Do you think Noah was rapped?

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SurJones

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This expression for sexual union is used throughout the incest prohibitions in Lev 18:1-18, 20:17-21,9 where, for example, we read: "If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people; he has uncovered his sister's nakedness, he shall be subject to punishment." (20:17, NRSV) Notice the parallelism here between "seeing nakedness" and "uncovering nakedness," both inferring "having sex with." Because of a different context, "seeing" and "uncovered" in the Noah story do not prove that Ham had sex with Noah – but they do suggest some possible link between "nakedness" (erwa = genitals) and looking and sex in this story. Wold raises this interesting question also: how could Ham have known that his father was naked when he first entered the tent? Perhaps he only intended to speak to Noah or, if he knew his father had drunk a lot, to see if he needed assistance. No precedents can be found in ancient Near Eastern or Egyptian records showing that for a son simply to see his father naked was such a horrible thing or for placing a curse on someone other than the wrongdoer.10 In the Bible, we do have the incident where Lot's daughters get their father drunk (Gen 19:30-37), on two consecutive nights, so they can expose and manipulate his genitals to impregnate themselves (to get an heir); and no condemnation is passed on this indignity, in Genesis or elsewhere in the OT. Their motive, no doubt considered praiseworthy in ancient times, outweighed the insult done to their father. Further, in the Noah story, Wold holds that the verb asa ("to do, make") in v. 24 "implies physical rather than verbal action" and "is best understood in this concrete way."
 

NoahsDad

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try this.Do a study on Isis....simeramis......nimrod......and Ocyrus........Youll get yo answers through that,
Holla
 

faith4life

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I did some research on this topic and i came up with this.


I did some research on this topic and i came up with this. This isnt my viewpoint, just what i found.

Genesis ch.9 v.20-27)
“And Noah began to be a husbandman, and he planted a vineyard.
And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brethren outside.
And Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were turned away, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
And he said, "Cursed be Canaan! A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."
And he said, "Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.”



Ham (Kam > Kamit) is the biblical ancestor of black people, it is irrefutable judging by the genealogy that is given by the bible; (Genesis ch.10 v.6)
“And the sons of Ham: Cush and Mizraim, and Put and Canaan.”

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faith4life

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sorry guys this isnt working lol Its not showing the enitre post
 
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Angel_Armies

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no he wasn't raped, he was made fun of for being naked in his tent.
 
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SurJones

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The bible actually doesnt say he was mocked. So that like the idea of him being raped is filled in. The bible doesnt say to which, this is just conversation to ponder the possibility that contextual HEBREW can suggest it maybe or may not be the case.
 
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sonofjay817

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I totally came in this thread because I though you were asking "Was Noah rapped", as in like some street-style word battle. You know, like when two rappers throw down and start ragging on each other in verse. I just imagined such an event taking place, and am convinced it would have been amazing.

''You don't think there's a flood, but just wait and see! You're blood's on your hands; now, I'll let you be. Word!"
Hahahahahaha................heehee..(breathe)....HAHAHAHAHAHA. That was funny
 
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Ham had intercourse with his mother - Noah's wife
 
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Slepsog4

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Ugh Mark.... how did you come to that conclusion.

Wasn't it Noah who was lying naked in his tent after getting inebriated?
 
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Let me get back with you by tomorrow and I'll show you the scriptures to look up.
God's Word will always interpret itself, so I'll just show you where to go, let you read it.
You all are God's best

Mark
 
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God bless,

I pray this sharing will be enlightening and answer some questions. It is always our joy and responsibility to study God's Word to know His Will.

PART ONE:
Under consideration is the record in Genesis 9:18-27. This takes place after Noah, his sons, and all their wives had gotten off the ark.
Some points in this section of scripture should immediately catch our attention. In the first place, Ham is twice called the father of Canaan -- without any apparent reason [although God has a reason for everything]. Why does God single out Canaan and say twice that Ham was his father?
Even more puzzling is Noah's action after he "awoke from his wine." Noah cursed Canaan, Ham's son, instead of Ham ! What had Ham done?

As a note, when I am doing any research, I always use the King James Version. I am not going to type out all the scriptures, but I will note the specific ones you should study. If you are using a different kind of Bible, you should still see the same truths, although some versions get really off base.

So what did Ham do? A study of the word "nakedness," gives us a clue to what actually happened in verse 22. The Hebrew word translated "nakedness" in this verse is ervah.
The New Brown, Driver, and Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament contains a definition of nakedness that indicates what Ham did. It defines ervah as, "nakedness, pudenda [the external genital organs of either sex], and notes "chiefly [a] euphemism for cohabitation."
Now I want you to read Leviticus 18:6-18; and Leviticus 20:11, 17-21.

From reading all of the above verses, it is easy to see that the definition of nakedness given by the Brown, Driver, and Briggs Hebrew Lexicon was correct.
The context clearly shows that the phrase "uncover the nakedness" is an idiomatic expression for sexual intercourse.
Be careful now.........this is Not to say that Ham had a homosexual relationship with Noah. A CAREFUL reading of the above verses from Leviticus shows that this could NOT have been the case. The Word of God makes it quite plain that if one "uncovers the nakedness" of a man's wife, he is said to "uncover the nakedness" of the man himself. Note this truth in these verses........Leviticus 18:8 and 16. Leviticus 20:11, 20 and 21.
The meaning of "uncover the nakedness" is now even more clear. If the scripture says that a man uncovered the nakedness of another man, it means that man had sexual intercourse with the other man's wife.
Wait.........stop.........Genesis 9:22 says that Ham "saw" the nakedness of his father, not that he "uncovered" the nakedness of his father. So now we have to ask the question........ARE THESE TWO PHRASES EQUIVALENT?
We have to go to God's Word for the answer, and the answer from God's Word is yes.
Leviticus 20:17 clearly shows that the two phrases are parallel.
The action Ham took is now clear. Noah was drunk and not able to stop Ham, who had sexual intercourse with his mother, Noah's wife, and then went out and told his brothers. Ham's brothers went into the tent and covered their mother.

I am going to do a Part Two to this and cover the "curse" of Canaan.

You all are God's best.
Mark
 
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Slepsog4

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Mark,

I kinda thought this was where you were going to go. While it is interesting, it is not compelling. The Levitical use of the phrase is extensively explained because it is showing that the act of uncovering one is tantamount to uncovering the other. For the figure to be possible the real must also be true.

Ham's descendants not only include Canaan but they settled the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 9:19). If you remember your OT history you know what happened to these and why.
 
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Mel

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God bless,

*INSERTS MARKS TEXTS HERE*

You all are God's best.
Mark
Wow, very well researched and said sir, I look forward to part two.

I must say this brings some new light to things.
 
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Baptistrw

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I think his son just made fun of him.
 
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