How do get over the Calvinist teaching

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andy76

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I can appreciate both sides generally Baptists vs Presbyterians. Do you think one of these sides of other denominations are 'true believers' ?

Do you really think that a God that can create a whole universe with all it's complexities and all us humans to live in it would mean for the Bible to be broken down into 5 points?

Because as far as i can see if you accept Calvinism there is no escaping it, it's basically at the root of your belief, if your comfortable in believing Calvinism you have nothing really to worry about as you believe you are one of the elect no matter what.

Even Jesus wasn't fully knowledgeable of Gods will, Matthew 27:46 as far as i can see ?

The way my mind works or certainly right now is that it has to be one or the other, shallow maybe, but to the Baptists vs Presbyterians well there is zero compatibility between the two churches because one does and the other doesn't believe in personal choice to be saved.

Any suggestions?
 
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andy76

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I have study through the relevant verses that teach each side of the arguement and part of me thinks that Calvinism is an easier option it also generally seem to water down any enthusiasm for evangelizing and doesn't seem compatable with the teachings or zeal of Paul. But on the other hand Calvinism fits perfect into my observation in the world, i mean you can't force anyone to be a Christian and many that were brought up in Christian families turn away from the church. Calvinism, at least logically anyway, fits perfect for my observations in the world and my own personally experiences in my life. But that would also mean that as far as I'm concerned that only Calvinists will be in heaven so Calvinist are the only true believers.

Has John Calvin ended it all once and for all and told the world that only people who beleive in his 5 points will go to heaven. As i said the world makes perfect sense for me if i looks at it through Calvinism and you can interpret the Bible to fit the Calvin model but it that it, did God create the heavens and earth and man and then Calvinism and that's the end of the story?
 
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andy76

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Nobody? ......
 
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Crossfire

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While Calvinism does make three to four very good points (with some minor modifications), Calvinism, as it is being taught to today, has become little more than a lisence to sin.

Just because we begin our Christian walk as 'sinners saved by grace' doesn't mean that's all God has ordained believers to be throughout our entire Christian experience. Our identity in Christ is to be a royal priesthood, kings and priests, both walking in the divine nature and operating in the divine giftings of the Holy Spirit - forsaking our own will, which is our own selfish desires and ambitions, in favor of doing God's will, which is spreading the good news of Jesus Christ throughout the entire globe. No one can be an effective minister without the presence, guidance and anointing of the Holy Spirit, and no one can abide in the Holy Spirit while being a willing slave to unrighteousness.

However, that doesn't mean that we should outright over look or dismiss Calvinism. Through extensive research and and study, I have found a handful of Calvinistic authors who are absolutely phenominal, one of which I recommend above any and all other Christian authors regardless of their personal belief system. That man is Andrew Murray. If everyone would study his teachings on the Atonement, Humility and Surrender, the Calvinistic / Arminian debate could end tomorrow.
 
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