Jesus knew of CERTAIN men. Can the parables be untrue IF Jesus modifer was 'certain'?

[GreenNnice]

Is it certain to anyone else that Jesus would not have used the word 'certain' unless He was telling a true story or true parable that was of a TRUE , KNOWN man who really existed ?

Luke 16: 19-31 seems a great example to PROOF the story true, established REAL people, like Abraham:

JESUS , FOR CERTAIN, KNEW LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN .


And, JESUS, FOR CERTAIN, KNEW THE CERTAIN GOOD STEWARD MAN. JESUS, FOR CERTAIN, KNEW.....

THE list goes on an on certainly, a lot of 'certain man' Jesus' stories.

He said this 'certain' word a whole lot in the books of the gospel, matt., mark., Luke, john.


Wow! The Lord leads. I guess, this is what I will do next. Of this, I am certain unless I am stopped . Certain. I wonder why no one else sees this, but Jesus could easily say....

' Once there was a man' or 'There was a man' either of which explain fairytaleness, for no lack of a better word, LOL But, THAT is NOT how Jesus says the words, Christ sibs, is it.

Jesus uses the word 'certain' in there which is such a word of sure power, not to mention, sheer power.

'Certain' defined so MAKES a parable or story true ! Doesn't it, am I all alone on this . How did I get so alone. Alone . My, sounds, like I am singing a certain rock sing from 80s by a great couple Seattle girls.

So , certainly, I am not a bad animal for rocking out in epiphony as this dies off uncertainty of Jesus' many 'certain' scriptures in the gospels.

The definition of this intriguing ADJECTIVE , can I get away with saying this is a 'JESUS' word, profound to me, really, this definition of 'certain':

Certain: Known for sure, Established beyond doubt .

Friends, Romans, and countrymen , listen to this please: Jesus, IF the 'certain' word is believed to be Jesus' way to prove 'certain' stories are true then what does this Truth do to any argument that involves the word 'certain' said by Jesus ?

 

[ob77]

The parable of the wheat and the tares are true, for He explained it to the disciples afterward. If the word certain is contained in the parable, I do not know , lest I look carefully again, but what He said is true no matter if He used the word "certain" or not.

 

[Allin]

That's a good thought. Some of Jesus' parables may have been from actual events, but the essence of a parable is allusion, alluding to some thing in order to make a point. My favorite parable is the one about the good Samaritan. I don't think that actually happened, but that kind of thing was possible, and the parables He told were about things that did happen, like the parable of the wheat and the enemy who sowed the tares. What actually made and makes Jesus' parables so arresting wasn't/isn't that they actually happened but that they were/are meant to stimulate the imagination and make people think. It's kind of like fairy tales you tell your kids; they make more of an impact than true stories because unlike true stories, you can tweak a made up story however you want and tailor it for each specific audience. Consider the parables about the end of time and the sheep and goats, the wise and foolish virgins, the king who gave a feast and invited his subjects to come. We're all little children to Him, and we relate well to stories both true and made up specifically for us.

Teachers used parables before and after Jesus in order to create the same effect. I imagine that as the best story teller, Jesus would have the best parables, actual events and made up events. The word 'certain' is more for effect than to necessarily say the events actually happened. If you start a story, "I knew a guy who...", you might have an uninterested audience; but if you begin, "A certain man..." or "There was a certain man...", the effect is that much greater, and you'll actually have more attention as well as the story will settle deeper into your audience because, not knowing if it's actual or not, they'll be much more inclined to think about and mull over it which was Jesus' intention. He was and is a master communicator, and communication is much more than words relating actual, factual truths. I'd say that most Christians are pretty sure there are no literal ritzy houses inside an even bigger house in Heaven; but Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many mansions." Adults no longer linger and ponder on that passage; but kids still do... and being like kids in that sense is how we come to know God on a deeper level (therefore parables, stories, and mysterious sayings); i.e. parables and mysterious sayings help us to enter the Kingdom (the Kingdom is simply God's way of thinking and speaking and doing things), and in checking them out, we go from being little children, who're naturally curious and want to learn, to being kings (mature sons and daughters) who naturally want to conquer or 'achieve/complete': "It is the glory of God (it's God's nature) to conceal a matter; but the honor of kings (the nature of kings) to search it out (accomplish, conquer)" (Pro. 25:2). So, whether certain parables were certain or not, one certain thing about them is certain: Jesus told parables so people could wonder about them or seek out their meaning (like little children) and then hopefully KEEP seeking until they found their meaning or accomplished (like kings or mature Christians).

 

[crossnote]

GREENIE!!
It seems that in 'certain' cases including your example 'certain' means 'particular'.

 

[mwFerguson_MTh]

Is it certain to anyone else that Jesus would not have used the word 'certain' unless He was telling a true story or true parable ...? [Jesus didn't use the Greek word for "certain," a word seen in many English Bible versions at Luke 16:19-20.]

Luke 16: 19-31 seems a great example ....[True; i.e., an example of a likely unintentional interpolation (insertion of a word) by some Greek-to-English translators at Luke 16:19-20.]
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Jesus uses the word 'certain' in there ....[False; e.g., the Greek words at the beginning of Luke 16:19 in 2 early mss readΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΣΔΕΤΙΣΗΝΠΛΟΥΣΙΟΣ (ανθρωπος δε τις ην πλουσιος, or moreover some man was wealthy). Here, and in 16:20, the Greek indef. masc. sing. pronoun ΤΙΣ (τις) is more accurately rendered as some one or some person.]

'Certain' defined so MAKES a parable or story true ! Doesn't it[?] [Not necessarily, but I'll agree the English adj. certain can certainly enhance any truthfulness that might be seen or heard in the stories told by Jesus to convey his religious message.]

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