Can You Split Your Tithe?

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seoulsearch

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Hi everyone,

Is it required to give your tithe to a church? I was raised with tithing so I'm not debating whether one should do it or not, but rather, where should it be given.

For example, I went through a very rough time in my faith where I didn't go to church (I was fighting intense depression and only left the house for work out of necessity), so on Sundays I would read the Bible, study a Christian book, and pray during the time I would have been at church. During this time frame, I gave my tithe to my former adoption agency (because they are Christ-centered and focused).

I am currently attending a new church, but am wondering if it's Biblically sound to split my tithe between, say, my old church, this new church, and now Christian Chat? (Because I believe in doing my part.)

What do you think?
 
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iraasuup

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Very interesting question. I personally battled with the whole concept of Ministers getting up and telling congregations you MUST tithe to the church, until I did research for myself and realised that NOWHERE in the bible does Jesus actually command this.

My husband and I felt God calling us to give in other areas, and were looked down upon by friends when they found out we weren't also tithing to the church, and for a while this made me feel somewhat convicted... so I sought out the truth for myself.

At the end of the day, I don't really think it is essential to give to the church. If you want to, by all means go right ahead.. but it is not a commandment that Jesus gave to us. So in answer to your question yes, feel free to split your tithe wherever and however you see fit. I think the important issue is that you are listening to God. Seek Him for answers. If you feel He is leading you to give in a certain area, then give there.

Alot of people will tell you that you need to give FIRST to the church as a tithe, then any other giving is over and above as an offering and cannot be deemed a tithe. I do not believe this to be correct. If you look for yourself, you will see there is NO evidence of Jesus ever telling us we MUST give to the church. Personally. I listen to Jesus' words, not the words of others around me (regardless of how well-meaning their intentions may be.)

Hope that helps :)
 
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doubleedge

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It would seem that MOST people post things without first "meditating" on The Word of God! The reason for tithes is so God can have the first fruits. He MORE THAN deserves it if U ask me. A tithe is the BEST 10% of 100% of any labor and/ or fruit! Even Ur first words of every day & night should go to God! ALWAYS giving thanks in Ur going & coming, rising up & laying down, eating, fasting, praying, playing, working... U get the idea! Work is a big one because its very similar to will. Where there is no work being done, there is no will, but The Will of "our" Lord can be found ALL OVER the bible! In a nut shell... To God be ALL glory!!! Giving thanks to Jesus for His sacrifice, the best/ better part of EVERYTHING belongs to God!
 
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espresso

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Very interesting question. I personally battled with the whole concept of Ministers getting up and telling congregations you MUST tithe to the church, until I did research for myself and realised that NOWHERE in the bible does Jesus actually command this.

My husband and I felt God calling us to give in other areas, and were looked down upon by friends when they found out we weren't also tithing to the church, and for a while this made me feel somewhat convicted... so I sought out the truth for myself.

At the end of the day, I don't really think it is essential to give to the church. If you want to, by all means go right ahead.. but it is not a commandment that Jesus gave to us. So in answer to your question yes, feel free to split your tithe wherever and however you see fit. I think the important issue is that you are listening to God. Seek Him for answers. If you feel He is leading you to give in a certain area, then give there.

Alot of people will tell you that you need to give FIRST to the church as a tithe, then any other giving is over and above as an offering and cannot be deemed a tithe. I do not believe this to be correct. If you look for yourself, you will see there is NO evidence of Jesus ever telling us we MUST give to the church. Personally. I listen to Jesus' words, not the words of others around me (regardless of how well-meaning their intentions may be.)

Hope that helps :)

ActuallyJesus did tell us to tithe very clearly. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus says:

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[a] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things"

There is no gray area here.These are the words of Jesus. While many try to find ways not to tithe you cannot deny what Jesus himself says in this scripture. While he is saying that there are more important issues, he clearly tells us to tithe. Tithing is not a salvation issue. It is an obedience and blessing issue. It is also an act of worship. It furthers the work of the church and shows God that He means more to us than the things we could have bought with that money. It is all from Him and for Him. Tithing just shows that we mean it.

In Malachi 3:10 God says, "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it."

God says "test me in this". Its the only place in the bible that the Lord challenges us to test Him. This must be important to him. Not to mention all the other scripture regarding tithing throughout the bible.

Talk to anyone who faithfully tithes and ask them if they have not been abundantly blessed as a result. By not tithing you are potentially missing out on Gods blessings and why would anyone want to do that?
 
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For me...
worship is the best/ greater part of tithing!!!
- "ALWAYS giving thanks in MY going & coming, rising up & laying down, eating, fasting, praying, playing, working... U get the idea! Work is a big one because its very similar to will. Where there is no work being done, there is no will, but The Will of "our" Lord can be found ALL OVER the bible! In a nut shell... To God be ALL glory!!! Giving thanks to Jesus for His sacrifice, the best/ better part of EVERYTHING belongs to God!"
 
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doubleedge

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One deed of God's leads to many more... if we are "full" of the spirit.
 
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MaggieMye

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In Deuteronomy, the tithes went to the Levite Preists beause they did not have a portion of land upon which to grow their own food.
It was the preists that made the sacrifices for the people to atone for their sin. It was sustanence for the Preists who were in charge of the Temple.
It is no different today. We tithe on our income to sustain the ministers who are overseeing our churches/temples.
Maggie
 
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doubleedge

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Everbody makes a good point, but tithes still boils down to the act of charity (1 Corinthians 13)! My Bible concordance says that the amount of charity that constitutes a tithe is: tenth part; give one-tenth.
 
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iraasuup

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Espresso: in response to you:

I'm well aware that Jesus did command us to tithe. If you go back and read what I wrote you'll actually see that I said NOWHERE did Jesus command us to give to THE CHURCH!

I do give.. and joyfully might I add. But nothing annoys me more than when people get up at the pulpit and forecfully ram down people's throat the concept that we MUST FIRST GIVE TO THE CHURCH. This is simply NOT TRUE!!

The question was: Can you split your tithes, and the answer quite simply is YES! Give wherever you feel God is leading you to give. Sponser a child, Support a charity, Give to Christian chat... if that is where you feel God is leading you to give.

If you can show me a scripture where JESUS himself is commanding us all to GIVE TO THE CHURCH FIRST... then I will happily stand corrected.

I'm done :)
 
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1still_waters

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Maybe we should break things down in a few forms of giving.

1. User Fees \ Dues
2. Tithes
3. Offerings

I'll cover user fees \ dues first. Let's face it. Many, if not most of us go to a church with a building, usually a rather nice building. These churches usually provide us with various services and ministries and many of us take advantage of the good they do.

I think if anyone attends a church with the nice building and ministry and services and they take advantage of the good they do, then they should at least pay their fair share to help the ministry keep afloat. It's only fair. I wouldn't categorize this giving as 'tithing'. I'd categorize it as reasonable user fees and dues, since many churches kind of act like a club or organization anyways.

Tithing!

Expresso quoted Matthew 23:23 and they said the verse said...

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[a] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things"

But I looked at the verse in three translations and here is what I got.

KJV

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

KJV
23"(Y)Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

NIV
23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

I don't know what version Expresso is using, but Jesus doesn't seem to directly command tithing in my three versions like in his verse. If you're going to say Jesus is commanding anything in these verses, then you better go to your local herb store and get some mint, dill and cumin and put it in the offering basket. Might look good in your pastors wife spice rack. :)

My two cents. Jesus came to bring the full meaning of the old testament laws. He tells adulterers to not only be faithful to their wives, but to also think pure thoughts. He tells the angry folks to not only refrain from killing, but to NOT think evil in your heart. The same pattern follows for giving. It's not just about giving a 10 percent. It's about something deeper and Paul hit right on it.

2 Corinthians 9

6Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

New testament believers look deeper than the surface areas of not committing adultery, not murdering and giving the tithe. New testament believers strive to have a pure heart, have a loving heart and have a giving heart.

Do you have a giving heart? If yes, then you're on the right track.

And really if you have a giving heart, you'll do MORE than tithe, You'll 'sacrifice'.

So where should you give? If you're making use of a nice church building and growing because of its services, it just makes common sense to give your fair share.

7Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk? 8Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? 9For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain."[b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more?

The people in a church who serve and provide you with things, deserve to get some kinda compensation. It's only fair.






 
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iraasuup

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Thankyou Stilly. Very good response. I agree with giving in response to the whole nice fancy building thing. Alot of churches have a building fund actually. I suppose I should clarify. My issue was, for the longest time we were tithing to the church, and not seeing any benefit from the money that was being given there. Building or otherwise. We felt like this was such a waste of our giving when there were SOOOO many other areas we could give to and see results. Areas, where we knew God had placed a calling our heart to give for sometime, but we had been ignoring it because we'd been doing the dilligent Christian 'Give to the Church' thing. There came a point for me where I realised that was ridiculous... I needed to listen to God and not man. So that's what I'm doing.. and I've never been happier.
 

sweetnshy

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Thankyou Stilly. Very good response. I agree with giving in response to the whole nice fancy building thing. Alot of churches have a building fund actually. I suppose I should clarify. My issue was, for the longest time we were tithing to the church, and not seeing any benefit from the money that was being given there. Building or otherwise. We felt like this was such a waste of our giving when there were SOOOO many other areas we could give to and see results. Areas, where we knew God had placed a calling our heart to give for sometime, but we had been ignoring it because we'd been doing the dilligent Christian 'Give to the Church' thing. There came a point for me where I realised that was ridiculous... I needed to listen to God and not man. So that's what I'm doing.. and I've never been happier.
I do think it depends on what churches do with the tithes that come in. My church uses tithes to pay the pastors and for the building fund, but a lot of it is given to missionaries, soup kitchens, salvation army, etc. Sometimes we've had members in our church who say they feel they should be giving their money to other causes like missions rather than to the church, when the truth is that if they tithe, a portion of their tithe will be going to missions. For someone in your situation, I would say first make sure you're aware of where the church tithes are going, because sometimes it's easy to say that you aren't seeing any results when really you might be unaware of the causes that the money goes to. Having said that, I don't think it's wrong at all to give to other godly causes if you're aware that the tithes aren't being used well in your church. Although in that situation I think I might consider switching churches!
 
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doubleedge

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NOT FOR ITCHING EARS (2 Timothy 4)!!!
If U need to see scriptures... Hebrews 7 & Numbers 18:21 "should" do it!
U can NOT split Ur tithe for several reasons:
The whore of babylon (Revelation 17-18) is the church of the false prophets, signs & wonders. It takes charity to pay tithes of ALL U possess (Luke 18:21) & render unto caesar (Matthew 22:21). The Church is The Body (1 Corinthians 6:20) of Christ (Matthew 22:1-14) because woman is also a Body of Christ (Solomon 3:11 - Matthew 21:5)! "Meditating" on The Word of God is like walking on the straight & narrow path (Matthew 7:14). The devil gives good gifts to those who follow him (Luke 11:13), so U should give good gifts even to Ur enemy to be set apart from the devil (Matthew 5:44)! If U split Ur tithe, U are serving different doctrines & U can not serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). "The Internet" is NO place to pay tithes... I will open a thread on this!!!
 

seoulsearch

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Interesting replies.


Not much as far as an answer to my question (and thanks to the ones who have been answering), but interesting replies. For me, tithing is a done deal. That's just what works for me.

Ok, then what about splitting it between my old and new church?

And if no one believes in giving anything at all to Christian Chat out of their tithes, are you just giving on your own outside of the tithe?

Because if we don't, how else will Christian Chat survive?
 
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iraasuup

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NOT FOR ITCHING EARS (2 Timothy 4)!!!
If U need to see scriptures... Hebrews 7 & Numbers 18:21 "should" do it!
U can NOT split Ur tithe for several reasons:
The whore of babylon (Revelation 17-18) is the church of the false prophets, signs & wonders. It takes charity to pay tithes of ALL U possess (Luke 18:21) & render unto caesar (Matthew 22:21). The Church is The Body (1 Corinthians 6:20) of Christ (Matthew 22:1-14) because woman is also a Body of Christ (Solomon 3:11 - Matthew 21:5)! "Meditating" on The Word of God is like walking on the straight & narrow path (Matthew 7:14). The devil gives good gifts to those who follow him (Luke 11:13), so U should give good gifts even to Ur enemy to be set apart from the devil (Matthew 5:44)! If U split Ur tithe, U are serving different doctrines & U can not serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). "The Internet" is NO place to pay tithes... I will open a thread on this!!!

WOW! So you think the internet is no place to pay tithes eh?

Well then what about all those people who are donating/contributing to the server bill and various other running costs of this site as they feel God leads them. Are they now all considered sinners? According to your post, it seems so. Do you have any idea at all how much is involved behind the scenes or what it costs to run and operate a site like this? Well do you? I think not!

Of course sooo many people happily come along here and register for their free fun and fellowship. But if something happens that they disagree with, or if there is the slightest mention of a membership fee or request from admin for donations they get all defensive and legalistic. Because it should just be their God -Given right to come here for free. How ludicrous!!

This site (along with various others like it) is a ministry in it's own right. It has impacted the lives of numerous people and continues to do so (while it is still around of course) but, without generous donations from people tuned into God and where He is leading them to give... it wouldn't exist in the first place!!

Now that's off my chest, let's get back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC...

You have quoted some interesting scriptures, none of which show Jesus commanding us to give FIRST and/or ONLY to the church. So AGAIN I will ask you, where can you show me this?? It seems you can't.

I'm interested in how you think Matthew 6:24 proves that I would be serving two masters by splitting my tithes. I looked it up in three translations and here's what I got:

Amplified:

24No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and despise and be [a]against the other. You cannot serve God and mammon ([b]deceitful riches, money, possessions, or [c]whatever is trusted in).
NKJV:
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

NLT:
24 “No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.


Hmm. I dunno about you; but when I read that it's pretty clear. It's simply saying I can't serve God and allow myself to be consumed with worldly possesions or riches at the same time. In fact if you go on to read the next couple of verses it talks about not worrying yourself over what you will wear, or eat, or drink...

25 “That is why I tell you not to worry about everyday life—whether you have enough food and drink, or enough clothes to wear. Isn’t life more than food, and your body more than clothing?

WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH TITHING? It is simply telling us to not worry ourselves over wordly things that don't matter, but rather to:

33 Seek the Kingdom of God[a] above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.

Hmmm! Not rocket science people! Trust in God...listen to what He is saying to you. Seek Him for guidance. Let Him lead you where He may. That's what He is there for! He has a plan and a purpose for each and every one of us, if we will only stop long enough to listen to Him.

Okay I'm done here!
 
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iraasuup

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Interesting replies.


Not much as far as an answer to my question (and thanks to the ones who have been answering), but interesting replies. For me, tithing is a done deal. That's just what works for me.

Ok, then what about splitting it between my old and new church?

And if no one believes in giving anything at all to Christian Chat out of their tithes, are you just giving on your own outside of the tithe?

Because if we don't, how else will Christian Chat survive?

Sorry Seoulsearch, once I'd posted my response I saw you had posted, so I will answer.

As far as splitting between your old and new church, all I can say is seek God on that one. Let him guide you as to where He wants you to give the tithes. I don't see a problem with it. The main point should be that we are giving, and giving joyfully. Find a need, and fill it. God loves a cheerful giver right?

As for giving to Christian Chat. Again Seek God as to whether this is to come out of your allocated tithe money or if it is something you should be giving over and above. No decisions like this should be made without first seeking God. The bible says if you ask God for wisdom He will give it to you.
Having said that, I don't think we are in a place to give you advice on where you should or shouldn't be giving your money. That is between you and God!

My husband and I give to various different ministries where we feel God calling us to give and we DO NOT give to the church. Occasionally as an offering toward the building fund for extensions we may give to the church, but as a part of our regular tithe we do not. We give in other areas. I honestly do not believe I'm going to be condemned to hell for this!

I hope that answers your question.
 
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doubleedge

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There really is nothing I can say that will allow U to see what I see!!! All the scriptures are connected & the same, in the same book, & inspired by the same God! As for my knowledge of the "back-end" system... I worked at a place called TECH DATA. I know EVERYTHING it takes to keep a website going!!! Babylon is ALL around U... & Ur NOT perfect! Mystery babylon 101: machines that generate (withouth filtering) MORE than 70 HZ (biological limit) of electrical activity, ranging between 1400 HZ (cellphone ring tone) & beyond!!! U are slowly destroying Urselves (Hosea 4:6). Electromagnetic radiation comes from, & is absorbed by everything that contains engery. Ex... The electromagnetic radiation coming from Ur computer is enough to scramble radio transmissions, which... like microwaves, can scramble Ur biological EMF (electromagnetic field)! Today... buying & selling (transfer of funds) means paying tithes to the devil!!!
 
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doubleedge

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P.S.
As far as tithing, I NEVER said church only... I said God only!!!
 
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Jordan9

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I'd say yes, of course it is. Sometimes, my friends and I will go for a few weeks without tithing, and then spend the money on food and snacks and bus tickets to the city. We stay in the city for a few days and share God's love (and some yummy treats and healthy sandwiches!) with the homeless.
 
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It would seem that MOST people post things without first "meditating" on The Word of God! The reason for tithes is so God can have the first fruits. He MORE THAN deserves it if U ask me. A tithe is the BEST 10% of 100% of any labor and/ or fruit! Even Ur first words of every day & night should go to God! ALWAYS giving thanks in Ur going & coming, rising up & laying down, eating, fasting, praying, playing, working... U get the idea! Work is a big one because its very similar to will. Where there is no work being done, there is no will, but The Will of "our" Lord can be found ALL OVER the bible! In a nut shell... To God be ALL glory!!! Giving thanks to Jesus for His sacrifice, the best/ better part of EVERYTHING belongs to God!
Jesus fulfilled the law concerning the sabbath and He fulfilled the law concerning tithing in other words He became the first friuts that would satisfy God

1co 15:18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.1co 15:19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.1co 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.1co 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.1co 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 
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