Divorce is unbiblical

[TheGrungeDiva]

I have a question.

Jesus spoke very clearly against divorce. The Bible is certainly more clear against divorce than it is against homosexuality.

So if we, as Christians, are saying that gay marriage should remain illegal because it goes against the Bible, why are we allowing divorce, when it also goes against the Bible? Should we not also outlaw divorce?

[Avinu]

I have a question.

Jesus spoke very clearly against divorce. The Bible is certainly more clear against divorce than it is against homosexuality.

So if we, as Christians, are saying that gay marriage should remain illegal because it goes against the Bible, why are we allowing divorce, when it also goes against the Bible? Should we not also outlaw divorce?

I would have to disagree about that, scripture is quite clear about how much YHVH despises homosexuality.

Romans 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, buned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their eror which was due.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit hte kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites,

I would say outlawing divorce would definitely cut it down alot, but scripture does show us that YHVH allows divorce if their is infidelity.

Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an ABOMINATION.

[CBM82]

Isa 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

God divorced Israel

You think if a man gets drunk and beats his wife everyday that she shouldn't be able to divorce him?

[Avinu]

Isa 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

God divorced Israel

You think if a man gets drunk and beats his wife everyday that she shouldn't be able to divorce him?

This is one of the reasons why Yeshua had to die on the cross, to take the punishment of the harlot wife of Israel, so she could be taken back as the bride.

[CanadaNZ]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

I have a question.

Jesus spoke very clearly against divorce. The Bible is certainly more clear against divorce than it is against homosexuality.

So if we, as Christians, are saying that gay marriage should remain illegal because it goes against the Bible, why are we allowing divorce, when it also goes against the Bible? Should we not also outlaw divorce?

I have to disagree Jesus himself said there was reason for divorce, but that all divorce was not ok.

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

[kayem77]

It's not the same thing....divorce is actually allowed in case of infidelity,not that God likes it or wants it that way, but in such case it is allowed. That people get divorced for silly and selfish reasons all the time it's another thing, and we can't avoid that to happen. Homosexuality on the other hand, is never approved by God but we still are commanded to show our love to the sinner by witnessing to them, reachin to them, and presenting the salvation that is in Christ, not by supporting their sin.

You don't even need to be a christian to know that same-sex marriage is wrong, that's why the gay rights movement hates our ''intolerance'' so much, they want to defend their position when there is no way they can do it. Romans 1 tells us about the world changing the truth for lies, we are seeing that happening. Modern Psychology agrees that the best way to raise a child is in a healthy marriage between a man and a woman (I read this on the internet), even our bodies tells us that the only way to form a family is in the union between a man and a woman. The truth is all over the place...but people don't like the truth and they get angry because they wan't to defend their shameful deeds and they find opposition(John 3:19).

Am I saying that we should hate homosexuals? NO, not at all, we are all sinners and instead of hating we should spread the gospel. I'm saying that I'm not gonna support same-sex marriage because it's clearly wrong and God doesn't like it. If a same-sex couple is living together is not of my business,...I can't go to them and tell them " hey! stop doing it because it's wrong! " haha but when society is trying to bring that to something created by God which is marriage, I'm not gonna support it.

PS. I'm not trying to sound harsh on homosexuals, nor do I want to sound like a hater, I'm just giving my biblical perception of this matter.

[TheGrungeDiva]

Originally Posted by kayem77

It's not the same thing....divorce is actually allowed in case of infidelity,not that God likes it or wants it that way, but in such case it is allowed.

Not according to Jesus. Jesus specifically says that even in cases of infidelity it is not lawful. Either we should go by what Jesus says or not. If not, we need to acknowledge that we're being "pick-and-choose" Christians. I think everyone is, to some extent, a "pick-and-choose" Christian; I just think some people are more honest about it than others.

That people get divorced for silly and selfish reasons all the time it's another thing, and we can't avoid that to happen.

And how, exactly, do you propose to avoid homosexuality from happening? You say we can't avoid divorce, therefore we allow it. By that same logic, we should allow homosexuality.

Homosexuality on the other hand, is never approved by God but we still are commanded to show our love to the sinner by witnessing to them, reachin to them, and presenting the salvation that is in Christ, not by supporting their sin.

Can you describe the difference to me between these two situations: Couple #1: a couple is legally "married," (by the state), but both people had been married before and divorced. Their previous divorces were not for infidelity or abuse, but "selfish reasons" as you say. Both previous marriages were in a church, while they were Christian.
Couple #2: Two women who are in a relationship. Neither has ever had sex with a man. They are faithful to each other and have made a life-long commitment to each other.

Now explain to me why couple #1 is considered completely acceptable in any church, would be able to join any church (except for some Catholic churches) in full communion, and most Protestant churches wouldn't even mind if this couple were the ministers, while couple #2 would be told that they really could not be Christian until they repented of their sinful lifestyle. How is the "lifestyle" of couple #2 any more sinful than couple #1?

You don't even need to be a christian to know that same-sex marriage is wrong,

And yet millions of Christians know that there is nothing wrong with same-sex marriage, and most non-Christians don't understand why so many Christians say it is. Hmmmm.

that's why the gay rights movement hates our ''intolerance'' so much, they want to defend their position when there is no way they can do it.

Seems to me that it is your intolerance that cannot be defended.

Modern Psychology agrees that the best way to raise a child is in a healthy marriage between a man and a woman (I read this on the internet),

I also read on the internet that aliens from Mars have infiltraded Canada and are planning to attack the US some time during the year 2012. So it must be true. Actually, statistically, children raised by gay couples are more likely to be well-adjusted than children raised by straight couples. Not sure how that statistic plays into your phobia, but there it is.

I'm saying that I'm not gonna support same-sex marriage because it's clearly wrong and God doesn't like it.

Gossip is also clearly wrong, according to the Bible, and God doesn't like it. However, I don't want to pass any laws making it illegal to chat with your neighbor. Such "big brother" tactics are not what this nation is all about. In this country, we're all about freedom of religion, and that means freedom from religion, too. If someone wants to worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster, they have a right to do it. Just because my God says it's wrong doesn't give me the right to pass laws banning such behavior.

but when society is trying to bring that to something created by God which is marriage, I'm not gonna support it.

Marriage was not created by God. Unions were created by God. Humans created marriage for the purpose of political alliances. States have created marriage for the purpose of inheritance laws and other legal contracts. God blesses holy matrimony. Nothing more, nothing less. Check your Bible, and you'll see that I'm right.

[1Christianwarrior316]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

Not according to Jesus. Jesus specifically says that even in cases of infidelity it is not lawful

Jesus said,
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Mat 5:32 But1161 I1473 say3004 unto you,5213 That3754 whosoever3739, 302 shall put away630 his848 wife,1135 saving for3924 the cause3056 of fornication,4202 causeth4160 her846 to commit adultery:3429 and2532 whosoever3739, 1437 shall marry1060 her that is divorced630 committeth adultery.3429

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
Thayer Definition:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman;


G3924
παρεκτός
parektos
par-ek-tos'
From G3844 and G1622; near outside, that is, besides: - except, saving, without.

Scripture does not agree with your statement.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

[CanadaNZ]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

Not according to Jesus. Jesus specifically says that even in cases of infidelity it is not lawful. Either we should go by what Jesus says or not. If not, we need to acknowledge that we're being "pick-and-choose" Christians. I think everyone is, to some extent, a "pick-and-choose" Christian; I just think some people are more honest about it than others.

I think many would rather be called "pick and choose" christians instead of being an obviously "don't really read my bible" christian (or even the posts above). JESUS SAYS:

"Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery."

AND

"He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

[Avinu]

I think many would rather be called "pick and choose" christians instead of being an obviously "don't really read my bible" christian (or even the posts above). JESUS SAYS:

"Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery."

AND

"He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Amen Canada, I love scripture, it is so clear. Shalom

[kayem77]

[quote]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

Not according to Jesus. Jesus specifically says that even in cases of infidelity it is not lawful. Either we should go by what Jesus says or not. If not, we need to acknowledge that we're being "pick-and-choose" Christians. I think everyone is, to some extent, a "pick-and-choose" Christian; I just think some people are more honest about it than others.

Ehh......Jesus did say that it was allowed in case of infidelity, do we have a different Bible? And I will add again, even though it is allowed, God doesn't like divorce and he prefers that the couple reconciles.

It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

And how, exactly, do you propose to avoid homosexuality from happening? You say we can't avoid divorce, therefore we allow it. By that same logic, we should allow homosexuality.

You clearly ''picked and chose'' from my post . If you read my post throroughly you can notice that I said that I can't help homosexuality from happening but what I can do is not support the idea of same-sex marriage.


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Can you describe the difference to me between these two situations: Couple #1: a couple is legally "married," (by the state), but both people had been married before and divorced. Their previous divorces were not for infidelity or abuse, but "selfish reasons" as you say. Both previous marriages were in a church, while they were Christian.
Couple #2: Two women who are in a relationship. Neither has ever had sex with a man. They are faithful to each other and have made a life-long commitment to each other.

Now explain to me why couple #1 is considered completely acceptable in any church, would be able to join any church (except for some Catholic churches) in full communion, and most Protestant churches wouldn't even mind if this couple were the ministers, while couple #2 would be told that they really could not be Christian until they repented of their sinful lifestyle. How is the "lifestyle" of couple #2 any more sinful than couple #1?

1. First off...I wouldn't know if the couple was married before unless I talk to them, let alone knowing the reasons of their divorces. I think we both know that we can't go and tell them to go back to their first spouses right? That is none of my business, I won't sit on the throne on God and judge them when I don't know if they are now living rightly before God. Are you saying that people who were married before shouldn't be allowed to be in churches?

2. The difference is that, while we don't know if couple #1 is living in sin, couple #2 clearly is (the Bible says it not me). Yes, they can be nice and loving, but they are still living in sin but....I don't think anyone shouldn't be allowed to go to church . Church is for sinners, whatever the sin is...if homosexuals go to church and hopefully they accept Jesus, that is a victory for God and I wouldn't want to be a hindrance for that happening . I think eveyone should go to church.

And yet millions of Christians know that there is nothing wrong with same-sex marriage, and most non-Christians don't understand why so many Christians say it is. Hmmmm.

Well....we say it because it's in the Bible. I don't understand, are you supporting homosexuality? I won't even post the verses that talk about it because I bet you have already read them. I won't conform to the world, I will conform to God's word.

Seems to me that it is your intolerance that cannot be defended.

Hmm....did you want to start this thread just so you could bash anyone that didn't agree with you? sorry if I sound intolerant, my intention is not to bash anyone or judge anyone, my intention is to share my opinion and the Bible is pretty clear about homosexuality. I'm not putting homosexuality on a pedestal saying that it's different to other sins....but it's still a sin. If that makes me intolerant, then I guess I am....

I also read on the internet that aliens from Mars have infiltraded Canada and are planning to attack the US some time during the year 2012. So it must be true. Actually, statistically, children raised by gay couples are more likely to be well-adjusted than children raised by straight couples. Not sure how that statistic plays into your phobia, but there it is.

I don't see the point of responding to this...

Gossip is also clearly wrong, according to the Bible, and God doesn't like it. However, I don't want to pass any laws making it illegal to chat with your neighbor. Such "big brother" tactics are not what this nation is all about. In this country, we're all about freedom of religion, and that means freedom from religion, too. If someone wants to worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster, they have a right to do it. Just because my God says it's wrong doesn't give me the right to pass laws banning such behavior.

Well, there are not laws against gossip but there are laws against false accusations and false advertising. However, that's not the point...what confuses me about your post is that it sounds like you support freedom from religion when you are still a christian. I support freedom of religion but I won't back out from my faith. If the world hates christians let it be...the world also hated Jesus.

Marriage was created by God, have you read the OT? yeah there were no ceremonies like there are today, there were no wedding dresses, bridesmaids,etc but the union and commitment before God is marriage and it is supposed to be holy. I agree that you can be heterosexual couple and not have a holy matrimony and I think I never implied that a heterosexual couple would automatically live under God's standard, in many MANY cases that's not the case and I think we all know that .

And yeah I checked my Bible....but this is not about who is right and who is wrong. I don't like that attitude seriously.I was trying to explain my point, if you are trying to ridicule me or bash me because I don't agree with you I don't see the point of creating a thread.
God bless.

[jimmydiggs]

Looks like a trap.

[lil_christian]

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

Looks like a trap.

I don't know where you get your pictures...but yikes. o.O Juuust yikes

[jimmydiggs]

Originally Posted by lil_christian

I don't know where you get your pictures...but yikes. o.O Juuust yikes

[resurrection33]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

I have a question.

Jesus spoke very clearly against divorce. The Bible is certainly more clear against divorce than it is against homosexuality.

So if we, as Christians, are saying that gay marriage should remain illegal because it goes against the Bible, why are we allowing divorce, when it also goes against the Bible? Should we not also outlaw divorce?

The Bible teaches us to be chaste. That rules out homosexuality.

The only time divorce is okay is when the partner is guilty of unchastity (Matt 19:9). The church should acknowledge this.

[lil_christian]

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

Hmm...I think I have one



lol I was just startled by it. How chewed up it was. >.>

[TheGrungeDiva]

Originally Posted by resurrection33

The Bible teaches us to be chaste. That rules out homosexuality.

That also rules out heterosexuality.

The only time divorce is okay is when the partner is guilty of unchastity (Matt 19:9). The church should acknowledge this.

Well, either the church should stop allowing for divorce for reasons other than chastity, or the church should allow for monogamous faithful homosexual relationship. I only ask for consistency. My problem is with those who claim Biblical authority as an excuse for bigotry when they ignore stronger Biblical evidence for other behaviors.

So homosexuality is a sin. So is gluttony. Yet I know of no church that tells fat people they can't be Christians until they turn away from their sinful lifestyle. I know of no Christian community that seeks to limit rights for gluttons. And I challenge you to find one Christian who says fat people shouldn't be allowed to get married.

Lots of sinful people get married. There are a lot of marriages in this country that are far from holy. In a country where a couple of drunken sluts can get married by an Elvis Impersonator in Las Vegas, marriage is FAR from holy. In a nation where divorce is well over 50%, marriage is not sacred. God has nothing to do with marriage in this country, and I don't think he ever has. It is purely a legal contract. If the church wishes to deny the rite of matrimony to gays and lesbians, I absolutely support that. But when they want to inflict their beliefs on others, they are going against the constitution, which so many have fought and died to protect. Sorry, but as a Patriotic American, I just can't get behind that.

[kayem77]

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

Looks like a trap.

LOL, yeah it looks like one

[nath1234]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

That also rules out heterosexuality.

Lots of sinful people get married. There are a lot of marriages in this country that are far from holy. In a country where a couple of drunken sluts can get married by an Elvis Impersonator in Las Vegas, marriage is FAR from holy. In a nation where divorce is well over 50%, marriage is not sacred. God has nothing to do with marriage in this country, and I don't think he ever has. It is purely a legal contract. If the church wishes to deny the rite of matrimony to gays and lesbians, I absolutely support that. But when they want to inflict their beliefs on others, they are going against the constitution, which so many have fought and died to protect. Sorry, but as a Patriotic American, I just can't get behind that.

you are incorrect in many ways

the law that a union of marrige between a man and a woman is special and has special legal privilages was defined a long time ago by the founders of america this was not the church trying to inforce their beliefs on anyone.

the church and every person in america has every right to support the definition of this law staying the same as it has been (and by doing this they are in no ways going against the constitution)

gays and lesbians are free to do whatever they want (and by not giving gays and lesbians relationships special legal rights ie marrige is in no ways takeing away thier constitutional rights)

a country is free to make laws that some relationships have special rights and some do not

eg brother and sister ,(no special rights)

husband and wife( special rights)

nath

[tribesman]

Originally Posted by TheGrungeDiva

...So homosexuality is a sin. So is gluttony. Yet I know of no church that tells fat people they can't be Christians until they turn away from their sinful lifestyle....

Are you defending same sex unions and gay marriages? Or are you just pointing out the hypocrisy of singling out homosexuality while being dead silent about and/or even tolerating other sins? A yes or no would do.