revalations 22 18-19, scared need help plz

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MahogonySnail said:
Thaddeus are you telling me that 1 of Jesus's 12 disciples who followed him, had the Spirit, preached the Gospel, cast out devils, healed the sick, was an unsaved person?
Strange doctrine indeed.

That is contradictary, whoever followed Christ, including Judas, was saved as long as they followed him. Judas obviously believed in him for a time.
It was only after he turned back, that he lost what he had.
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show me from scripture where that as long as we follow Jesus we are saved that is a false statement let show you then then what you are saying is that after all those years of following Christ Jesus told His disciple that they were lost and not save by your theory of following Jesus means that we are saved watch this. explain if you can
THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SNAIL " jesus told his disciple if you follow me ye will be saved then right before Jesus was to go to the Father He said oops ye can't follow me no more Joh 13:33Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
so now ye are on your own and must find your own way into heaven for ye can not follow me where I go now. thus according to Snail ye are no longer saved cause ye can't go where I go!

yeah the certain rich man was told to take up the cross and follow Jesus, but this was the test( see God won't tempt us but He will test us ) this was the test to see how serious this rich man was about serving God, and Jesus being God knew what he would do before he told him to go sell everything
 
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Then pastor Keith you must believe Judas was always the devil following Jesus around. How can this be, if Judas was always a devil Jesus would have cast him out. But scripture tells me that the devil entered Judas only at a specific point in time:

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.
 
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Are you trying to tell me that Judas followed Christ for all of Christ's life and went through everything the other disciples did, just to betray him, but was really an unbeliever? that doesn't make sense. If anyone didn't believe in Christ, they stopped following him, like those who turned back after Christ said they must eat his flesh. Your arguments are illogical.

If anything, the case of Judas following Christ, then turning away, eventually betraying him, supports my view better than yours. That those who do follow Christ and are named Christians, and disciples, as Judas was, may fall away (Heb 6:6). Your beliefs say, that a person can never fall away. That is not in scripture I'm afraid, or the case with Judas.

But let's see if you can adequately answer my question re: the warning in revelation. You can't because you dont take the warning seriously, you think if a Christian tampers with Revelation, they'll only lose rewards but still be saved. Despite having their name removed from the book of life. So whilst I don't believe it applies to the whole bible, at least I believe literally in what the warning actually says and means, unlike you.
 
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