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Hi GMG42; sure i'd like to hear your thoughts on this book 
; if you care to hear mine, you can look in my profile under threads started.
If this thread isn't passed over, get ready to be judged because in case you didn't know it, you are no longer christian, according to religious beleifs, you are now a Gnostic
Anyways look forward to hearing your comments, it would be neat to hear from somebody who understands commen-sense
Forever in Christ
; if you care to hear mine, you can look in my profile under threads started.If this thread isn't passed over
, get ready to be judged because in case you didn't know it, you are no longer christian, according to religious beleifs, you are now a Gnostic Anyways look forward to hearing your comments, it would be neat to hear from somebody who understands commen-sense
Forever in Christ
I have a copy of it, and have read it and love it. There's two different prints, one which is the one found with the dead sea scrolls, (that's the one I have a copy of)and a garbage re-write that is nothing like the real one. It's been a couple yrs. since I read it last, and I have to get it out of storage from when we moved last. But I would love to talk about it if you want. I'll let you start. Shalom
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If this thread isn't passed over , get ready to be judged because in case you didn't know it, you are no longer christian, according to religious beleifs, you are now a Gnostic
, get ready to be judged because in case you didn't know it, you are no longer christian, according to religious beleifs, you are now a Gnostic
Also, wanting to discuss it doesn't mean you necessarily subscribe to whatever it teaches. I read Mein Kampf; I'm not a Nazi.
Here is a quote from Jude: "
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. "
I have read the Book of Enoch, and it is not offensive. I read it because Enoch is quoted in the New Testament as having prophesied, and I do pray when I read anything dealing with the Word. He is a prophet. Whether the Book, Enoch, is canonized by some hierarchy made by man does not influence my reading. It is that same group who demonized Galileo, not that I am his avid fan either. When we read and we always take the subject back to the teachings of the Master, we find satisfaction in our edeavor. God bless all of God's Children, His pupils, in Jesus Christ, amen.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. "
I have read the Book of Enoch, and it is not offensive. I read it because Enoch is quoted in the New Testament as having prophesied, and I do pray when I read anything dealing with the Word. He is a prophet. Whether the Book, Enoch, is canonized by some hierarchy made by man does not influence my reading. It is that same group who demonized Galileo, not that I am his avid fan either. When we read and we always take the subject back to the teachings of the Master, we find satisfaction in our edeavor. God bless all of God's Children, His pupils, in Jesus Christ, amen.
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When I saw the book mentioned in Jude I looked it up on the internet, and the version that I found was written in a similar style to Job in so far as referring to storehouses of snow and the likes. Didn't seem to contain much so I dismissed it, but an earlier post said that there are two versions circulating so I don't know which of the two versions I have read. There is salvation for those who seek it within the pages we have so I'm content with the bible without any additional books
Let me STRONGLY emphasize, that this is strictly my opinion. But the copy I read of the real book of Enoch is in no way contrary to the Bible. In fact it even talks about the coming Messiah.
(Here's where my opinion comes in) I personally think when Enoch was in the first canonized Bible, it should have been left in it.
(Here's where my opinion comes in) I personally think when Enoch was in the first canonized Bible, it should have been left in it.
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I take the book of Enoch with a huge grain of salt. When it starts going into detail regarding the conversations between the fallen angels that came in unto the daughters of men, and even the names of these angels, it seems mighty fishy to me.
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1) The book of Enoch does not have conversations between the fallen angels, it has Enoch pleading with YHVH for them to be saved.
2), It gives the names of these angels and stuff, what's so fishy about it? If it was in the actually Bible, you wouldn't question it then would you? Is the angels and their names and their conversations, seem anymore weird than Moses parting the red sea?
(Don't get me wrong I fully believe that moses did that)
I'm just wondering why it is fishy to you. Shalom
I take the book of Enoch with a huge grain of salt. When it starts going into detail regarding the conversations between the fallen angels that came in unto the daughters of men, and even the names of these angels, it seems mighty fishy to me.
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1) The book of Enoch does not have conversations between the fallen angels, it has Enoch pleading with YHVH for them to be saved.
2), It gives the names of these angels and stuff, what's so fishy about it? If it was in the actually Bible, you wouldn't question it then would you? Is the angels and their names and their conversations, seem anymore weird than Moses parting the red sea?
(Don't get me wrong I fully believe that moses did that)
I'm just wondering why it is fishy to you. Shalom
K
Maybe I didnt read the right version then? Because I thought it mentioned some of the stuff the Angels were saying to each other when they were contemplating coming to earth to fornicate with women?
I cant think of any other book in the bible that goes in such detail about the names of celestial beings and the dialogue they have with one another. Sounds like its coming from the writers imagination to me.
Like i said, maybe I didnt read the right copy.....
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And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
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And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
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And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
I cant think of any other book in the bible that goes in such detail about the names of celestial beings and the dialogue they have with one another. Sounds like its coming from the writers imagination to me.
Like i said, maybe I didnt read the right copy.....
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And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
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And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
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And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
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So what language was the original book of Enoch written in? The alphabet was not invented till around 1400 BC. The books of Moses the Bible were probably the first books ever written using the alphabet before that they used picture writing like the Egyptians did.
The book of Enoch continually refers to God as 'Lord of the spirits' the Bible never refers to God in that way.
If Enoch wrote this then it would have been written before the flood, here are some things which don't agree with the Bible
1. Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their orbits, ⌈and⌉ the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order. 2. Behold ye the earth, and give heed to the things which take place upon it from first to last, ⌈how steadfast they are⌉, how ⌈none of the things upon earth⌉ change, ⌈but⌉ all the works of God appear ⌈to you⌉. 3. Behold the summer and the winter, ⌈⌈how the whole earth is filled with water, and clouds and dew and rain lie upon it⌉⌉.
Genesis 8:22
(22) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
The first mention of summer and winter in the Bible is after the flood. When God created the earth it had a water canopy around it so the environment would have been alot different before the flood.
Genesis 1:6-7
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Here is another
1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. '〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'
Genesis 6:13
(13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
The book of Enoch has Uriel speaking to Noah the Bible has God speaking to Noah. There is no mention of a Uriel in the Bible till long after the flood.
Also another point is that Genesis 6 would have happened after Enoch was taken to heaven so how did he write about it.
The book of Enoch continually refers to God as 'Lord of the spirits' the Bible never refers to God in that way.
If Enoch wrote this then it would have been written before the flood, here are some things which don't agree with the Bible
1. Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their orbits, ⌈and⌉ the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order. 2. Behold ye the earth, and give heed to the things which take place upon it from first to last, ⌈how steadfast they are⌉, how ⌈none of the things upon earth⌉ change, ⌈but⌉ all the works of God appear ⌈to you⌉. 3. Behold the summer and the winter, ⌈⌈how the whole earth is filled with water, and clouds and dew and rain lie upon it⌉⌉.
Genesis 8:22
(22) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
The first mention of summer and winter in the Bible is after the flood. When God created the earth it had a water canopy around it so the environment would have been alot different before the flood.
Genesis 1:6-7
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Here is another
1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. '〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'
Genesis 6:13
(13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
The book of Enoch has Uriel speaking to Noah the Bible has God speaking to Noah. There is no mention of a Uriel in the Bible till long after the flood.
Also another point is that Genesis 6 would have happened after Enoch was taken to heaven so how did he write about it.
L
People 450-Feet Tall?
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
Taken from the book of Enoch
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
Taken from the book of Enoch
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I've never read the book of Enoch, but I will not completey dismiss it either. From what you posted I see this.
Numbers 27:15-16
15And Moses spake unto the LORD, saying,
16Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,
God is a Spirit.l
About Uriel.
2 Samuel 24:1
1And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
1 Chronicles 21:1
1And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Even Satan can come as an angel of light. Plus do not forget the angel that spoje with John near the end of Revelation. That angel was so arrayed in the glory of God that even John bowed! And he was just one of our brethren!