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No.
Their theology is built on the heresies that Augustine introduced into orthodoxy. Catholicism is not much different to Protestantism. Luther and the reformers just reformed Catholicism instead of going back to the roots of the early church.
Such a consideration is too big a pill to swallow for most and thus very few will dig into church history or even read their Bibles without the theological filter that have adopted from listening to and reading a multitude of false teachers.
Preaching the Lie
Preaching the Lie
Their theology is built on the heresies that Augustine introduced into orthodoxy. Catholicism is not much different to Protestantism. Luther and the reformers just reformed Catholicism instead of going back to the roots of the early church.
Such a consideration is too big a pill to swallow for most and thus very few will dig into church history or even read their Bibles without the theological filter that have adopted from listening to and reading a multitude of false teachers.
Preaching the Lie
Preaching the Lie
The Catholic Church can be proved wrong by this one verse.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It is the verse they use to support their whole papal system. They claim that the rock Jesus is speaking of is Peter because Peter means rock.
Yet the Greek word for Peter is...
Peter - Petros - G4074
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
And the Greek word used for rock is...
Rock- Petra - G4073
Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.
Petra is also used in these passages.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Thus what we have today is an underlying error which lead to a whole system of error and that system of error calls itself the Catholic Church.
Realise that the Protestant churches are no better and their false doctrines collapse like a house of cards when examined in the light of Scripture just like the Catholics.
Dig deep and don't be deceived.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It is the verse they use to support their whole papal system. They claim that the rock Jesus is speaking of is Peter because Peter means rock.
Yet the Greek word for Peter is...
Peter - Petros - G4074
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
And the Greek word used for rock is...
Rock- Petra - G4073
Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.
Petra is also used in these passages.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Thus what we have today is an underlying error which lead to a whole system of error and that system of error calls itself the Catholic Church.
Realise that the Protestant churches are no better and their false doctrines collapse like a house of cards when examined in the light of Scripture just like the Catholics.
Dig deep and don't be deceived.
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i wrote this in another thread, but it belongs in here as well...
Romans Catholicism is not Christianity. Roman Catholicism may claim to be Christianity, but it masks itself with many other doctrines and beliefs as well, such as praying to the dead and for the dead, penance, indulgences, buying your way out of purgatory, purgatory itself, the infallibility of the Pope, claiming the Bible is a dead language (i kid you not, read about the decisions of the 1st Council of Trent), transubstantiation, immaculate conception, assumption of Mary, importance of the Rosary, importance of relics and artifacts, not to mention works based salvation...
to top it all of, they've even made up their own version of the Ten Commandments... look up the Biblical Ten Commandments verses the Roman Catholic Ten Commandments. what you may see is quite disturbing, and eye-opening.
the Word of God says "even a little leaven leavens the whole lump"... the smallest man-made doctrine can lead a person way off into a false religion... originally, it started with Rome making Christianity as the national religion of it's time, and giving the Arch Bishops national power... after all, the Bible does say "the lust for money is the root of all evil"...
so, is Roman Catholicism a viable part of Christianity? absolutely not. it re-writes, distorts, twists, and degrades the Word into a works based gospel with people "buying their way" out of hell, and letting them think praying to the pope or Mary is going to keep them saved. When i worked at my church, i had a man come up to me with a heavy heart, and needed desperate counseling about his state of salvation and of his brother. He grew up in a Catholic home, but was struggling with his faith. I remember him telling me how a good friend of his died, and how he said while his friend was not perfect, he always went to his Catholic church, and left a rose on the ground in front of a statue of Mary. when he died, his church told him that when he stood before Jesus, He said "no", but Mary came over to Jesus, and told Him "this man brought me flowers ever day of his believing life", and on the basis of the flowers- and not faith- he would enter heaven.
this is what Catholic churches teach today, and I'm supposed to believe that as a born-again believer, im supposed to say "it's okay to let people believe this"?
*facepalm*
Romans Catholicism is not Christianity. Roman Catholicism may claim to be Christianity, but it masks itself with many other doctrines and beliefs as well, such as praying to the dead and for the dead, penance, indulgences, buying your way out of purgatory, purgatory itself, the infallibility of the Pope, claiming the Bible is a dead language (i kid you not, read about the decisions of the 1st Council of Trent), transubstantiation, immaculate conception, assumption of Mary, importance of the Rosary, importance of relics and artifacts, not to mention works based salvation...
to top it all of, they've even made up their own version of the Ten Commandments... look up the Biblical Ten Commandments verses the Roman Catholic Ten Commandments. what you may see is quite disturbing, and eye-opening.
the Word of God says "even a little leaven leavens the whole lump"... the smallest man-made doctrine can lead a person way off into a false religion... originally, it started with Rome making Christianity as the national religion of it's time, and giving the Arch Bishops national power... after all, the Bible does say "the lust for money is the root of all evil"...
so, is Roman Catholicism a viable part of Christianity? absolutely not. it re-writes, distorts, twists, and degrades the Word into a works based gospel with people "buying their way" out of hell, and letting them think praying to the pope or Mary is going to keep them saved. When i worked at my church, i had a man come up to me with a heavy heart, and needed desperate counseling about his state of salvation and of his brother. He grew up in a Catholic home, but was struggling with his faith. I remember him telling me how a good friend of his died, and how he said while his friend was not perfect, he always went to his Catholic church, and left a rose on the ground in front of a statue of Mary. when he died, his church told him that when he stood before Jesus, He said "no", but Mary came over to Jesus, and told Him "this man brought me flowers ever day of his believing life", and on the basis of the flowers- and not faith- he would enter heaven.
this is what Catholic churches teach today, and I'm supposed to believe that as a born-again believer, im supposed to say "it's okay to let people believe this"?
*facepalm*
This is not for us to judge, for who are we to speak to the heart.
Wether catholic, or any other denomination, one can only speak to the docturines, not the persons.
But I have know many strong christians wether catholic, nondenominational or any that calls upon Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
For this is the test, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
God bless
pickles
Wether catholic, or any other denomination, one can only speak to the docturines, not the persons.
But I have know many strong christians wether catholic, nondenominational or any that calls upon Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
For this is the test, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
God bless
pickles
So true. 
May we always be careful that we do not condemn ourselves with our own words.
We are called to judge the acts, not the persons.
I learned this lesson the hard way, I thank God Our Father for His loving chastisement!
For our battles are against the powers and principalities of evil!
Judgement is mine alone says the Lord!
God bless
pickles
May we always be careful that we do not condemn ourselves with our own words.
We are called to judge the acts, not the persons.
I learned this lesson the hard way, I thank God Our Father for His loving chastisement!
For our battles are against the powers and principalities of evil!
Judgement is mine alone says the Lord!
God bless
pickles
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I think some could be if they follow all the commands of our Lord, and take heed to all the warnings/directions given to us by His followers.
They are about as valid as any Christian who claims to be a follower of our Lord. In the end only God can say, but it is not hard to discern and get a slight idea from what one does and says. By their fruits you will know them.
Some are just catholic in name, just as some are just Christian in name
They are about as valid as any Christian who claims to be a follower of our Lord. In the end only God can say, but it is not hard to discern and get a slight idea from what one does and says. By their fruits you will know them.
Some are just catholic in name, just as some are just Christian in name
I agree, but the question is, do we look to the person, or the church docturine.
I have seen and known many catholics that are true christians, that have remained in the catholic church to witness to the truth.
Some who Jesus has brought to compleation through their faith.
And some who were ?, because of their judgements and rotten fruits.
To place judgement upon the whole, is to set ones self above others, when in Jesus we are called to be always humble, setting others above ones self.
Jesus said, I do not come to condemn the world, but to save it.
We are called to this in witness and truth.
Yes, there are teachings in the catholic church that are not scriptural, but this is in many churches as well.
If you were to hear a witness, what words would be listened to.
Those that condemned you and called you a heritic.
Or the word s of Jesus and the scriptures, spoken in the love of Jesus.
And yes there are times to be firm in truth, but this is why we look always in prayer and word to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
So we do not act in flesh, but in Jesus, speaking truth given iby His word set upon us.
For it is Jesus who brings all work to compleation in us!
And His presance, that brings His glory in witness.
For fruits are seen by both the saved, and the unsaved.
It is the unsaved, that trully need the witness of much fruit.
God bless
pickles
I have seen and known many catholics that are true christians, that have remained in the catholic church to witness to the truth.
Some who Jesus has brought to compleation through their faith.
And some who were ?, because of their judgements and rotten fruits.
To place judgement upon the whole, is to set ones self above others, when in Jesus we are called to be always humble, setting others above ones self.
Jesus said, I do not come to condemn the world, but to save it.
We are called to this in witness and truth.
Yes, there are teachings in the catholic church that are not scriptural, but this is in many churches as well.
If you were to hear a witness, what words would be listened to.
Those that condemned you and called you a heritic.
Or the word s of Jesus and the scriptures, spoken in the love of Jesus.
And yes there are times to be firm in truth, but this is why we look always in prayer and word to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
So we do not act in flesh, but in Jesus, speaking truth given iby His word set upon us.
For it is Jesus who brings all work to compleation in us!
And His presance, that brings His glory in witness.
For fruits are seen by both the saved, and the unsaved.
It is the unsaved, that trully need the witness of much fruit.
God bless
pickles
Not every catholic is a christian. And just because a person believes in the bible that doesn't mean they are christians either. Christianity is based on the relationship you have with Jesus, and it does not involve Abraham, Peter, nor Moses. Just you and God. I have a few friends who are Catholic and are Christians, I know coz they have personal relationships with Jesus. God bless
Problem is, Our Lord wasn't speaking Greek at the time. He was speaking Aramaic. Thus the original spoken words by Our Lord would be "You are Kepha (Aramaic for Rock) and on this kepha I will build my Church." We see Peter referred to as Cephas (an alternative spelling) by St. Paul.
That said, even if the original sentence was in Greek, we can still confidently say that Peter was the Rock Our Lord referred to. Unlike in English, in Greek there are masculine and feminine words. Petra is a feminine word, but since Peter is a guy, the translator used the masculine form in the sentence to be grammatically correct. Thus you have "You are Petros (Male form of "rock" since Peter is a guy) and on this petra (the normal word for rock which happens to be feminine) I will build my Church." The difference noted between Petra/Petros in the post above wasn't present in the Koine Greek dialect of the time of the gospels, it's only found in the older Attic Greek dialect (think Homer). The Koine Greek has a word for small stone, "Lithos". But as you can see, the gospels don't say, "You are Petros and on this lithos...."
So... there's that.
That said, even if the original sentence was in Greek, we can still confidently say that Peter was the Rock Our Lord referred to. Unlike in English, in Greek there are masculine and feminine words. Petra is a feminine word, but since Peter is a guy, the translator used the masculine form in the sentence to be grammatically correct. Thus you have "You are Petros (Male form of "rock" since Peter is a guy) and on this petra (the normal word for rock which happens to be feminine) I will build my Church." The difference noted between Petra/Petros in the post above wasn't present in the Koine Greek dialect of the time of the gospels, it's only found in the older Attic Greek dialect (think Homer). The Koine Greek has a word for small stone, "Lithos". But as you can see, the gospels don't say, "You are Petros and on this lithos...."
So... there's that.
You realize that you're making up a strawman version of the Catholic Church right?
That said, I'll just point out that there are two traditional numbering methods for the 14 imperative statements in the 10 commandments. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command.
Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11).
When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier.
The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities" (CCC 2066).
That said, I'll just point out that there are two traditional numbering methods for the 14 imperative statements in the 10 commandments. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives "You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command.
Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11).
When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier.
The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities" (CCC 2066).
Anyone today may call himself a Christian, but few are they who listen to Jesus Christ and follow His teachings. Most religious people today tend to follow the favorite teachings of the moment on christianity, having itching ears they have teachers who teach what they want to hear.
If anyone hears Jesus, and believes Him, and adheres to His teachings then that person is a follower of Christ.
The pope is not Jesus Christ's representative on earth, and no pope has ever been infallible. To say anyone other than our Lord, Yeshua, is infallible is of satan.
If anyone hears Jesus, and believes Him, and adheres to His teachings then that person is a follower of Christ.
The pope is not Jesus Christ's representative on earth, and no pope has ever been infallible. To say anyone other than our Lord, Yeshua, is infallible is of satan.
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Going to correct a couple of things. First buying your way out of Purgatory with indulgences has never been Church teaching. Second, it's not works based salvation we simply recognize that works play a role in our salvation. Also I would like to see these decisions of the Council of Trent.
There is no such thing as a "Biblical" numbering of the Ten Commandments as the text itself does not tell us how they are to be divided to come up with ten. We simply number them differently than Protestants do, just like the Jews number them differently than you do.
The Catholic Church gave you the Bible, it gave you the theological foundation you use for your Faith to this very day, it defended Europe from the Muslims (via the Crusades) and brought Christianity to your ancestors. I'd say you owe it quite a bit.
There is no such thing as a "Biblical" numbering of the Ten Commandments as the text itself does not tell us how they are to be divided to come up with ten. We simply number them differently than Protestants do, just like the Jews number them differently than you do.
The Catholic Church gave you the Bible, it gave you the theological foundation you use for your Faith to this very day, it defended Europe from the Muslims (via the Crusades) and brought Christianity to your ancestors. I'd say you owe it quite a bit.