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That's what a Roman catholic may perhaps claim according JESUS's saying about Apostle Peter, in perhaps their 'testimony' of 'catholism'. This will be a carnal/flesh 'claim' and 'testimony' of the 'made up' doctrine of men and not of GOD, and are therefore not what are 'spiritual' of the HOLY SPIRIT and taught by HIM.
But the sayings of JESUS in words are 'spirit' and 'life' and they are to be understood and perceived through 'spiritual blessing', for they are 'Spiritual' teachings.
'Church' meaning, is not 'a man made building' but 'a gathering', of true worshipers, who worship the Living GOD as FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth' believers who honor CHRIST's words/teachings and 'abiding' and 'bear' much 'fruits'. That is the true church JESUS will build upon Apostle Peter, the true 'rock' for CHRIST.
i hope further on you do not be quick to read and misunderstand my 'post', thank you friend. And i hope this 'pleases' you that i am not a catholic, but in Grace and Truth a friend of catholic 'poor' believers, led to 'minister' to.
GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive and bless you, since you are 'young at thinking'.
But the sayings of JESUS in words are 'spirit' and 'life' and they are to be understood and perceived through 'spiritual blessing', for they are 'Spiritual' teachings.
'Church' meaning, is not 'a man made building' but 'a gathering', of true worshipers, who worship the Living GOD as FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth' believers who honor CHRIST's words/teachings and 'abiding' and 'bear' much 'fruits'. That is the true church JESUS will build upon Apostle Peter, the true 'rock' for CHRIST.
i hope further on you do not be quick to read and misunderstand my 'post', thank you friend. And i hope this 'pleases' you that i am not a catholic, but in Grace and Truth a friend of catholic 'poor' believers, led to 'minister' to.
GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive and bless you, since you are 'young at thinking'.
And so once again i 'clarified' for what it truly said and you may accept them as it is written in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. For you did not receive them in humble and humility attitude in the first place. This is not some kind of fun house for all of us play with one another.
Furthermore sadly your respond is also of 'arrogance', as though you have a special 'worthiness' and 'deservingness' to talk back and say whatever you want.
You even 'run down' the catholic church of their physical actions of evilness in your post and you do not even know whether your given 'by Grace through faith', 'spiritual life' in actions, 'do the very same things that they do', which is on your part of 'lawlessness'?
Again GOD bless and forgive you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Furthermore sadly your respond is also of 'arrogance', as though you have a special 'worthiness' and 'deservingness' to talk back and say whatever you want.
You even 'run down' the catholic church of their physical actions of evilness in your post and you do not even know whether your given 'by Grace through faith', 'spiritual life' in actions, 'do the very same things that they do', which is on your part of 'lawlessness'?
Again GOD bless and forgive you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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Catholic means universal, the church is catholic, the current RCC has heresies and lots of false doctrines that are demonic, but that by no means denies that there are people within the Roman Catholic Church that are saved, and that includes possibly some of the clergy men. I would like to emphasize God is sovereign and rules over all peoples saved and unsaved and we are in no position to judge what God is allowing until the day of judgement.
Yesterday I talk to my cousin in the phone. She talking about Catholic. Her brother was a christian and convert to catholic because his wife.
Her brother was believe salvation only for Christian/ one must believe Jesus as the Lord in order to be save.
Now after his converter he believe who ever doing good saved.
I talk to other Catholic and they believe the same.
The man I talk with, said, doing good mean believe in Jesus, whether you aware or not.
A man may do not believe in Jesus as God, they may never heard about Jesus. but if they doing good, it mean doing the will of the Father and go to heaven.
He quote Matt 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
I think he interpret the will of my father as a good doer.
It is true Father want us to do good. But the Best thing we can do is to believe in Jesus.
Some time half true is more danger than false.
Her brother was believe salvation only for Christian/ one must believe Jesus as the Lord in order to be save.
Now after his converter he believe who ever doing good saved.
I talk to other Catholic and they believe the same.
The man I talk with, said, doing good mean believe in Jesus, whether you aware or not.
A man may do not believe in Jesus as God, they may never heard about Jesus. but if they doing good, it mean doing the will of the Father and go to heaven.
He quote Matt 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
I think he interpret the will of my father as a good doer.
It is true Father want us to do good. But the Best thing we can do is to believe in Jesus.
Some time half true is more danger than false.
What do you mean brother, do you mean Muslim if doing good not go to heaven? Seem to me you very close to the real salvation my friend. I pray sooner or latter you will meet real Jesus.
compare what your believe and catholic lumen gentium/dogma.
Lumengentium II/16
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,
compare what your believe and catholic lumen gentium/dogma.
Lumengentium II/16
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,
This what GOD says through CHRIST and is written in the New Covenant, about the one who is 'truthfully' doing 'all kind of Good deeds' cited in 2 Timothy 3; 16, 17;
"All Scripture is breathed by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every Good work."
Where does, not just good work by believing in JESUS but 'for every Good work' by believing the words/teachings of JESUS comes from?
'Believe' in JESUS actually means, 'believe' in HIS words/teachings and 'everyone then who 'hear' them and 'does' them are like onto 'a wise builder' of GOD's house.
Please beware of the 'counterfeits', even those who are among us.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.
"All Scripture is breathed by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every Good work."
Where does, not just good work by believing in JESUS but 'for every Good work' by believing the words/teachings of JESUS comes from?
'Believe' in JESUS actually means, 'believe' in HIS words/teachings and 'everyone then who 'hear' them and 'does' them are like onto 'a wise builder' of GOD's house.
Please beware of the 'counterfeits', even those who are among us.
Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you all with HIS kindness and peace.
For your first sentence, you are correct 'sir', as it is written and do not 'deviate' from their understanding and be 'deceived' by 'strange teachings', even from among us, different from what you have been 'taught' by the HOLY SPIRIT through the HOLY BIBLE.
Second sentence, yes 'is wrong' indeed and they are 'lies', both 'administrations' have been 'beguiled' by satan's 'twisted version' of the HOLY BIBLE and it is like, 'the blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch'. Sadly their 'plan of salvation' is 'partially' of 'truth', because that 'false salvation' will come from satan's 'messiah' to come, called the 'anti-CHRIST'. he will bring peace and be the liberator of all the problems to come upon this world, that henceforth after 'liberation', the people may do whatever pleases them, that which is 'right in their sight'.
Truthfully and faithfully 'abiding' Christian become 'a few' at that time of test/trial, as CHRIST said to HIS disciples and they will go through 'Tribulation' and 'Persecution' from the world under the 'influence' of the 'beast' worldwide. Many will 'abandon their faith' from the true MESSIAH of the HOLY BIBLE and have been 'beguiled' to believe in that 'false messiah', who will be so called, 'lovely' to the people around the world.
And moreover Apostle Paul said, 'that GOD will send a strong delusion on those who have not welcomed the Gospel' and faithful Christian must only say at that time of sufferings in helplessness and hopelessness that, 'FATHER forgive them, they knew not what they do'.
Have anyone 'welcomed' the four Gospel and everything written in them and 'abiding' according to them them?
Third sentence, yes and also not forgetting, muslim do 'abide' in HIM as 'Prophet Isa', but have not 'welcomed' the 'full' HIM, JESUS according to HIS 'Grace and Truth'.
'Abide in HIS word and love' means, one may take all the temptations/trials 'beatings' of their own 'flesh', the corrupt carnality/fleshly 'world' and 'satan' but never 'give in', still 'rooted to CHRIST's words/teachings', even 'lay down' their own lives for the love of their enemies.
Second sentence, yes 'is wrong' indeed and they are 'lies', both 'administrations' have been 'beguiled' by satan's 'twisted version' of the HOLY BIBLE and it is like, 'the blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch'. Sadly their 'plan of salvation' is 'partially' of 'truth', because that 'false salvation' will come from satan's 'messiah' to come, called the 'anti-CHRIST'. he will bring peace and be the liberator of all the problems to come upon this world, that henceforth after 'liberation', the people may do whatever pleases them, that which is 'right in their sight'.
Truthfully and faithfully 'abiding' Christian become 'a few' at that time of test/trial, as CHRIST said to HIS disciples and they will go through 'Tribulation' and 'Persecution' from the world under the 'influence' of the 'beast' worldwide. Many will 'abandon their faith' from the true MESSIAH of the HOLY BIBLE and have been 'beguiled' to believe in that 'false messiah', who will be so called, 'lovely' to the people around the world.
And moreover Apostle Paul said, 'that GOD will send a strong delusion on those who have not welcomed the Gospel' and faithful Christian must only say at that time of sufferings in helplessness and hopelessness that, 'FATHER forgive them, they knew not what they do'.
Have anyone 'welcomed' the four Gospel and everything written in them and 'abiding' according to them them?
Third sentence, yes and also not forgetting, muslim do 'abide' in HIM as 'Prophet Isa', but have not 'welcomed' the 'full' HIM, JESUS according to HIS 'Grace and Truth'.
'Abide in HIS word and love' means, one may take all the temptations/trials 'beatings' of their own 'flesh', the corrupt carnality/fleshly 'world' and 'satan' but never 'give in', still 'rooted to CHRIST's words/teachings', even 'lay down' their own lives for the love of their enemies.
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Simply wrong. I suspect their reluctance was to have "your version" of interpretation of the bible forcefed to them.
I have been there...I was a protesant, then evangelical, became RCC 20 years later BECAUSE of study of the bible , the history to which it spoke, and the early church fathers.
I am somewhat ashamed to have bought into most of the evangelical myths and misrepresentations about catholics, and worse still passed them on!! One of which is they do not read the bible when popes have urged this numerous times. That is not to say all catholics follow the catechism or teaching of RCC, but in our case UNLESS you accept the catechism you are not a catholic, and that urges reading of scripture! There is not the freedom to decide what you believe unlike protestantism where anything goes, so what individual catholics do (and some of the heinous deeds!) , does not speak for catholicism.
I have been there...I was a protesant, then evangelical, became RCC 20 years later BECAUSE of study of the bible , the history to which it spoke, and the early church fathers.
I am somewhat ashamed to have bought into most of the evangelical myths and misrepresentations about catholics, and worse still passed them on!! One of which is they do not read the bible when popes have urged this numerous times. That is not to say all catholics follow the catechism or teaching of RCC, but in our case UNLESS you accept the catechism you are not a catholic, and that urges reading of scripture! There is not the freedom to decide what you believe unlike protestantism where anything goes, so what individual catholics do (and some of the heinous deeds!) , does not speak for catholicism.
Dear 'sir', 'abide' means in the Oxford dictionary, 'Keep', 'Continue', 'stomach', 'suffer', 'Adhere to', 'Comply with', 'conform to' and etc. Sadly and most importantly, Christians are the ones who are 'ignorant' to all of these that was 'said' by CHRIST of the New Covenant.
Yes, surely by now you know that muslims indeed do not and cannot 'abide' in the 'words' and 'love' of JESUS written in the New Covenant, for they have not been 'born from above'. Moreover first of all they do not welcome the Gospel and their taught believes of their 'false prophet' is that the disciples of JESUS have 'altered' the foundation of the Gospel and therefore loses it's 'credibility' to be 'true'. This is because they do not have the HOLY SPIRIT and 'spiritual blessing', in order to understand 'spiritual teachings' from 'above'.
But Christians must know and be serious whether they 'abide' in the 'words' and 'love' of LORD JESUS CHRIST themselves, rather than the unbelievers because they are 'blind' for now and Christians are 'not'.
Be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Yes, surely by now you know that muslims indeed do not and cannot 'abide' in the 'words' and 'love' of JESUS written in the New Covenant, for they have not been 'born from above'. Moreover first of all they do not welcome the Gospel and their taught believes of their 'false prophet' is that the disciples of JESUS have 'altered' the foundation of the Gospel and therefore loses it's 'credibility' to be 'true'. This is because they do not have the HOLY SPIRIT and 'spiritual blessing', in order to understand 'spiritual teachings' from 'above'.
But Christians must know and be serious whether they 'abide' in the 'words' and 'love' of LORD JESUS CHRIST themselves, rather than the unbelievers because they are 'blind' for now and Christians are 'not'.
Be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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All-Honor, All-Glory, All-Power and All-Praise be to our GOD, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forever and ever, Amen.
And also 'all correction' comes from HIM who loves HIS children, so that all of HIS children will be 'encouraged' in order to 'grow stronger' towards 'Eternal Life'.
Thank you also for your 'encouragement' that i have been able to help by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in order to 'build up' believers in 'Grace' and 'Truth' of the New Covenant.
And also 'all correction' comes from HIM who loves HIS children, so that all of HIS children will be 'encouraged' in order to 'grow stronger' towards 'Eternal Life'.
Thank you also for your 'encouragement' that i have been able to help by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in order to 'build up' believers in 'Grace' and 'Truth' of the New Covenant.