A dying mans warning of hell
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Read the Bible about Lazarus, and his sisters Mary & Martha he did not sound like a beggar.
The Bible calls death a sleep
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
1 Kings 2:10
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
Also can you explain this verse
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The Bible calls death a sleep
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
1 Kings 2:10
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
Also can you explain this verse
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:4-10
King James Version (KJV)
4For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. (that doesn't sound like Jesus)
5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(after we die there is no more reward?)
6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. (done forever huh?
7Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. (what? thats way off)
8Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. (don't lack oinment? what? Jesus would say nothing of the kind)
9Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. (okay, enough said)
"It's my personal opinion that Ecclesiastes is written in a wise but extremely "worldly" view and one can in no way take context of the spirit out of the words in this book.
I think it is very likely a book that God inspired to show a worldly person just how futile their own toiling was.. but as far as scripture to assess the heavens and spiritual realm.. no .. I don't buy that.
King James Version (KJV)
4For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. (that doesn't sound like Jesus)
5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(after we die there is no more reward?)
6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. (done forever huh?
7Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. (what? thats way off)
8Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. (don't lack oinment? what? Jesus would say nothing of the kind)
9Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. (okay, enough said)
"It's my personal opinion that Ecclesiastes is written in a wise but extremely "worldly" view and one can in no way take context of the spirit out of the words in this book.
I think it is very likely a book that God inspired to show a worldly person just how futile their own toiling was.. but as far as scripture to assess the heavens and spiritual realm.. no .. I don't buy that.
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King David was a man after God's heart:
1Ki 9:4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:
1Ki 14:8 And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and [yet] thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do [that] only [which was] right in mine eyes;
Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
so it would be safe to assume that if David died which he did then he would be in heaven if indeed we are wrong about what happens when we die.
Now listen to What Peter says \under the guidance of the spirit on pentecost.
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Now notice that Peter is reasoning with them that David prophesied about Jesus and not himself:
Act 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
See here that he says that David is both dead and buried even now. now some may argue that its just his body but clearly there is no indication that that is the case here. In fact what peter says next proves this.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
and there it is, David is not in heaven he is still dead and in the grave after Jesus had been resurrected and went to heaven.
Blessings.
1Ki 9:4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:
1Ki 14:8 And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and [yet] thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do [that] only [which was] right in mine eyes;
Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
so it would be safe to assume that if David died which he did then he would be in heaven if indeed we are wrong about what happens when we die.
Now listen to What Peter says \under the guidance of the spirit on pentecost.
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Now notice that Peter is reasoning with them that David prophesied about Jesus and not himself:
Act 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
See here that he says that David is both dead and buried even now. now some may argue that its just his body but clearly there is no indication that that is the case here. In fact what peter says next proves this.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
and there it is, David is not in heaven he is still dead and in the grave after Jesus had been resurrected and went to heaven.
Blessings.
Lazarus in the parable was a beggar was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom.The rich man could see him but could not cross the divide. There was only 2 people who were raptured to heaven Enoch and Elijah. The body of Moses was fought over when he died so maybe there is something there but the world does not say. No one else went to heaven after they died until after Jesus Resurrection. When Jesus died he went to the side where the rightouse were and when he resurrected so did they and went to heaven with him.
Matthew 27:53
They left the cemetery after Jesus' resurrection, went into the holy city of Jerusalem, and appeared to many people.
Eph 4:8-9
"When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people."9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things
That is why the Scriptures say, "When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people."
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord
2 cor 5:8
Philippians 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far
Matthew 27:53
They left the cemetery after Jesus' resurrection, went into the holy city of Jerusalem, and appeared to many people.
Eph 4:8-9
"When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people."9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things
That is why the Scriptures say, "When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people."
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord
2 cor 5:8
Philippians 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far
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this whole conversation stemmed up from the assumption that the dying man here claims to have had a vision that some of you believe could not have actually occurred.. is that correct? The only reason I hold to an arguementative point of view is to defend this mans experience and those who have had similar experiences. With that being said, is it not possible that God has chosen to show people visions of things to come? Is it not possible that in fact that mans spirit did descend to hell to witness the torment that will exist there? God has many times taken humans in the spirit and shown them things that were not of their present time.
I think you're right on here, and the thing to think about. this man who was clearly dying, chose to spend one of his last moments trying to get a message out to people that clearly rattled him and made him scared for those who are lost. Hell is a real place and for those who don't believe in it, I hope you don't ever have to find out just how real it is. shalom