WHAT EXACTLY WAS ACCOMPLISHED ON THE CROSS?

[Forest]

Did Christ die for all mankind? Was his crucifiction an offering to God, or to man?

[Calmador]

Originally Posted by Forest

Did Christ die for all mankind? Was his crucifiction an offering to God, or to man?

Yes Jesus Christ died for all mankind... and his crucifiction was an offering to God, for us... so he can pay our debt (cause of sin, sin = death aka hell).

Our debt is death, and Jesus Christ, offered himself as a sacrifice, and died for us... to pay that debt.

And then resurrected, showing he has conquered death. And through him, having faith in him, we are redeemed.

All you have to do is believe that Jesus Christ is who he says he is and accept his offering of salvation... Pray ok?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Calmador

Yes Jesus Christ died for all mankind... and his crucifiction was an offering to God, for us... so he can pay our debt (cause of sin, sin = death aka hell).

Our debt is death, and Jesus Christ, offered himself as a sacrifice, and died for us... to pay that debt.

And then resurrected, showing he has conquered death. And through him, having faith in him, we are redeemed.

All you have to do is believe that Jesus Christ is who he says he is and accept his offering of salvation... Pray ok?

Why do you say that we have to accept his offering when you have already said that Christ was an offering to God and not to man? Are you saying that Christ died for the sin debt of all mankind, if so, is all mankind eternally saved?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Calmador

Yes Jesus Christ died for all mankind... and his crucifiction was an offering to God, for us... so he can pay our debt (cause of sin, sin = death aka hell).

Our debt is death, and Jesus Christ, offered himself as a sacrifice, and died for us... to pay that debt.

And then resurrected, showing he has conquered death. And through him, having faith in him, we are redeemed.

All you have to do is believe that Jesus Christ is who he says he is and accept his offering of salvation... Pray ok?

Were we redeemed when Christ paid our sin debt on the cross? What about Jesus saying in John 6:39 that he would raise all of those he died for at the last day without loosing not one? Does this mean that all mankind will live with him in heaven?

[eternally-gratefull]

Originally Posted by Forest

Why do you say that we have to accept his offering when you have already said that Christ was an offering to God and not to man? Are you saying that Christ died for the sin debt of all mankind, if so, is all mankind eternally saved?

Jesus paid the debt of SIN. and offers the gift of salvation based on that sacrifice. God accepts his offering, and will forgive, or place to a persons account the redemption paid for by Christ, as scriptyure says, "to all who believe"

those who reject this gift. will not go to hell because of sin, Christ paid the debt. no where in rev does it say they are judged for their sin, it says they are judged for their work. They are judged because they commited the unpardonable sin, which is to blaspheme the HS.

No one will go to hell; because they committed murder. Christ paid for that sin. They will go to hell because the HS tried to show them who God was, their sin debt, and what God did. and they called him a liar (blasphemed him) and tried to get right with God their own way, either by doing nothing, saying they were not bad people (outright rejecting God because God would not punish them). or through a religious works based system.

Jesus made it clear. All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven MEN (not the elect), but one.

[2knowhim]

Originally Posted by Forest

Were we redeemed when Christ paid our sin debt on the cross? What about Jesus saying in John 6:39 that he would raise all of those he died for at the last day without loosing not one? Does this mean that all mankind will live with him in heaven?

Yep, that's exactly what it means, All mankind will be Redeemed.
When He became sin, who knew no sin, He took that into Himself,
And into His Death, so He actually took our Death into His Death.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

I think this scripture includes all, least that's what it says to me.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Joh 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw allmenunto me.


1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Forest, Jesus died for all sins but one. Every man and woman on this earth, and those who have born, and those who will be born, have been forgiven of all of their sins but that one sin, saved or unsaved. People only go to hell for one sin, and that sin is rejecting Jesus. <- Sorry for that rehash

So to answer your question in one aspect, Jesus died for all of our sins but one, and that one would be rejecting Him.

[loveme1]

You can only have something you believe in, and that is all of Jesus, Virgin birth, Crucifixion, Resurrection.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by 2knowhim

Yep, that's exactly what it means, All mankind will be Redeemed.
When He became sin, who knew no sin, He took that into Himself,
And into His Death, so He actually took our Death into His Death.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

I think this scripture includes all, least that's what it says to me.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Joh 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw allmenunto me.


1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Then how do you explain Matt 25:46?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Kyouken

Forest, Jesus died for all sins but one. Every man and woman on this earth, and those who have born, and those who will be born, have been forgiven of all of their sins but that one sin, saved or unsaved. People only go to hell for one sin, and that sin is rejecting Jesus. <- Sorry for that rehash

So to answer your question in one aspect, Jesus died for all of our sins but one, and that one would be rejecting Him.

Can you give me a scripture for your belief of that statement?

[Calmador]

THIS MAN CLEARLY HAS AN AGENDA. Don't argue with him... the truth isn't meant to be argued about, he obviously knows the scriptures but doesn't understand them, he has an agenda to stumble us. If you read how he responded to one of my posts... he can't even listen or understand my own words... how can he understand God who is higher.


I said. "Yes Jesus Christ died for all mankind... and his crucifiction was an offering to God, for us... so he can pay our debt (cause of sin, sin = death aka hell)."

Clearly saying that Jesus died as an offering to God for us. I think he doesn't understand Jesus is God.

Originally Posted by Forest

Why do you say that we have to accept his offering when you have already said that Christ was an offering to God and not to man? Are you saying that Christ died for the sin debt of all mankind, if so, is all mankind eternally saved?

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Originally Posted by Forest

Did Christ die for all mankind? Was his crucifiction an offering to God, or to man?

Expiation of our sins, and the sins of the whole world 1 John 2:2; He rose from the dead for our justification. So both His Crucifixion and His Resurrection are necessary for our salvation in Him. Unless Christ be Risen, our faith is in vain.
Whether or not His crucifixion is an offering to God or man is beside the point: it's all about His love (John 3:16).

[tribesman]

Originally Posted by Calmador

THIS MAN CLEARLY HAS AN AGENDA. Don't argue with him... the truth isn't meant to be argued about, he obviously knows the scriptures but doesn't understand them, he has an agenda to stumble us. If you read how he responded to one of my posts... he can't even listen or understand my own words... how can he understand God who is higher.

He's flooding the rooms with the same old spam under the disguise of "discussing" it. Whatever the issue may be it's probably not too far a guess that such a traffic is not what these forums are aimed for.

[Chris362]

Perhaps you are looking at this from the wrong perspective?

Christ died so that his blood could dedicate the new covenant. He rose to be the last and only High Priest that can offer this blood for the remission of sins.

When asked to believe in Him, you are asked to believe that He did this.

It was an offering to God for man.

It's mostly explained in the 9th chapter of Hebrews.

[lil_christian]

Originally Posted by Forest

Did Christ die for all mankind? Was his crucifiction an offering to God, or to man?

In reply to the title, "WHAT EXACTLY WAS ACCOMPLISHED ON THE CROSS?" in short? Everything. He DID die for all mankind. Remember in John 1? "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" His offering? It was to God. His offering salvation? To man.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by 2knowhim

Yep, that's exactly what it means, All mankind will be Redeemed.
When He became sin, who knew no sin, He took that into Himself,
And into His Death, so He actually took our Death into His Death.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

I think this scripture includes all, least that's what it says to me.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Joh 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw allmenunto me.


1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

All men are redeemed but do they all recieve this gift?
All men are drawn to the Lord but do all men go unto Him?

When Jesus' captors were on the mount of olives to bring Him into custody they asked Jesus if He was Jesus and He said "I Am". All of His captors bowed to one knee at that statement. But they still brought Him into custody. They still put the Lord to death. They didn't have any knowledge of Jesus or His saving Grace, and yet they still bowed.

I'm not sure if a person (whether dead or alive) can come into the presence of God without Knowing the forgiveness of the Lord Jesus. Imagine the terror and fear a person would feel if they didn't Know Jesus. Wouldn't that cause them to run far away and stay away? I'm not saying I know for sure. I'm just wondering...

I know God can do what He wills. If there is a reason for it, maybe we will understand when we get there.

Originally Posted by Forest

Can you give me a scripture for your belief of that statement?

Jesus didn't die so people would reject Him, you know? Check out Matthew 12:31-32.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

Jesus paid the debt of SIN. and offers the gift of salvation based on that sacrifice. God accepts his offering, and will forgive, or place to a persons account the redemption paid for by Christ, as scriptyure says, "to all who believe"

those who reject this gift. will not go to hell because of sin, Christ paid the debt. no where in rev does it say they are judged for their sin, it says they are judged for their work. They are judged because they commited the unpardonable sin, which is to blaspheme the HS.

No one will go to hell; because they committed murder. Christ paid for that sin. They will go to hell because the HS tried to show them who God was, their sin debt, and what God did. and they called him a liar (blasphemed him) and tried to get right with God their own way, either by doing nothing, saying they were not bad people (outright rejecting God because God would not punish them). or through a religious works based system.

Jesus made it clear. All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven MEN (not the elect), but one.

John 6:37-41, says that Christ died for only those that His Father gave him (his elect) and that he would lose none of them but raise them up at the last day without the lose of one. Our belief has nothing to do with us being eternally saved. Even our believing is a work of God.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by 2knowhim

Yep, that's exactly what it means, All mankind will be Redeemed.
When He became sin, who knew no sin, He took that into Himself,
And into His Death, so He actually took our Death into His Death.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

I think this scripture includes all, least that's what it says to me.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Joh 12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw allmenunto me.


1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

If you believe that all mankind wil be eternally saved then how do you explain Matt 25:46?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Calmador

THIS MAN CLEARLY HAS AN AGENDA. Don't argue with him... the truth isn't meant to be argued about, he obviously knows the scriptures but doesn't understand them, he has an agenda to stumble us. If you read how he responded to one of my posts... he can't even listen or understand my own words... how can he understand God who is higher.


I said. "Yes Jesus Christ died for all mankind... and his crucifiction was an offering to God, for us... so he can pay our debt (cause of sin, sin = death aka hell)."

Clearly saying that Jesus died as an offering to God for us. I think he doesn't understand Jesus is God.

Thanks for printing your words "big" I diden't even have to put my glasses on to read them. I am standing on John 6:37-41 as being the truth and it says that Christ only died for those that His Father gave him and that he would raise all of them up at the last day without the loss of one. You are saying that he died for all mankind, so do you think that all mankind will be saved eternally? I am saying that if he wanted to save eternally all mankind that he would do just that. Dan 4:35, Isa 50:2. Matt 25:46 affirms that all mankind will not be eternally saved.