Sin, What is it really?

[2knowhim]

I see the Bible defining sin as a "Nature"

I know that the Scriptures say, that sin is a transgression of The Law, and also,
What is not of Faith is sin. But what is the motive behind either?

In my understanding there has ever only been two Natures, The nature of the first Adam, and The Nature of The Last Adam.

I believe scripture shows this starting with Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Isaac and Ishmael; it depicts the Nature of the flesh and the Nature of The Spirit.
I also believe that is why it is said by God, that he hated Esau before he was even born, He hated what Esau depicts, which is the nature of the flesh.


Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

And this may go unnoticed by most but when God changes someone’s name in scripture, it suggests also a change of Nature. Name......on'-om-ah
From a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a “name” (literally or figuratively), (authority, character): - called, (+ sur-) name (-d).

Such as Abram to Abra-ha-m, adding the "He" or (hay) is the 5th letter of the Hebrew alphabet and 5 means "Grace" it has been said that God breathed into his nature, Grace, and Abram (High Father) became Abraham which means Father of a Multitude.

Another Example would be of Jacob, to Israel, something always seems to take place just before this happens. Of course in this instance it was all about the Seed that was to come, which is none other than The Son of God.
I see it as a type, or shadow of being born again, into that New Nature, the Divine Nature. Wow, what a pattern, I just noticed, of God giving us Grace to receive The Seed, to become born in the image and likeness of His Divine Nature, bringing forth The Son.

Anyhow, that's my understanding on sin. It is a Nature that only God through Christ can change, I don’t believe man has the ability to do this. Just two more scriptures.

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

I think these last two shows the difference in our nature before and after our change.

Thank you for listening
God Bless

 

[greatblue]

And this may go unnoticed by most but when God changes someone’s name in scripture, it suggests also a change of Nature. Name......on'-om-ah
From a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a “name” (literally or figuratively), (authority, character): - called, (+ sur-) name (-d).

Such as Abram to Abra-ha-m, adding the "He" or (hay) is the 5th letter of the Hebrew alphabet and 5 means "Grace" it has been said that God breathed into his nature, Grace, and Abram (High Father) became Abraham which means Father of a Multitude.

I think these last two shows the difference in our nature before and after our change.

Thank you for listening
God Bless

Very nice. I was just talking with my wife about this yesterday. A few months ago I was deep in prayer and I became aware of the fact that I do not know my name. It is hard to explain, but it was a flash of understanding that made me aware that I have a name, from God, which is currently unknown to me. The more I thought about it after the fact, the more it started to make sense. My earthly name Michael was given to me by my mother and father, but that must hold little value in God's eyes. Scripture says we will inherit new glorified bodies; I agree that it also implies that we have been named by the Father. Now, there is also an unconditional election component here.

I really like the continuation of 1 Corinthians 50-52...
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul is talking of believers. See Roman 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


God's foreknowledge indicates that He" named" us prior to our own births. We should aspire to hold to the new name God has for us in the hope that when we meet Jesus Christ, He will call us by our new names, "good and faithful servant".

 

[Laodicea]

Sin is selfishness. The middle letter of sin is I, the middle letter of pride is I. Look at the 10 commandments there is nothing in there for self, the first 4 are for God the next 6 for our fellow man.

 

[2knowhim]

Very nice. I was just talking with my wife about this yesterday. A few months ago I was deep in prayer and I became aware of the fact that I do not know my name. It is hard to explain, but it was a flash of understanding that made me aware that I have a name, from God, which is currently unknown to me. The more I thought about it after the fact, the more it started to make sense. My earthly name Michael was given to me by my mother and father, but that must hold little value in God's eyes. Scripture says we will inherit new glorified bodies; I agree that it also implies that we have been named by the Father. Now, there is also an unconditional election component here.

I really like the continuation of 1 Corinthians 50-52...
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul is talking of believers. See Roman 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


God's foreknowledge indicates that He" named" us prior to our own births. We should aspire to hold to the new name God has for us in the hope that when we meet Jesus Christ, He will call us by our new names, "good and faithful servant".

Yes, I remember when The Lord revealed this to me to, now I can't help but see what everyone's name is in text, because it describes the "Authority, and Character" of the person in which the story is about.

When Jesus said He came in His Father's Name:
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

I can't help but see when I read now, "I came in my Father's Authority and Character" Nature.

When He says He would give us a New Name, I see ......He will give us a New Nature. Or Authority, and Character.

Whether we know it or not Adam, carried a certain Name, (nature) that passed upon all men.
Christ Also has a Nature that of His Father, which comes to us through The Holy Spirit.

Here again is Two different Natures:

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Blessings

 

[2knowhim]

Here's something else to consider:

Thou shalt not take the Lord thy God's NAME "Nature" in Vain.

 

[greatblue]

Sin is selfishness. The middle letter of sin is I, the middle letter of pride is I. Look at the 10 commandments there is nothing in there for self, the first 4 are for God the next 6 for our fellow man.

Amen. Christ literally explains God's antidote for sin in Matt 16:24 "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."

Sin is disobedience to God and the subsequent separation from God. Christ's call to "follow Me" asks for the obedient denial of self. Because it was "self" that originally separated us from God, it ultimately must be our denial of self, through Christ, that brings us back to Him.

 

[Laodicea]

When we keep the commandments we are not to do it for selfish reasons like thinking we can earn God's favour or for salvation. We are to keep His commandments because we love God.

 

[tribesman]

Sin is the transgression of God's law. Any single part of it. In deed, word or thought. Outwardly or inwardly. A common sin among some false teachers (who are sinning grossly already by the fact that they are teaching false doctrine) is redefining sin in various ways by claiming that at least some sin is not actually sin.

1John.3

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[2knowhim]

Maybe I should redefine my question.

I'm wanting to discuss what is the Root of Sin?

Lao, said selfishness is sin,
tribesman, you say it's to transgress the Law,

But neither one addresses the Root of sin, I listed the scriptures the same as you,
selfishness is no doubt an act that comes out of sin, and so is false doctrine, but those are
the results from sin, Not the Root. Neither of you have said you agree or disagree that sin is a
Nature, why?

Did either of you even read my post? or did you just post what you think I need to hear?
Or maybe you've never even thought about the fact that it is a Nature.

How is a person who is born again, being led of the Spirit of God, remain in Selfishness? when
The Love of God is shed abroad in our Heart?

How does a person who is born again, being led of the Spirit of God transgress the law, when
their not under Law, but Grace? The old man was Crucified with Christ or is this something new
to you both?

I mean how many times does He have to cleanse us From ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS?
All unrighteousness, is All, past, present, and future.

The Law has been put UNDER The MERCY SEAT, MERCY covers The Law NOW, how can we
break the Law, who have died to it in Christ? Do you not know that we Establish the Law?
Do you even know what that means?

You have to REMOVE GOD'S MERCY Seat (Which is Christ) in order to look into the Law now, you must remove the Lid.
And that is to remove Christ, tell me, how do you do that? "Think about the Ark of The Covenant".

PLEASE!

 

[Laodicea]

Maybe I should redefine my question.

I'm wanting to discuss what is the Root of Sin?

Lao, said selfishness is sin,
tribesman, you say it's to transgress the Law,

But neither one addresses the Root of sin, I listed the scriptures the same as you,
selfishness is no doubt an act that comes out of sin, and so is false doctrine, but those are
the results from sin, Not the Root. Neither of you have said you agree or disagree that sin is a
Nature, why?

Did either of you even read my post? or did you just post what you think I need to hear?
Or maybe you've never even thought about the fact that it is a Nature.

How is a person who is born again, being led of the Spirit of God, remain in Selfishness? when
The Love of God is shed abroad in our Heart?

How does a person who is born again, being led of the Spirit of God transgress the law, when
their not under Law, but Grace? The old man was Crucified with Christ or is this something new
to you both?

I mean how many times does He have to cleanse us From ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS?
All unrighteousness, is All, past, present, and future.

The Law has been put UNDER The MERCY SEAT, MERCY covers The Law NOW, how can we
break the Law, who have died to it in Christ? Do you not know that we Establish the Law?
Do you even know what that means?

You have to REMOVE GOD'S MERCY Seat (Which is Christ) in order to look into the Law now, you must remove the Lid.
And that is to remove Christ, tell me, how do you do that? "Think about the Ark of The Covenant".

PLEASE!

Satan was created perfect, lived in a perfect environment, had a perfect nature but, he still sinned, why? That remains a mystery, there is no excuse for sin but, God gives us free choice.

 

[2knowhim]

Satan was created perfect, lived in a perfect environment, had a perfect nature but, he still sinned, why? That remains a mystery, there is no excuse for sin but, God gives us free choice.

I sure would like to know why you think satan was created perfect, and had a perfect nature.

Jesus said He was a liar, and a murderer from the beginning.

 

[tribesman]

2knowhim,

I believe that the view known as original sin is biblical, so for me it is implied that sin is indeed a nature.

As much as you try to spiritualize many scriptures, not least regarding the law, the law has not been abolished or done away with.

I find it odd that you, who are teaching universalism and spiritualism (both false - "missing the mark"), are trying to teach people about these meaty issues.

 

[Israel]

2knowhim,

I believe that the view known as original sin is biblical, so for me it is implied that sin is indeed a nature.

As much as you try to spiritualize many scriptures, not least regarding the law, the law has not been abolished or done away with.

I find it odd that you, who are teaching universalism and spiritualism (both false - "missing the mark"), are trying to teach people about these meaty issues.

Is it the will of the Father that all be saved? If it is then whos will is it when someone says otherwise?

God's gifts are for all, good or bad. The sun shines on us all!

 

[Laodicea]

I sure would like to know why you think satan was created perfect, and had a perfect nature.

Jesus said He was a liar, and a murderer from the beginning.

Have you read the Bible that says he was perfect when he was created? God created everything good, He did not create a devil.

 

[Israel]

Have you read the Bible that says he was perfect when he was created? God created everything good, He did not create a devil.

Do you know what a cherub is?

Of a truth, the bible does not say that satan was created perfect. The LORD said He made the destroyer to destroy! He was indeed a murderer from the beginning, and how could he be anything but? That's what he was made for!

It is also of a truth that EVERYTHING works for the GOOD of those who love God. Satan does nothing without the Almighty as well. We CANNOT serve two masters! It is either God who is in control of it ALL as His word states or are you deceived into believing otherwise? God made Moses AND pharaoh and BOTH did according to His will.

 

[Laodicea]

Do you know what a cherub is?

Of a truth, the bible does not say that satan was created perfect. The LORD said He made the destroyer to destroy! He was indeed a murderer from the beginning, and how could he be anything but? That's what he was made for!

It is also of a truth that EVERYTHING works for the GOOD of those who love God. Satan does nothing without the Almighty as well. We CANNOT serve two masters! It is either God who is in control of it ALL as His word states or are you deceived into believing otherwise? God made Moses AND pharaoh and BOTH did according to His will.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
(13) Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
(14) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
(15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

[Israel]

Ezekiel 28:13-15
(13) Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
(14) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
(15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

This does not say what they are, but WE are the cherubim created perfect not satan.

 

[jandian]

We are the what????

 

[2knowhim]

We are the what????

The Cherubim, They are Gold and of ONE beaten Work with The Mercy Seat,
Which is Christ.

 

[mpaper345]

Sin is anything that is not motivated by love,as defined by God.Anything that is not of love is sin.

The Bible says that the two greatest commandments is love God and love people,and all the law and the prophets hang on those two laws.

The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor;therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Therefore anything that is not love is sin.

1 Corinthians chapter 13 describes what love is,as defined by God,not people's interpretation of love that falls short of true love.

The world can never belong to the kingdom of God because they are incapable of having true love for people,because their arrogance and selfishness will be part of their ways,and exalting themselves above other people,seeing they cannot avoid it,for in the flesh dwells no good thing.

When we come to God we are learning to love God and people,and led by the Spirit we can finally love like we should,to belong to a kingdom that is love.

Sin is anything that is not love.Love does not even think an evil thought.Love will not sin.