WHO ARE THE ELECT?

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Forest

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There are many scriptures that talk about the elect of God. In Isa 45:4, God says that Israel is his elect. Is all of the inhabitants of Israel his elect? Exactly who is God's elect?
 
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babyboyblue

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Anyone that believes Jesus is the Christ and ....

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
 
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Forest

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Anyone that believes Jesus is the Christ and ....

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
Are they a part of the elect before they believe or after they believe?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There are many scriptures that talk about the elect of God. In Isa 45:4, God says that Israel is his elect. Is all of the inhabitants of Israel his elect? Exactly who is God's elect?
Isreal is Gods elect nation.

God's true children are those god, in his foreknowledge, chose before the foundation of the world to Give jesus if he came and did what he did. Based on what Scripture states, those ho have faith in Christ, and recieve that grace gift.

It determines on what Context is being spoken of as to what elect people is being spoken of. Paul still calls Israel Gods elect, even though at that time even they were scattered because of their sin according to lev 26.


You can be part of God elect nation, and not be part of his elect (saved) children

You do not have to be a part of the nation to be elect (saved) child of God
 
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CanadaNZ

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Are they a part of the elect before they believe or after they believe?
Again trying to separate where there is no separation. God is all-knowing, which means God knew before there was time who would choose him and who would not. Thus the 'elect' were known before time and chosen by God to do good works.
 
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Forest

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Isreal is Gods elect nation.

God's true children are those god, in his foreknowledge, chose before the foundation of the world to Give jesus if he came and did what he did. Based on what Scripture states, those ho have faith in Christ, and recieve that grace gift.

It determines on what Context is being spoken of as to what elect people is being spoken of. Paul still calls Israel Gods elect, even though at that time even they were scattered because of their sin according to lev 26.

You can be part of God elect nation, and not be part of his elect (saved) children

You do not have to be a part of the nation to be elect (saved) child of God
Gen 35:10, And God said unto him, thy name is Jacob; thy name shall not any more be called Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name, and he called his name Israel. Rom 9:13, Jacob have I loved and Easau have I hated, that the purpose of God according to election might stand. Rom 9:23, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepaired unto glory.(his elect)
 
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Forest

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Again trying to separate where there is no separation. God is all-knowing, which means God knew before there was time who would choose him and who would not. Thus the 'elect' were known before time and chosen by God to do good works.
Ps 14:2-3, The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there were any that understand and seek God. They are all gone aside, they have all together become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is what God choose from. And all of them would have stayed that way if God had not quickened his elect. None would have chosen God.Isa 64:6, But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand the depravity of man.
 
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CanadaNZ

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Ps 14:2-3, The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there were any that understand and seek God. They are all gone aside, they have all together become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is what God choose from. And all of them would have stayed that way if God had not quickened his elect. None would have chosen God.Isa 64:6, But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand the depravity of man.
Not sure how that changes my statement, God knew who would choose to accept the gift of salvation and those are the elect. You are using tiny tidbits of scripture to create controversy where there is none!!
 
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Forest

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Not sure how that changes my statement, God knew who would choose to accept the gift of salvation and those are the elect. You are using tiny tidbits of scripture to create controversy where there is none!!
God should get all of the honour and credit for mans eternal salvation and not be pridful in thinking that he had something to do with it. We are eternally saved by the grace of God and not by the works of man.
 
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CanadaNZ

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God should get all of the honour and credit for mans eternal salvation and not be pridful in thinking that he had something to do with it. We are eternally saved by the grace of God and not by the works of man.
Well of course, I wasn't denying that. You should though use Ephesians 2:1-10, stop asking troubling questions and use scripture.
 
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Israel

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Forest, I wish you really take to heart and actually believe in what you say. How can you even BEGIN to harmonize the VERY SAME VERSES you use on this very thread and not come to the conclusion that all men are saved?
 
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The elect were chosen in God before the foundation of the world.

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, (Ephesians 1:4)

Who are the elect? They are Christ's sheep, those who will never fall away.
 
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Forest, I wish you really take to heart and actually believe in what you say. How can you even BEGIN to harmonize the VERY SAME VERSES you use on this very thread and not come to the conclusion that all men are saved?
Few are saved; many are condemned (Matthew 7:13-14; John 3:16-18).
 
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Israel

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Few are saved; many are condemned (Matthew 7:13-14; John 3:16-18).


But your SURE you're one of the few who makes the cut though, right? This is what your heart speaks. Who doesn't make the cut to you?


The gate is narrow and there are few who find it indeed, but He did not come for the few who finds life. I tell you Jesus came for many. He died that they might have LIFE! And have it more ABUNDANTLY. But you say that those who are saved are abundantly few.


For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son. And He DIED for that world while we ALL WERE YET SINNERS. Not to CONDEMN the world (this does not apply to you because you walk the narrow gate), but that through HIM they might be saved.... As our Lord was about to die, some of His last words were "FATHER FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO" .

I'm not trying to insult you, but far from it. I want you to picture these things. It's like you would be mad if God gave eternal life to one you might at heart think won't make the cut. You have then become a judge and in that VERY SAME CHAPTER Jesus starts it off with judge NOT, lest ye be judged.
 
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peterT

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Forest, I wish you really take to heart and actually believe in what you say. How can you even BEGIN to harmonize the VERY SAME VERSES you use on this very thread and not come to the conclusion that all men are saved?
Not all men are saved

Rv13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Psalm 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
 
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Israel

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Not all men are saved

Rv13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Psalm 69:27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Is your real name Peter? When you die and have passed over into life, do you think you will be known as Peter? That name as well as mine is not written in the book of life.
 
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Joshua175

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But your SURE you're one of the few who makes the cut though, right? This is what your heart speaks. Who doesn't make the cut to you?


The gate is narrow and there are few who find it indeed, but He did not come for the few who finds life. I tell you Jesus came for many. He died that they might have LIFE! And have it more ABUNDANTLY. But you say that those who are saved are abundantly few.


For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son. And He DIED for that world while we ALL WERE YET SINNERS. Not to CONDEMN the world (this does not apply to you because you walk the narrow gate), but that through HIM they might be saved.... As our Lord was about to die, some of His last words were "FATHER FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO" .

I'm not trying to insult you, but far from it. I want you to picture these things. It's like you would be mad if God gave eternal life to one you might at heart think won't make the cut. You have then become a judge and in that VERY SAME CHAPTER Jesus starts it off with judge NOT, lest ye be judged.

Revelation 20:11-15 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


You're twisting the word my friend. He didn't say that many enter into life, Jesus said few enter into life. Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

You are correct that Jesus died for many but not everyone accepts the gift of God. This is Jesus's word, not man's.

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
 

gotime

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Is your real name Peter? When you die and have passed over into life, do you think you will be known as Peter? That name as well as mine is not written in the book of life.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

The scripture holds true that Peter gave. it is not subject to human alteration or loopholes.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Notice that there is a condition for eternal life. "whosoever believeth"

Jesus is also clear that those who do not believe are condemned.

What do the people who believe do and what do the people who do not believe do?

Answer:


Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Those who do not believe go away from the light and are condemned and those that believe come to the light and receive eternal life.


Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

as for this scripture it also applies to all. notice Jesus words only a few verses later:


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

clearly there will be many who do not accept Jesus words and they will be lost.

These are just a couple of examples, but there are many showing that any will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

May we all humble ourselves before God and seek first His kingdom. God will save those who come to him.

blessings.
 
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Israel

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Revelation 20:11-15 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


You're twisting the word my friend. He didn't say that many enter into life, Jesus said few enter into life. Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

You are correct that Jesus died for many but not everyone accepts the gift of God. This is Jesus's word, not man's.

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
Jesus did not come for those that are well, but for the sick. He did not call the righteous but the sinners to repentance.

I know I have everlasting life within me because I understand that if I can't do anything to change the fact that I will die, nor can I do anything to gain salvation from that death. And if I can't, neither can any man. No man asked to be here regardless of the situation they're in. As such, the gift of life will be bestowed on all as well.
 
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peterT

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Forest, I wish you really take to heart and actually believe in what you say. How can you even BEGIN to harmonize the VERY SAME VERSES you use on this very thread and not come to the conclusion that all men are saved?
What’s saved about these people?


Rv13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rv14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,


Rv14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.