The 4 beasts, vision of Daniel chapter 7

[Avinu]

Hi Avinu.

I am not convinced that the clay is Islam and from the same lump

Eli’s two sons Hophni and Phinehas doing the job of priests but they were marred in the hand of the potter, vessels unto dishonour.

Saul was the king of Gods people but persecuted David, hunted him down like a dog, and was marred in the hand of the potter, a vessel unto dishonour.

Judas that betrayed Jesus and he was marred in the hand of the potter, a vessel unto dishonour.

Brother shall deliver up the brother to death; these were marred in the hand of the potter, vessels unto dishonour.

The Jews of old made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel us Christians.

But all these were from the same lump, the work of the potter’s hand.

I think the rest of the people are the in the feet are the iron.

Saying this it doesn’t mean that Turkey will not be a part of the EU.

Don't get me wrong Peter, I don't say it's for sure, I think Islam is a very strong possibility, but only time will tell since scripture doesn't come right out and say who the clay is. Shalom Brother

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Avinu

Don't get me wrong Peter, I don't say it's for sure, I think Islam is a very strong possibility, but only time will tell since scripture doesn't come right out and say who the clay is. Shalom Brother

Ok brother I will keep it in mind.

I do think Islam has a part to play in the end times.

If Turkey will become a part of the EU and that’s the clay in the feet?, then the feet has come, and I think we then will be looking for the ten kings because the ten kings come before the Antichrist/little horn


7: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


But this could be all mid-week what do you think?

[iamsoandso]

peter,,read ezek chapter 23,,,,,,,,,,,"two women",she is not on the four beast in dan. 7,,,,,,,,,,why?,,,,,what did not exist in ad 96 and what had just begun??????,,,twelve tribes,,,,,,,,twelve apostles,,,,,,,,,,,back track to where you said,,,,, "are they different sets of seven headed beast?",,,,,,,,,she is not on the "four beast"

[iamsoandso]

aholah,,,,aholibah,,,,,,,,,,,,look these names up,,,,,,,,they are never used anywhere,,except here,,,,,,,,,, "her tent",,,my tent,,,tabernacle,,,house,,,,,to the first daughter,,,,,, but to the next "its his house",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your body is the temple of god,,,,,,,,,,,jesus is the temple,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Avinu]

If Turkey will become a part of the EU and that’s the clay in the feet?, then the feet has come, and I think we then will be looking for the ten kings because the ten kings come before the Antichrist/little horn

Personally I think the 10 kings are already in place. We just won't see them outright till tribulation, and quite possible in mid-week. Shalom

[Avinu]

peter,,read ezek chapter 23,,,,,,,,,,,"two women",she is not on the four beast in dan. 7,,,,,,,,,,why?,,,,,what did not exist in ad 96 and what had just begun??????,,,twelve tribes,,,,,,,,twelve apostles,,,,,,,,,,,back track to where you said,,,,, "are they different sets of seven headed beast?",,,,,,,,,she is not on the "four beast"

aholah,,,,aholibah,,,,,,,,,,,,look these names up,,,,,,,,they are never used anywhere,,except here,,,,,,,,,, "her tent",,,my tent,,,tabernacle,,,house,,,,,to the first daughter,,,,,, but to the next "its his house",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your body is the temple of god,,,,,,,,,,,jesus is the temple,,,,,,,,,,,,

My friend, it is very hard to understand you, your sentences are not complete, and you jump from one subject to the next. At least that's what it seems. Plus all the comma's you put in between words and half sentences makes it even worse to understand. Can you be more explicit about what you're trying to convey? Shalom

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Avinu

Personally I think the 10 kings are already in place. We just won't see them outright till tribulation, and quite possible in mid-week. Shalom

Yes I think they are here now in the world.

Ten kings shall arise out of that last beast Daniel 7.

and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

It sounds like the little horn comes in the middle of the 7 years to me (time and times and the dividing of time). But I am not sure if the ten kings arise at the beginning of the 7 years or some other time or just before the last 3 ½ years/just before the little horn, it just says the ten kings they arise before the little horn (and another shall rise after them)

I know the antichrist is around at the start of the 7 years, so he must come to full power mid-week, judging by Rv13 and Rv12 and Daniel 7 the little horn

[iamsoandso]

"if she cheats",,,,she has an husband,,,,and if she is of another god,,, she cannot "cheat",,,,on the lord of host,,,,,,,,,,so she would not be an adulterer to him,,,,that is the next door neighbors wife if she cheats,, did not cheat on the husband of the man who lives next door to her,,,she cheated on the husband who lives in her house,,,,"her husband",,,that is the Egyptians,the assassins,the Greek,the Chaldean,the Persians nor the Romans,were the woman to god the almighty,,,,,,,,,,,and so they did not "cheat on him",,,so if they "are considered,,,harlots",,,,,,and god said they committed adultery on him,,,he said she was "his wife" ,,,,his(gods) wife cheated on him,,,,,"she went an whoring after other gods"now some ,,, will be relieved but also after the first sister,,,"aholah"(Israel),,,,cheat,,, but also after the younger sister "aholibah"(church),,,cheat and both rode the heads of the beast,,,,,,,,,now it would seem fitting that you and me were from two different languages,,,,,,one that is from right to left,,, and the other from left to right,,,,,one in its origin not putting space between words or using punctuation marks,,,,and the other righting from left to right and from its beggining using punctuation,,,,,but we should see somewhere in between,,,,,"i do not take offense in you",,,,,

[Laodicea]

The 10 horns arose when Rome fell in 476 AD. When western Rome fell in 476 AD it was divided into 10 parts

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Laodicea

The 10 horns arose when Rome fell in 476 AD. When western Rome fell in 476 AD it was divided into 10 parts

Hi Laodicea

How do you explain the ten horns on the 7th head in Rv17 were john says the head with the ten horns/kings it has not yet come, but the ten kings/horns they give their power and strength to the beast?


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

[Laodicea]

Originally Posted by peterT

Hi Laodicea

How do you explain the ten horns on the 7th head in Rv17 were john says the head with the ten horns/kings it has not yet come, but the ten kings/horns they give their power and strength to the beast?


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

It does not say they have not yet come but, they have received no kingdom

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Laodicea

It does not say they have not yet come but, they have received no kingdom

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7th head is not yet come and that the head with the ten kings.

Don’t you think the ten kings that come in Rv 17. Is related the to ten kings in Daniel 7?

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Laodicea

The 10 horns arose when Rome fell in 476 AD. When western Rome fell in 476 AD it was divided into 10 parts

That’s not right. 2000 years ago the church was formed, thus the clay in the feet. Now notes the toes at the end of the feet when the stone/Jesus comes. Daniel 2.

Also notes.

when john said the other is not yet come but it must continue for a short space, thus the ten kings must also continue for a short space, and the ten horns/kings john said which have received no kingdom as yet but reserved power one hour with the beast.
This is at the end.

The ten toes the ten horns the ten kings are all at the end. The end of Bible prophecy

Also notes.

When Daniel says in Dan2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom

Daniel must have been prophesying because he is not talking about the king of the head of Gold, or the king of the arms of silver, or the king of the belly and his thighs of brass, or the king of the legs of iron, because all these kings are all dead and buried. So he must have been prophesying when he said (in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom) about the last ten kings at the end of the world the toes.

[Laodicea]

Originally Posted by peterT

That’s not right. 2000 years ago the church was formed, thus the clay in the feet. Now notes the toes at the end of the feet when the stone/Jesus comes. Daniel 2.

Also notes.

when john said the other is not yet come but it must continue for a short space, thus the ten kings must also continue for a short space, and the ten horns/kings john said which have received no kingdom as yet but reserved power one hour with the beast.
This is at the end.

The ten toes the ten horns the ten kings are all at the end. The end of Bible prophecy

Also notes.

When Daniel says in Dan2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom

Daniel must have been prophesying because he is not talking about the king of the head of Gold, or the king of the arms of silver, or the king of the belly and his thighs of brass, or the king of the legs of iron, because all these kings are all dead and buried. So he must have been prophesying when he said (in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom) about the last ten kings at the end of the world the toes.

The clay began not when the church was formed 2000 years ago but, when the 4th kingdom Rome came to an end which was 476 AD. That is how the prophecy works the next kingdom comes along when the previous kingdom ends and because there is no gap between kingdoms then as soon as Rome fell in 476 AD then we can expect to see the 10 kings.

Western Rome fell in 476 AD and was divided into 10 kingdoms just as the prophecy said

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Laodicea

The clay began not when the church was formed 2000 years ago but, when the 4th kingdom Rome came to an end which was 476 AD. That is how the prophecy works the next kingdom comes along when the previous kingdom ends and because there is no gap between kingdoms then as soon as Rome fell in 476 AD then we can expect to see the 10 kings.

Western Rome fell in 476 AD and was divided into 10 kingdoms just as the prophecy said

Even if the Church began when Rome came to an end it makes no difference to what I said.

Out of the beast arose ten kings thus after the beast was formed before the ten kings

If the ten kings are dead 1500 years ago then so is the other king the little horn is dead also.

But it says it’s in the Ancient of days and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld [even] till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The little horn is in the last days but you have him and the ten kings dead and buried about 1500 years ago.

The toes are at the end of the feet. And God didn’t count all the kings that ever where, he just is counting the kings that have power one hour with the beast in the last days. So if there’s a gap it’s meant to be there.

[Laodicea]

The mixture of Iron & Clay church/state began when the 4th kingdom, Rome fell. Before that the church did not have power from the state.

[peterT]

Originally Posted by Laodicea

The mixture of Iron & Clay church/state began when the 4th kingdom, Rome fell. Before that the church did not have power from the state.

That’s not right Laodicea.

John said there are 7 kingdoms NOT six.

Daniel 2
1 Head of Gold
2 breast and his arms of silver.
3 belly and his thighs of brass
4 His legs of iron.
5 feet part of iron and part of clay.

Now look at the whole pitcher in bible history including the first two kingdoms 1) Egypt 2) Assyria.
That makes seven kingdom altogether in bible history.

The first kingdom in Daniel 2.

32 This image's head [was] of fine gold, ……………………………… Empire Babylon, Daniels day.


His breast and his arms of silver, ………………………………………….Empire Medo-Persia.


His belly and his thighs of brass,……………………………………………Empire Greece.


33 His legs of iron, ………………………………………….......................Empire Rome .
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron.


His feet part of iron and part of clay. …………………………………….Empire last days.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided;
42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

So you can see I can see 5 kingdoms in the image Daniel 2 not 4.

Originally Posted by Laodicea

The 10 horns arose when Rome fell in 476 AD. When western Rome fell in 476 AD it was divided into 10 parts

That’s not right Laodicea.

From about Ad 369 Empire was beginning to crumble and from AD410 Rome was no longer the super power it wants was. It stopped moving forward and concurring the world in the beginning 5th century. But it refused to give up the ghost until mid- 6th century.

And there were way more than ten kings that got self-rule back after the fall of the Roman Empire

Your theory is week at best that Daniel 7 is fulfilled.