The sons of God in genesis 6

[2knowhim]

I wonder if that's something specific to the angels in heaven or if it refers to the fallen angels on this earth as well. I have to think that if God, who is spirit, can give a child to a woman (e.g. Isaac, Samson, Jesus, John the Baptist, etc.) then an angel - who seems to be both spirit and body - also could if all conditions were satisfied. Oh, not to mention that the angels - when described on this earth - often appear as men (those at the tomb, those with Abraham, etc.). So if some of the angels appeared as men on this earth, then does that mean they have the full functionality of men while on the earth?

Heb. Angels
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

Greek Angels
ang'-el-os
From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger.

So, according to this they are despatchers, messengers,......prophets, teachers, pastors
Do you not know that we shall Judge Angels?
1Co 6:3 So, what could these Giants be to us today? A tall man, is just that, a tall man.
Giants were a shadow a type of something.

 

[Laodicea]

Notice who God is angry with
Genesis 6:5-7
(5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
(6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
(7) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

No mention of angels

 

[Avinu]

Do you believe they were the descendants of Seth or angels?

I think the angel theory is most likely to be correct. Sons of God in the old testament always refers to angels. How can unions between descendants of Seth and the daughters of cain produce giants? The book of jude seems to refer to this when it mentions the angels which kept not their first estate.

But Jesus said that angels do not marry in heaven, right? But these angels were on earth, not in heaven. We wont marry in heaven either but we marry on earth. Abraham served angels milk, butter, and meat and the bible says "and they did eat". I doubt they eat that stuff in heaven but they did while on earth. They also appeared as men, so much so that the people in Sodom wanted to rape them.

It seems far fetched to think that angels procreated with humans....but talking snakes, people walking on water, staffs turning into serpents, and folks rising from the dead also seems far fetched, but I believe it

What say you?

In the hebrew text, in verse 2 of ch.6 Gen. It calls them 'divine beings' instead of sons of God, which is also correct. Job 1:6 and 2:1 also says divine beings also. Shalom

 

[A-Omega]

Good question. Where do the giant people now come from? The ones over 8ft tall? Almost 9ft tall? The record for tallest person seems to be getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Do you think this may be one of the signs we can look to "as in the time of Noah"??

9 feet? Not exactly.

11For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

That would put his bed at over 13 feet. So he was well over 9.

If sons of God were not human men how come the term is not used until after men start to call on the name of the Lord? Surely angels existed before men called on the name of the Lord?

Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

The answer is simple. No angels are mentioned before Genesis 6. And as has been shown already the term "b'nai ha elohim" in the OT only refers to angels (Job1 and 2).

1 John 3:1,2
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This passage is proving my point. We are truly "sons of God" in Christ when we are perfected. We are going to be heavenly beings just like the angels. So yes, we will be "sons of god." in fact we are replacing the evil, fallen ones.

 

[CBM82]

Notice who God is angry with
Genesis 6:5-7
(5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
(6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
(7) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

No mention of angels

God was angry with the angels too.....hence their punishment

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

It is my understanding that word "preach" is better translated proclaim, and that spirits implies angels

 

[Laodicea]

God was angry with the angels too.....hence their punishment

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

It is my understanding that word "preach" is better translated proclaim, and that spirits implies angels

This subject is about the flood and in Genesis 6 god is angry with who?

 

[CBM82]

This subject is about the flood and in Genesis 6 god is angry with who?

Yeah, but I believe Jude and 1peter describes their punishment for what they did in genesis 6 which would lead me to believe that God was angry with the angels too even though it is never explicitly stated in genesis 6.

I see problems with the Seth theory and the Angel theory. I see strengths in both theories, but the angel theory just seems to hold more weight in my mind. I've just always been very fascinated by this chapter but its probably one of those things we are just gonna have to wait until we are in heaven to know for sure.

I just dont see why some people are so quick to dismiss the angel theory as something absurd or as if there is no evidence to support it.

 

[CBM82]

.....One other thing.....did the line of Seth not have daughters? Did the line of Cain not have sons? How come it only mentions Sons of God and daughters of men? Surely some of the daughters of the pious line of Seth and some of the sons of the unrighteous line of Cain would have hooked up but it does not say that. And we know that angels in the bible are always in masculine form and the daughters of men seems to imply daughters of mankind in general.

 

[TheAristocat]

Heb. Angels
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

Greek Angels
ang'-el-os
From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger.

So, according to this they are despatchers, messengers,......prophets, teachers, pastors
Do you not know that we shall Judge Angels?
1Co 6:3 So, what could these Giants be to us today? A tall man, is just that, a tall man.
Giants were a shadow a type of something.

So you're saying that the malachim which we will be like in heaven are just people like us but who don't marry? And that once we arrive in paradise we'll be like those messenger-men are in heaven?

 

[2knowhim]

So you're saying that the malachim which we will be like in heaven are just people like us but who don't marry? And that once we arrive in paradise we'll be like those messenger-men are in heaven?

Yes, Heres another one to consider:

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Blessings

 

[2knowhim]

It's really who we are Now, in the Heavens in Christ.

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[TheAristocat]

Yes, Heres another one to consider:

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Blessings

Hm. I see him as a fellow servant of God's - not necessarily as a fellow human being. I remember a rather beautiful depiction of Israel in Revelation 12 which represents human beings. But the malachim appear singular in nature - unlike the woman - and do not appear to be symbols alone but also individuals. And these individuals have unusual traits that are not found among your average human being. In other words, if this angel is a human being or if other angels can be human beings I don't see how we can derrive that from this passage.

 

[CBM82]

For anyone interested

I think a decent book to read on this subject is "The fallen angels and the heroes of mythology". You can find it online for free

 

[Laodicea]

Yeah, but I believe Jude and 1peter describes their punishment for what they did in genesis 6 which would lead me to believe that God was angry with the angels too even though it is never explicitly stated in genesis 6.

I see problems with the Seth theory and the Angel theory. I see strengths in both theories, but the angel theory just seems to hold more weight in my mind. I've just always been very fascinated by this chapter but its probably one of those things we are just gonna have to wait until we are in heaven to know for sure.

I just dont see why some people are so quick to dismiss the angel theory as something absurd or as if there is no evidence to support it.

What matters is what the Bible says not what we think and who perished in the flood?
Genesis 7:21-23
(21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
(22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
(23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Notice that angels are not mentioned

 

[Avinu]

I just dont see why some people are so quick to dismiss the angel theory as something absurd or as if there is no evidence to support it.

CBM82, it is angels that laid with the daughters of men. They weren't from Seth or any other humans, because if it were just other men, it wouldn't emphasize about the women being daughters of man. This is why I love going back to the original text, it clarifies so much that has gotten confused in the english.

In the hebrew text, in verse 2 of ch.6 Gen. It calls them 'divine beings' instead of sons of God, which is also correct. Job 1:6 and 2:1 also says divine beings also. Shalom

 

[TheAristocat]

CBM82, it is angels that laid with the daughters of men. They weren't from Seth or any other humans, because if it were just other men, it wouldn't emphasize about the women being daughters of man. This is why I love going back to the original text, it clarifies so much that has gotten confused in the english.

In the hebrew text, in verse 2 of ch.6 Gen. It calls them 'divine beings' instead of sons of God, which is also correct. Job 1:6 and 2:1 also says divine beings also. Shalom

According to the blue letter bible im seeing "sons of elohiym" instead of "divine beings." Could you clarify?

 

[Avinu]

According to the blue letter bible im seeing "sons of elohiym" instead of "divine beings." Could you clarify?

In the hebrew 'sons of God' is "bene Ha Elohim" which in this perticular usage, pertains to the angels. Which coincides with what the hebrew Bible( I have the Bible written in hebrew) says, which is "divine beings" They are also known as Nephilim, which is "fallen ones" or "giants"

Is this what you were asking for? If not let me know, Shalom.

 

[Laodicea]

The sons of God in Genesis 6 are not angels but, professed people of God and it shows the dangers of intermarriage as the Bible says
2 Corinthians 6:14
(14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Deuteronomy 7:3-4
(3) Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
(4) For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
1 Kings 11:1-4
(1) But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
(2) Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
(3) And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
(4) For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
Ezra 9:1-2
(1) Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
(2) For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

 

[CBM82]

What matters is what the Bible says not what we think and who perished in the flood?
Genesis 7:21-23
(21) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
(22) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
(23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Notice that angels are not mentioned

The sons of God in Genesis 6 are not angels but, professed people of God and it shows the dangers of intermarriage as the Bible says
2 Corinthians 6:14
(14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Deuteronomy 7:3-4
(3) Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
(4) For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
1 Kings 11:1-4
(1) But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
(2) Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
(3) And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
(4) For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
Ezra 9:1-2
(1) Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
(2) For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

I'm not sure if angels will perish in a flood, but maybe their offspring with humans will....thats why angels were not mentioned as those who perished but they are in "chains" or "prison"

Once again, why no mention of daughters of Seth and sons of Cain intermarrying? As you see below, sons and daughters of both sides are mentioned

Jdg 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.

Deu_7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Maybe because angels are always mentioned as masculine and daughters of "men" means mankind in general

 

[CBM82]

Even the Septuagint reads the sons of God in genesis 6 as being angels