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[Crimeny]

Gods commandment to not observe the days or pagan holidays?

Do you still believe it applies today to holidays like easter, xmas, valentines day, halloween, and many other holidays?

I still think it is in effect and no matter how much you wanna christianize something bad it still does not nullify the fact that these are not holidays set by God or Jesus and that they have origins in pagan things, and it seems more of a justification to celebrate humanistic things, not very good in my opinion.

[loveme1]

Most people are not aware of the truth behind these days, and trust they are okay.

If you read the Bible then these days are not acceptable.

The problem is that we go with the flow assuming that it must be okay, if so many do it.

Research these holidays and see why they are not acceptable.

Yahweh our Heavenly Father does not want us following paganism, he wants us to follow him.

Nothing is harmless, it is all acts against him.

Break away from the flow and see that not everything is as it seems...

[Israel]

Who is really in defilement; the one who celebrates such days or the one who does not and would condemn one who does?

Who gives an idol power if not you? The ones who do celebrate them can care less about an idol and from the heart, obey the law (an idol is nothing in the world).

You on the other hand, who would condemn because of a tree or an egg which hold no power accept in your own mind do in fact transgress the law. You have because you are in fact weak in faith on this matter as nothing of the flesh profits anything. When you then eat at their table having knowledge of an idol, you then defile yourself. Do you not use the various sales to your advantage as well during the holidays? We must all be careful of what we give power to.

[loveme1]

Originally Posted by Israel

Who is really in defilement; the one who celebrates such days or the one who does not and would condemn one who does?

Who gives an idol power if not you? The ones who do celebrate them can care less about an idol and from the heart, obey the law (an idol is nothing in the world).

You on the other hand, who would condemn because of a tree or an egg which hold no power accept in your own mind do in fact transgress the law. You have because you are in fact weak in faith on this matter as nothing of the flesh profits anything. When you then eat at their table having knowledge of an idol, you then defile yourself. Do you not use the various sales to your advantage as well during the holidays? We must all be careful of what we give power to.

The one accepts such days, because man told them it is okay, and not following the Almighty Yahweh.

All you hear is "don't judge" "don't condemn"............... if you feel judged by Yahweh word, or condemned by Yahweh righteous expectations of us then, who is wrong the one who reminds of Yahweh expectation, or the one that feels condemnedd by it?

How else can we spread the truth?
Should we deny the truth, to satisfy ourselves? or should we start reading the word given to us and see why these things are clearly not expected of us.

Matt 15:7 - "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 `These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with [their] lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "

Jeremiah 10:1-4 - Hear the word which Yahweh speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says Yahweh: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not topple.

[Avinu]

Gods commandment to not observe the days or pagan holidays?

Do you still believe it applies today to holidays like easter, xmas, valentines day, halloween, and many other holidays?

I still think it is in effect and no matter how much you wanna christianize something bad it still does not nullify the fact that these are not holidays set by God or Jesus and that they have origins in pagan things, and it seems more of a justification to celebrate humanistic things, not very good in my opinion.

Crimeny, it is so nice to see someone your age, that has the sense to see what YHVH wants and what He warns about in scripture.
You are absolutely correct. YHVH gave us 7 appointed, ordained, blessed, Holy feasts to keep that say they are forever. Scripture also proves that they will be kept in the millenial reign.
You're right again, xmas, easter, halloween, etc. are all pagan celebrations. It is unfortunate that there are some who will use any excuse that sounds good to them to justify keeping them. Which just proves they are doing it for themselves and not to honor YHVH.
So keep encouraged, one simple rule I like to live by is, if it's not in scripture, then I'm not interested. If it's in scripture to be for us, I want it, if it warns against it, then I'm not touching it. No matter how man tries to dress it nice. You can dress up a terd, but in the end it's still stinky crap. LOL
Shalom

[greatblue]

Originally Posted by loveme1

The one accepts such days, because man told them it is okay, and not following the Almighty Yahweh.

All you hear is "don't judge" "don't condemn"............... if you feel judged by Yahweh word, or condemned by Yahweh righteous expectations of us then, who is wrong the one who reminds of Yahweh expectation, or the one that feels condemnedd by it?

How else can we spread the truth?
Should we deny the truth, to satisfy ourselves? or should we start reading the word given to us and see why these things are clearly not expected of us.

Matt 15:7 - "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 `These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with [their] lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "

Jeremiah 10:1-4 - Hear the word which Yahweh speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says Yahweh: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not topple.

What is your understanding of redemption? I just read a beautiful post by another. I'll paraphrase here--Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man, in perfect harmony, so that he could reconcile the world to Himself. Do you understand the depth and the breadth of this? If I buy my wife flowers on valentine's day, is the Holy Spirit grieved? Because I give a gift of love to my wife? How about christmas? A celebration of God's most precious gift, His Son, that I can emulate as a father giving my own children gifts to communicate a love. And, do you not know that easter and Christ's resurrection is indeed God's gift of us, the bride, to His Son?

Matthew 15:7...please do not take scripture out of context. His audience was the Pharisaic heart He came to condemn. So you know, these were those using the Law to condemn all others , even Christ Himself. Christ didn't condemn the Law, but He certainly placed God's grace over the Law...or we're all toast! By the way, I am in no way advocating for or justifying holidays...and if I really wanted to I would totally hammer home circumcision and dietary requirements, as these are obviously fully dealt with in the New Testament.

We all need to be watchful of developing a Pharasaic heart. After all, this is the natural bent of man, as shown by those Pharisees of Christ's time. They were blameless to the law, because it was observational, superficial, etc. As believers in Christ we are just as susceptible to the Pharasaic fall, and we need to walk humble with God.

Can't you hear judgement..."Woe to you, sinful man, who wags your finger in proclamation of truth, thinking your 'finger wag' is any less sinful than the 'sin' your wagging at"

Again...ears to hear = something WE all need.

[loveme1]

I never said that I had not also been deceived by pagan tradition....

You are making excuses for observing Valentines day, now your heart will prove if you are buying those flowers out of love for your wife, or out of respect for the day, we can not hide our intentions from Yahweh.

Do not call me a pharisee, for they were not proclaiming Yahweh laws, but man made tradition/custom, quite like the pagan celebration that we are discussing.

And even the name easter is from a pagan godess, of fertility hence the eggs.............

I have heard judgement, and I have repented.
My word i was ripped to pieces,and i was raised up again on the truth.
Why not read the Bible, and realise that it is not acceptable for us to observe pagan custom, Yahweh our Heavenly Father slaughtered those wicked people.
The Bible does not change to suit us, we change to suit Yahweh.
He is righteous, he is merciful, he is loving, you accept his son Yeshua as your Saviour, yet you bother to find out what pleases him.
The Almighty Yahweh would kill those that broke his commandments.
He is justified in all that he does because he is good and loving, and none can come against him and win. He is the Beginning and the End.

If you want to know how angry he is with us, go read Revelation, so do not humble yourself with the idea that he is accepting everything we have done, or are doing.
We deserve to perish for our wickedness, only by his grace that he sent Yeshua to pay the price that we may be Saved and rewarded with eternal life.
Accepting Yeshua is accepting the gift of Salvation given by Yahweh our Almighty Father.
We are at peak of deception, where pagan celebration is acceptable, pagan magic and witches are for entertainment....
I never read in the Bible that we can continue doing these abominable things.

I read that we can be forgiven and saved.

So yes if on Tuesday you feel like buying your wife flowers, and coincides with pagan custom, then Yahweh will know your heart.
We hide nothing from the Almighty.

[tribesman]

Originally Posted by Crimeny

Gods commandment to not observe the days or pagan holidays?

Do you still believe it applies today to holidays like easter, xmas, valentines day, halloween, and many other holidays?

I still think it is in effect and no matter how much you wanna christianize something bad it still does not nullify the fact that these are not holidays set by God or Jesus and that they have origins in pagan things, and it seems more of a justification to celebrate humanistic things, not very good in my opinion.

I would agree with you here.

[dscherck]

Originally Posted by Crimeny

Gods commandment to not observe the days or pagan holidays?

Do you still believe it applies today to holidays like easter, xmas, valentines day, halloween, and many other holidays?

I still think it is in effect and no matter how much you wanna christianize something bad it still does not nullify the fact that these are not holidays set by God or Jesus and that they have origins in pagan things, and it seems more of a justification to celebrate humanistic things, not very good in my opinion.

Easter's not a pagan holidy. Nor is Christmas, Valentine's Day,or Halloween. Those are all Christian holidays. Granted nowadays they're pretty secularized, but they were all originally Christian holidays.

[rainacorn]

You lack the authority to tell people they cannot celebrate holidays. If you choose not to celebrate at all, that is your prerogative. I choose to celebrate and try to do so in a way that glorifies God. He has yet to convict me that it's wrong.

Originally Posted by Israel

Who is really in defilement; the one who celebrates such days or the one who does not and would condemn one who does?

Who gives an idol power if not you? The ones who do celebrate them can care less about an idol and from the heart, obey the law (an idol is nothing in the world).

You on the other hand, who would condemn because of a tree or an egg which hold no power accept in your own mind do in fact transgress the law. You have because you are in fact weak in faith on this matter as nothing of the flesh profits anything. When you then eat at their table having knowledge of an idol, you then defile yourself. Do you not use the various sales to your advantage as well during the holidays? We must all be careful of what we give power to.

This post warrants a response. Very well said !!

[Avinu]

The one accepts such days, because man told them it is okay, and not following the Almighty Yahweh.

All you hear is "don't judge" "don't condemn"............... if you feel judged by Yahweh word, or condemned by Yahweh righteous expectations of us then, who is wrong the one who reminds of Yahweh expectation, or the one that feels condemnedd by it?

How else can we spread the truth?
Should we deny the truth, to satisfy ourselves? or should we start reading the word given to us and see why these things are clearly not expected of us.

Matt 15:7 - "Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 `These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with [their] lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "

Jeremiah 10:1-4 - Hear the word which Yahweh speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says Yahweh: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not topple.

Very well said my friend. And if I may elaborate on it, those who try to claim that easter, xmas, halloween etc. are actually christian celebrations, are puposefully blind, and have no desire to know the truth about it. They think they celebrate these things for God, and actually believe that He likes it. (I'm talking about those who know the truth about these pagan celebrations and still do them)
They would rather keep doing these pagan ways, instead of keeping the ordained, blessed and Holy feasts that YHVH gives us in scripture. They will make every excuse to do away with YHVH's true celebrations, while in the same breathe tell YHVH that they are going to do things their way and YHVH will just have to accept it. We can only pray that YHVH have mercy on them and remove their self put blinders that they choose to have on in this matter.

[Avinu]

You lack the authority to tell people they cannot celebrate holidays. If you choose not to celebrate at all, that is your prerogative. I choose to celebrate and try to do so in a way that glorifies God. He has yet to convict me that it's wrong.

Actually Yeshua gives us authority to correct and exhort each other daily. So if you are a true believer and you're keeping pagan holidays, then yes he does have the authority to tell you you're doing wrong and need to stop. You can choose to celebrate these pagan ways, thinking that you glorify God, but if you know that they are pagan and still keep them, than you mock God and He will not, nor does not, receive or honor your celebrations. If you want to truly honor God, if you honestly care more about pleasing Him His way and not your own, then keep His 7 feasts that He gave us all. You can read about all 7 in Leviticus 23. Shalom

[rainacorn]

Originally Posted by Avinu

Actually Yeshua gives us authority to correct and exhort each other daily. So if you are a true believer and you're keeping pagan holidays, then yes he does have the authority to tell you you're doing wrong and need to stop. You can choose to celebrate these pagan ways, thinking that you glorify God, but if you know that they are pagan and still keep them, than you mock God and He will not, nor does not, receive or honor your celebrations. If you want to truly honor God, if you honestly care more about pleasing Him His way and not your own, then keep His 7 feasts that He gave us all. You can read about all 7 in Leviticus 23. Shalom

Thanks for your opinion, but...

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore, don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

I appreciate that you're still so tied down to the law, but I am free in Christ, friend.

[Avinu]

Thanks for your opinion, but...

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore, don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

I appreciate that you're still so tied down to the law, but I am free in Christ, friend.

Lets look at what the word judgment means,

G2919
κρίνω
krinō
kree'-no
Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

Titus 2:15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with ALL AUTHORITY. Let no one despise you.

the word rebuke
G1651
ἐλέγχω
elegchō
el-eng'-kho
Of uncertain affinity; to confute, admonish: - convict, convince, tell a fault, rebuke, reprove.

So now you can see here and learn the difference between judging and rebuking. Now you have no more excuse.
And as Titus says in the verse above, we have been given full authority to rebuke those who do wrong and know better. It's to your edification, or it will be to your judgement by YHVH when you stand before Him and have no excuse.

[rainacorn]

Is not the law written on our hearts?

[Trax]

Originally Posted by Crimeny

Gods commandment to not observe the days or pagan holidays?

Do you still believe it applies today to holidays like easter, xmas, valentines day, halloween, and many other holidays?

I still think it is in effect and no matter how much you wanna christianize something bad it still does not nullify the fact that these are not holidays set by God or Jesus and that they have origins in pagan things, and it seems more of a justification to celebrate humanistic things, not very good in my opinion.

Holidays are the times when Christians search God's word for loop holes, in order to party
with the world. We are to shine as lights to the world, but they don't see lights. What the
world sees are "hypocrites" who practice pagan rites and rituals. This opinion is "THEIR" out
look on Christians. Many other things Christians do, that influence the world to "NOT" get
saved. Christians can debate until the second coming about where this or that holiday is ok
to do, but the unbelieving world knows a pagan holiday and event. If a Christian wants to
be part of the unbelieving world, then that Christian shouldn't be surprised if the non believer
doesn't want to be part of theirs. Why should they?

As for me, I choose to NOT celebrate the holidays, whose orgins are pagan. Not because I see
it as a sin, but because I see it sinful to help a blind person get to the lake of fire. I can
mess up on my own, with daily living, and do the very same thing. I don't need to go out of
my way and do it.

[Avinu]

Is not the law written on our hearts?

Here's a question for you, what do you think the law pertains to? I'm asking so I can establish where your beliefs are. Then we can proceed.

[Avinu]

Holidays are the times when Christians search God's word for loop holes, in order to party
with the world. We are to shine as lights to the world, but they don't see lights. What the
world sees are "hypocrites" who practice pagan rites and rituals. This opinion is "THEIR" out
look on Christians. Many other things Christians do, that influence the world to "NOT" get
saved. Christians can debate until the second coming about where this or that holiday is ok
to do, but the unbelieving world knows a pagan holiday and event. If a Christian wants to
be part of the unbelieving world, then that Christian shouldn't be surprised if the non believer
doesn't want to be part of theirs. Why should they?

As for me, I choose to NOT celebrate the holidays, whose orgins are pagan. Not because I see
it as a sin, but because I see it sinful to help a blind person get to the lake of fire. I can
mess up on my own, with daily living, and do the very same thing. I don't need to go out of
my way and do it.

AMEN TRAX, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AND YET AGAIN CAN I SAY, AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rainacorn]

Originally Posted by Avinu

Here's a question for you, what do you think the law pertains to? I'm asking so I can establish where your beliefs are. Then we can proceed.

The law makes us aware of our sin. However, Christ writes the law on our hearts so someone can feel convicted of wrongdoing and sin without ever knowing the law. It's for everyone...not just Jews.

There is nothing to proceed into. You're not going to convince me that I must abandon all of my family traditions and church holidays and I'm not sure why you even care so much about what I do.

I've debated this with myself and prayed on it over the years and where I stand now is here- it's not that important. I am not worshiping pagan gods or doing as the pagans do. There is no santa claus in this house. There is no easter bunny either. I celebrate in a way that I believe glorifies God and keeps Him at the center of our holiday traditions. I don't think God has a problem with it and I really don't care if you do. I have no idea who you are.