a worker is worthy of His wages!
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