Is grace a license to sin?

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hislastwalk

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First off, you don't need a license to sin. People sin without a license all the time :p

"IS GRACE A LICENSE TO SIN? The power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Apart from law, sin is dead (Rom 7:8). Sin will not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace (Rom 6:14). Real freedom from sin can *only* happen apart from law, under grace. It is impossible for a person to sin less under law. It is equally impossible for a person to sin more under grace (as compared with law). The entire realm of law breeds sin, whether we realize it or not. The trouble with us is the way that we think we can label and measure sin, polishing.ourselves, but we tend to forget about pride.and self righteousness. The only solution is God's grace, which both forgives and equips us to live uprightly."

-Andrew Farley
 
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Crossfire

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First off, you don't need a license to sin. People sin without a license all the time :p

"IS GRACE A LICENSE TO SIN? The power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Apart from law, sin is dead (Rom 7:8). Sin will not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace (Rom 6:14). Real freedom from sin can *only* happen apart from law, under grace. It is impossible for a person to sin less under law. It is equally impossible for a person to sin more under grace (as compared with law). The entire realm of law breeds sin, whether we realize it or not. The trouble with us is the way that we think we can label and measure sin, polishing.ourselves, but we tend to forget about pride.and self righteousness. The only solution is God's grace, which both forgives and equips us to live uprightly."

-Andrew Farley

*shaking head*

If you are insinuating that is impossible for a believer to sin because God somehow ignores sin after salvation then you are sadly mistaken.

You talk about God's grace yet you fail to recognize the source of that grace in the life of a New Testament believer. While Jesus did give his life that we might have access to such grace through right fellowship with the living God, whether you want to believe it or not, the source of that grace is the Spirit of the Living God Himself (Holy Spirit).

Paul states in Ephesians 4: 29-31 that it is entirely possible to grieve the Spirit of God by your sins:


" Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice."

Can you not see the error in the doctrine that you are trying to promote? Have you ever actually read the New Testament all of the way through? You really need to stop reading and listening to men, place all denominational assumptions aside and just read the bible for what it says.

If you're going to preach then preach the word of God and not the traditions of sinful men!
 
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hislastwalk

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*shaking head*

If you are insinuating that is impossible for a believer to sin because God somehow ignores sin after salvation then you are sadly mistaken.

You talk about God's grace yet you fail to recognize the source of that grace in the life of a New Testament believer. While Jesus did give his life that we might have access to such grace through right fellowship with the living God, whether you want to believe it or not, the source of that grace is the Spirit of the Living God Himself (Holy Spirit).

Paul states in Ephesians 4: 29-31 that it is entirely possible to grieve the Spirit of God by your sins:


" Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice."

Can you not see the error in the doctrine that you are trying to promote? Have you ever actually read the New Testament all of the way through? You really need to stop reading and listening to men, place all denominational assumptions aside and just read the bible for what it says.

If you're going to preach then preach the word of God and not the traditions of sinful men!
Read it again, because that's not what I'm saying.
 
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hislastwalk

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Yes. I actually read the NT probably about 8 x's so far.
 
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hislastwalk

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There's a difference between committing a sin, & living a life of sin.
 
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Crossfire

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Read it again, because that's not what I'm saying.
Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but that's exactly what it looks like and I'm sure there are others who will agree with me in that assumption. Maybe you need to refine / reword your beliefs in order to define them more clearly because right now, it's sounds a lot like Antinomianism.
 
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hislastwalk

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Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but that's exactly what it looks like and I'm sure there are others who will agree with me in that assumption. Maybe you need to refine / reword your beliefs in order to define them more clearly because right now, it's sounds a lot like Antinomianism.
Grace is not license to sin but it is the power to walk in holiness or righteousness.. I know we'll sin, b/c we're human. But grace empowers us to overcome.
 
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Grace is not license to sin but it is the power to walk in holiness or righteousness.. I know we'll sin, b/c we're human. But grace empowers us to overcome.
so do those that continue with the same life, and sin after being saved by grace even have grace to begin with?

as an example because i am just trying to understand peoples understanding/view of it (not to fight over it or say you believe this or that)

if a racist claims to be saved by grace and believes in our Lord Jesus then draggs a guy behind a truck is his sin covered?
 
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hislastwalk

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so do those that continue with the same life, and sin after being saved by grace even have grace to begin with?

as an example because i am just trying to understand peoples understanding/view of it (not to fight over it or say you believe this or that)

if a racist claims to be saved by grace and believes in our Lord Jesus then draggs a guy behind a truck is his sin covered?
We fall out of grace by trusting our flesh, if that makes sense.
 
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Lamby

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so do those that continue with the same life, and sin after being saved by grace even have grace to begin with?

as an example because i am just trying to understand peoples understanding/view of it (not to fight over it or say you believe this or that)

if a racist claims to be saved by grace and believes in our Lord Jesus then draggs a guy behind a truck is his sin covered?
Just a thought...

If your mum/dad asked you not to do something, and you purposely went and did it- are you still their child? Yes!

Aside from that, do you think it would affect your relationship with them? I think it probably would. I dare say you'd have to apologize too.

"If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!" Mark 7:11

God is rather more perfect than our earthly parents =)

I know this doesn't directly relate to grace, but it seems appropriate to the question.

As another side note, I don't say any of this suggesting that it's alright to sin, by accident or on purpose. I'd be the first person to say that I've blown it, and I'm very grateful that salvation relies on Jesus' actions, not mine!
 
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mmlj29

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We all mess up and sin from time to time, but we are not supposed to continue in a sinful life style. What is a sinful life style? A life that is dominated by sin. A life were you walk after the flesh instead of the spirit, and you become a slave to sin.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1Jn 3:5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

But also remember....

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
 
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*shaking head*

If you are insinuating that is impossible for a believer to sin because God somehow ignores sin after salvation then you are sadly mistaken.

You talk about God's grace yet you fail to recognize the source of that grace in the life of a New Testament believer. While Jesus did give his life that we might have access to such grace through right fellowship with the living God, whether you want to believe it or not, the source of that grace is the Spirit of the Living God Himself (Holy Spirit).

Paul states in Ephesians 4: 29-31 that it is entirely possible to grieve the Spirit of God by your sins:

" Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice."

Can you not see the error in the doctrine that you are trying to promote? Have you ever actually read the New Testament all of the way through? You really need to stop reading and listening to men, place all denominational assumptions aside and just read the bible for what it says.

If you're going to preach then preach the word of God and not the traditions of sinful men!
Would it be the same for others to read and listen to what you have to say about the scriptures, would they be subjecting themselves to the traditions of a sinful man? God has provided gifts to the church who are called by God through grace to preach and teach the word and doctrine. Surely, you are not speaking of those that God has raised up for the church, are you? How do we recognize those that God has raised up and given to church for this purpose? Do we lean toward those that favor how we believe and the doctrine we adhere to? Do we recognize God's call upon their life because of a fellowship of grace or do we not recognize any of them and just do it our own way as an independent believer? Are you of the persuasion that they are all false teachers and out for personal gain and can't be trusted. If you are, then you have no understanding in the grace of God as to how our Lord Jesus Christ builds His church. Does it appall you to even consider that God would require us to put ourselves under a pastor-teacher that He has called so that we can hear and be taught the word and through receiving that engrafted word in meekness be able to receive grace?
 

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First off, you don't need a license to sin. People sin without a license all the time :p

"IS GRACE A LICENSE TO SIN? The power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Apart from law, sin is dead (Rom 7:8). Sin will not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace (Rom 6:14). Real freedom from sin can *only* happen apart from law, under grace. It is impossible for a person to sin less under law. It is equally impossible for a person to sin more under grace (as compared with law). The entire realm of law breeds sin, whether we realize it or not. The trouble with us is the way that we think we can label and measure sin, polishing.ourselves, but we tend to forget about pride.and self righteousness. The only solution is God's grace, which both forgives and equips us to live uprightly."

-Andrew Farley

Amen!
What we behold is what we are changing into. It stands to reason if you are stuck on everyone sinning then you are beholding sin. But if you Look towards the Lord and seek His Face you will behold forgiveness and Love. You will then know how to forgive and Love others because the Lord has shown you.

Don't concentrate on all the "thou shalt nots". Concentrate on Gods Love towards You.

When the Father spoke from Heaven after the Lord was baptized He said "this is my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". When satan tempted the Lord he said "if you are the son of God". Satan left out the word Beloved. He doesn't want you concentrating or focusing on the Fact that you are beloved as He is Beloved. Therefore that is exactly what you need to concentrate and focus on, God's Love to You.
 
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jimsun

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I'm finding this really difficult to answer & reconcile but, strangely, I'm enjoying my predicament. So thank you for a really useful & thought-provoking post.

I can only, for now, suggest that my faith, grace and sins are a matter between My God and myself. I always refer to my Higher Power as being "My God" as I'm aware that we all share different preceptions & understandings of who that is.

But, as I speak to, argue with & listen to My God every day & often in some strange situations/ locations/ airport chapels/ etc., depending on where work has taken me, I'll have to wait a while, I guess, before "reporting" back with my answer!

Take Care; J+
 
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Here Paul speaks about crucifying our old man with Christ and that through doing this we are set free from sin.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Here Paul tells us how to walk. We are not to yield our bodies to sin. To whom we yield is a choice.

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Those who yield to sin are servants to sin. Anyone who still yields their members to sin are still in bondage to sin, which means they have not been set free.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Jesus confirmed this when He said...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Commit in the Greek is "poieō" and it means "produce" or "to do" and is a reference to a willful act.

Jesus went on to say...

Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

We are set free by the Son in the baptism of repentance when we crucify our old man with Christ. THis is exactly what Paul said in Romans 6:6-7.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

This occurs because we obey from the heart the doctrine of Christ.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Jesus taught that what we "do" is a reflection of who our father is. This is because we are slaves of whom we obey.

Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John who was taught by Jesus understood this and that is why he taught the same thing...

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Anyone who is willfully transgressing is of the devil. That is what Jesus taught, that is what Paul taught and that is what John taught. Many will try and twist these scriptures because they do not like what they say because they expose them for what they are. The Pharisees in Jesus day became so angry with Jesus that they sought to kill Him.

John went on to say his epistle...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those who are born of God produce righteousness in their life they do not produce sin. This is because a good tree bears good fruit and a bad tree bears bad fruit.

The false teachers will twist these statements and imply that a good tree can produce good and bad fruit. They thus have light and darkness mixing and teach that you can serve two masters. The converts they produce are double minded converts.

They will never use scriptures like the following...

1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

In this scripture Peter is teaching that if we suffer with Christ, armed with the same mind that we cease from sin. Cease in the Greek is "pauō " and it means "to stop."

When the old man is crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6) in the baptism of repentance the sinner has come to a change of mind whereby they have come down off their own thrown and they have made the choice to yield to God.

This is why Paul would write...

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

It is the affections and lusts which have been crucified. They are choosing not to "yield" to them unto unrighteousness. This is exactly what Paul wrote in Rom 6:13.

Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

James elaborated on how sin works when he wrote...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Sin is when we yield to the passions and desires of the flesh in disobedience to God. Those who are in Christ have crucified those passions and desires.

This is why John would write...

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Those who are born of God "keep" themselves. Keep in the Greek is "tēreō" and it means to "to guard, withhold, to prevent from escaping." A person who is born of God constantly guards themselves against sin.

This is how Paul explained it...

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1Co 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

There is always a way to escape temptation and those who are of God take that way. They deny themselves just as Jesus taught...

Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

True Christian's deny themselves and follow Jesus. They do not yield to the lusts of the flesh and sin.

It is all very simple. A very simple doctrine. It is the doctrine according to godliness.

Look at these scriptures...

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

A true Christian yields to the Spirit and not to the flesh. In doing this they fulfill the righteous requirements of the law through faith, they uphold the law in their heart (Rom 3:31). It is in this way that their righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees because the root is pure (1Pet1:21, Joh 15:3, Act 15:9).

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Those that are carnal minded walk like beasts. They are driven by the lusts of their flesh and they obey them. Thus they are servants of whom they obey. Walking like a beast makes one an enemy of God because in doing so one is rejecting the light in favour of self indulgent sin.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The old man will always serve sin and this is why it must be crucified. This is why the law of the Spirit in Jesus Christ sets us free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2). It is through yielding to God that we are set free from the power of Satan. By grace are we saved through faith. Without grace (the influential drawing of God) we could not be set free from the body of death (Rom 7:24-25).

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 6:4-7 are parallel to what is being taught in this verse. When we die to self in a genuine repentance God raises us up by His Spirit (Col 2:11-13). We have faith in this taking place and then proceed to walk a crucified life being led of God.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This are very important words because they paint a clear picture of the walk of a Christian. Those who will live are those who mortify (put to death) the deeds of the flesh through their walking after the Spirit. It is by the power of God we do this through humble submission to His ways.

It is a very beautiful thing.




What is taught in the church system is a total denial of the above. They teach salvation as a provision of package of which you just "trust" in. Many deceived people are then left in a state of waiting upon God to change their desires when God has actually called on them to crucify their old man in the baptism of repentance.

Christ died for us and we are to die with Him. Thus the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.

Php_3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;



God bless.
 
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hislastwalk

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Amen!
What we behold is what we are changing into. It stands to reason if you are stuck on everyone sinning then you are beholding sin. But if you Look towards the Lord and seek His Face you will behold forgiveness and Love. You will then know how to forgive and Love others because the Lord has shown you.

Don't concentrate on all the "thou shalt nots". Concentrate on Gods Love towards You.

When the Father spoke from Heaven after the Lord was baptized He said "this is my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". When satan tempted the Lord he said "if you are the son of God". Satan left out the word Beloved. He doesn't want you concentrating or focusing on the Fact that you are beloved as He is Beloved. Therefore that is exactly what you need to concentrate and focus on, God's Love to You.
Yep. Amen :D
 

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Romans 6, peoples...

Romans 6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Romans 6

Believers Are Dead to Sin, Alive to God

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old [c]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [d]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is [e]freed from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [f]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting [g]the members of your body to sin as [h]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [i]instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin [j]resulting in death, or of obedience [k]resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that [l]though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [m]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, [n]resulting in sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what [o]benefit were you then [p]deriving [q]from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you [r]derive your [s]benefit, [t]resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Galatians 2:16 NCV

Yet we know that a person is made right with God not by following the law, but by trusting in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus, that we might be made right with God because we trusted in Christ. It is not because we followed the law, because no one can be made right with God by following the law.
 
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hislastwalk

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Romans 6, peoples...

Romans 6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Romans 6

Believers Are Dead to Sin, Alive to God

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become [a]united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be [b]in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old [c]self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be [d]done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is [e]freed from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, [f]is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting [g]the members of your body to sin as [h]instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as [i]instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin [j]resulting in death, or of obedience [k]resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that [l]though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [m]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, [n]resulting in sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what [o]benefit were you then [p]deriving [q]from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you [r]derive your [s]benefit, [t]resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Yep. Because if you're truly saved then you died to your sinful nature.
 
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Grace is a contract that Jesus Christ has with every believer who puts their trust in Him. That contract is one way and is not binding upon the believer. The believer can only be the recipient of the benefits of that contract through the humility of faith. Nothing the believer does will or can terminate that contract because it is binding upon our Lord and His promises. The believer can rebel through pride and forfeit the experience of those benefits of grace, but the contract remains in effect for them through humility and faith.

There are many that focus against using grace for all kinds of things that relate to sin and pertain to the flesh, but they never stop to think that God forbids His grace to be used in that manner. He will not violate their volition in doing so but they will reap in the same manner that they abuse it, only to make them realize the eternal purpose for the many sided and manifold grace of God. God is interested in teaching us to be stewards of His grace and that is a learning process. We are not going to be chided by the Lord if we misuse grace in an isolated way, but we will learn from our mistakes and learn how to receive and apply that grace to the details of life toward ourself and others.

The alarm of those that charge others with abusing grace is really an asset to the child of God in the stewardship of grace. It will never change because it is an immutable fact that when sin abounds grace will much more abound. The more sin the more grace is needed to overcome it. The more we fear the more love we need to cast out that fear. We are to learn as a member of Christ body to bestow more abundant honor on them that seem less honorable. There are going to be believers that are going to need more grace in certain areas then others and we are to bestow it on them because the others do not need it. We have to be able to discern this in the body and give of the supply of the Spirit we have been given so that God can temper the body.