THE REAL STORY OF CHANUKKAH

Avinu · Dec 12, 2011

TRUE STORY OF CHANUKKAH; In a nutshell, the Maccabean brothers between 160 & 180 b.c. rose up and recaptured the temple from Antiochus Opiphinus, reconsecrated it, and rededicated it to YHVH.
There is no miracle of the oil, that is a fabricated story.
The dreidel came about around 200 yrs. later after Rome became the new world empire, when Rome outlawed the studying of Torah.
So the Jews would play the dreidel game with coins as a cover, but were really using it to learn Torah.
The gift giving was never a part of Chanukkah until America.
The jewish families that lived in America, their children thought it unfair that the american kids got presents for xmas, so they started giving a gift for each day of the celebration, which is 8 days, and the reason it is 8 days is because they had not been able to celebrate the feast of Sukkot.
So short version, Chanukkah is about regaining the Temple and that was the true miracle. Chag Sameach, Shalom.

Grandpa · Dec 12, 2011

I read the Maccabees in my grandmothers bible. It had a couple other books that I had never seen too. I found out it was a Catholic bible. And I guess they put a couple extra books in there.

I always wondered before I read this book where Hannukkah came from. I never saw it in the bible that I read. The regular KJV of the bible does not have 1st or 2nd Maccabees in it.

So it is kind of like the Jewish 4th of July?... Independence day.

Avinu · Dec 12, 2011

I read the Maccabees in my grandmothers bible. It had a couple other books that I had never seen too. I found out it was a Catholic bible. And I guess they put a couple extra books in there.

I always wondered before I read this book where Hannukkah came from. I never saw it in the bible that I read. The regular KJV of the bible does not have 1st or 2nd Maccabees in it.

So it is kind of like the Jewish 4th of July?... Independence day.

Not quite a independance day, May 14 is Israel's independence day, but a miracle victory celebration. Because these 5 brothers along with a small group, took on Antiochus and his armies and won to recapture the temple of YHVH. It's not a Biblical holiday, but in the NT, it is given recognition in John 10:22, The feast of Dedication. It indicates that even Yeshua participated in it. It is a fun celebration.

AnandaHya · Dec 12, 2011

mmmm...

John 10

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?[c] 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[d] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

yes Hannukkah is the rededication of the second temple.

CHRISTMAS is in celebration of Immanuel who made His temple with men and taught people how to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.

what temple Does JESUS teach about?

John 2:18-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them;[a] and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Avinu · Dec 13, 2011

AnandaHya, though this post is not about xmas, I'll make this short. xmas has NEVER, nor will it EVER, have anything to do with Yeshua, His birth or the temple, or our body as a temple. To claim xmas connected to Yeshua is blasphemous. It is and always has been a pagan holiday. If you want to really honor Yeshua's birth, then keep Sukkot(feast of Tabernacles)

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 13, 2011

we don't keep the feast of tabernacles or the other feasts because they have been fulfilled by jesus...

colossians 2:16-17..."Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

the feasts were shadows...and now that we have the reality...the shadows are unnecessary...

Abiding · Dec 13, 2011

Avinu · Dec 13, 2011

Rachel, if you think that we are not to keep the feasts(which your wrong) then why is the world going to have to keep the feasts when Yeshua comes back for His Millenial Reign? Oh, and show me where in the Bible that Yeshua fulfilled the feasts and said we don't have to keep them anymore. In fact He told us to keep Passover in remembrance of Him. That is one of the feasts.

As for Colossians, you need to pay attention on what you're reading. It says don't let anyone judge for keeping these things. And what translation did you copy this from?

I await your answers. Shalom

Ronin · Dec 13, 2011

Grandpa they didnt put extra books in the bible that was the bible as it was before the 16th Centry and there are some amazing things and prophecies about Jesus in them. When the Deciples asked Jesus was not Eliajah to return before the comming of the Messaiah the prophesy was in the the books that were left out. That several other things that didnt relate to the Protestant ideals were left out. It is true.

Grandpa · Dec 13, 2011

Ronin said:

Well I disagree with that. A lot of the extra books that I read in the Catholic bible were repeats of what was already printed. There were a few original things but they mostly weren't backed up by any other verses in any other books. Also were they apart of the bible before the Jews came back from Babylon or after? Were they written originally in Hebrew or in Greek?

Grandpa · Dec 13, 2011

Avinu said:

Rachel is correct. The KJV doesn't say anything about keeping these things. It just says don't let anyone judge you because of them.

The feasts were shadows of what Jesus was coming to fulfill. Jesus is the Passover. He is the Lamb of God that was Sacrificed so that the angel of death will pass over us.

Colossians 2:14-16

14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Avinu · Dec 13, 2011

The KJV doesn't say anything about keeping these things? Where in the world do you learn your stuff? And since when is the KJV the all authority of the Word? It's a proven fact that the KJV has scripture added that is not in the deadsea scrolls. But just for the sake of arguement, the KJV does have scripture that says we are to keep these things.
Duh, Grandpa, don't let anyone judge you for keeping these things. Show one verse that says Yeshua fufilled these things, and show me where it says we don't have to do them anymore. You all keep making claims but no proof. Shalom

AnandaHya · Dec 13, 2011

Avinu said:

tell me why you are so intent of making people more Jewish instead of seeing the merit in CHRISTIAN traditions that honor JESUS and His birth? the seven Jewish Feast have become pagan and abominations to GOD.

Give me ONE Bible verse where JESUS Partook in the festivals and observed the rituals?

Did He sacrifice a lamb in Passover?

Did He live in a tent in Sukkot?

Did He teach His followers to do the same?

Why were the Pharisees upset that Jesus allowed His disciples to pick grain and eat on the Sabbath and that He healed on the Sabbath?

You are upset because people would Worship JESUS and His TRUE temple and teachings and not Jewish fables and traditions, because you are more attached to your Jewish traditions then you are at spreading the GOSPEL message of Jesus death and resurrection and salvation through remission of sins upon the cross.

John 4:21-25
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

Jesus preached what an Acceptable Year to the Lord is and He did not see it vital for His disciples to include in their gospel accounts the Jewish traditions of keeping various feasts that FORESHADOWED what HE did in His life. Like the Sermon on the Mount that revealed the TRUE spirit of the ten commandments of Moses. Jesus life taught us the TRUTH concerning the Feastivals but like many things they are not carnal and of this world. they are not to be like whitewashed tombs for outward appearances but inward transformation.

Sukkot is the feast of tabernacles this world is the wilderness and we wander lead by the Holy Spirit into the Promise land of Heaven and the Heavenly Jerusalem which is NOT of this world for we are NOT of this world. That is the UPWARD call of God and we walk forward.

people do not celebrate Chanukkah because the second temple has been destroyed and will NOT be rebuilt.

Jesus reigns in Heaven NOW. He will not return to Earth PHYSICALLY until the NEW Heaven and NEW Earth and NEW Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. All else is lies from Satan seeking to place the Son of Perdition into the throne of God. Even in the time of Jesus people rejected Him because they seek Earthly dominion and wished to rule and subjugate people instead of actually listening to God's commandments about being servants.

No they reassure themselves that GOD promises them the lies they have deceived themselves into believing is OWED to them instead of truly being humble and repent and thankful for the mercy and Grace GOD has already given them.

Go on teach your Jewish feasts and propaganda, as for me and my house we will serve the LORD.

COMMUNION has replaced Passover and TRUE worship of GOD in SPIRIT and TRUTH have replaced the seven Jewish Feasts.

Why do you still look at the Shadows and not the Light?

AnandaHya · Dec 13, 2011

Here are the scriptures reading the whole chapter would be nice but since others have given you most of it here is the rest: Perhaps God will open your eyes and you will see that we do not seek the appearance of wisdom in self imposed religion, false humility and neglect of the body but seek to overcome evil with Good and faithful humble service as JESUS taught. Many soup kitchens and nursing homes are visited during the Christmas season. People sing songs of praise to Jesus and proclaim HIS birth and HIS life and HIS salvation.

THAT is NOT Pagan. It is offensive that you continue to proclaim it as such. Chanukkah on the other hand honors WHO?

men who dedicated the second temple whose descendent murder their Messiah. Who didn't even build the temple to the requirements that King David gave Solomon. Yeah lets celebrate that.

Colossians 2
20 Therefore,[e] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Avinu · Dec 13, 2011

AnandaHya, you talk as though you have an arguement. It is clear you don't pay attention to anything I've wrote. So I will try one more time. YHVH SAYS TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS, NOT TO HAVE ANY INVOVLEMENT OF THE PAGAN PRACTICES OF THE GENTILE NATIONS, PERIOD.

Now please tell me what part of this do you not understand? So since you and other people say it's ok, then that makes YHVH's word null and void, because that is exactly what you're saying. YHVH says you CANNOT mix the Holy and the profane.

Just because people have made it a time to sing songs to God, does that make it ok in God's eyes? You can proclaim it about Yeshua all you want, because you know the truth, YHVH will not honor it. And xmas has nothing to do with His birth, His life or His salvation, and YOU need to open your EYES to this. My eyes are wide open and I am obeying Him iN this.

What is funny is your arguement is not against me, you're arguing against YHVH's own Word. And as for Chanukkah, 1) I never said it is to be celebrated, 2) Chanukkah, NOT pagan xmas, is actually in scripture. John 10:22.

Do you make a habit of just posting nonsense? This little attempt at attacking something is not only incorrect but just silly. I recommend you do some actual research for yourself and stop listening to men. Including me, go study to show yourself approved as the Bible commands us to do.

AnandaHya · Dec 13, 2011

sarcasm. just rewording your statement:

and adding basic history that shows that the Second temple didn't even come close to the description given in Chronicles that David commanded Solomon to build under divine direction.

you need to take your own advice and stop promoting traditions of men and claiming they are commandments of God.

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I've read your post and disagree with you.

want to show Bible verses that show that JESUS taught people to KEEP the seven feasts as the Jewish people did BEFORE His coming?

Are you going to use the SAME scriptures that talk about clean and unclean animals and such? The ones Paul wrote against making Gentiles follow?

as someone has already pointed out there are secular and Biblical elements to the celebration of Christmas and as another has pointed out that the birth of Jesus should be celebrated EVERY day not just Christmas. I do not find the holiday of Christmas any more or less pagan then the celebration of Hannukah which has also become commercialized and secular.

so if you are going to attack Christmas you should turn the same scrutiny upon your beloved Jewish holidays which Jesus has changed and FULFILLED upon His life and death and resurrection.

Take Passover for example. It is very easy to see how Jesus changed that festival and the traditions associated with it.

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 13, 2011

Avinu said:

where does the bible say the world will keep the feasts when jesus comes again?

and actually jesus said to do communion in remembrance of him...he never commanded anyone to keep the passover...

he was the passover lamb...the fulfillment of the passover feast...so we don't need to observe the passover any more...

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 13, 2011

Grandpa said:

the apocrypha weren't included in any bible until the septuagint...

some of them were written in hebrew...some in aramaic...some in greek...and possibly even in latin for the latest additions...

RachelBibleStudent · Dec 13, 2011

Avinu said:

the dead sea scrolls are not a good standard for scripture...

in addition to the biblical texts the dead sea scrolls also contain a lot of extrabiblical writings such as the 'war scroll'

and if you look at the actual beliefs of the qumran community...they were kind of like the branch davidians of first century judaism...

Avinu · Dec 13, 2011

[QUOTEtell me why you are so intent of making people more Jewish instead of seeing the merit in CHRISTIAN traditions that honor JESUS and His birth? the seven Jewish Feast have become pagan and abominations to GOD.

Give me ONE Bible verse where JESUS Partook in the festivals and observed the rituals?

Did He sacrifice a lamb in Passover?

Did He live in a tent in Sukkot?

Did He teach His followers to do the same?

Why were the Pharisees upset that Jesus allowed His disciples to pick grain and eat on the Sabbath and that He healed on the Sabbath?

You are upset because people would Worship JESUS and His TRUE temple and teachings and not Jewish fables and traditions, because you are more attached to your Jewish traditions then you are at spreading the GOSPEL message of Jesus death and resurrection and salvation through remission of sins upon the cross.
][/QUOTE]

AnandaHya, I have to wonder why you're so intent on throwing YHVH's word out the door so much. If you're going to challenge someone, you might want to make sure they can't prove you wrong.
You said show you one verse that Yeshua kept the feasts. John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, JUST AS I HAVE KEPT MY FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE."

Yeshua kept YHVH's commandments, it doesn't say some, it says His commandments. Yeshua who was a jew, kept Torah, because He is Torah. Do you read the Bible at all?

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