Repentance

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violakat

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I'm curious as to what everyone thinks the term repentance means.
 
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Repentance simply means a change of mind.

Repentance - G3341 - metanoia
From G3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication reversal (of [another's] decision): - repentance.






Godly sorrow works a genuine repentance unto salvation. The godly sorrow produces a fear of God, vehement desires, indignation over sin, a zeal for righteousness, and a clearing (purity in the greek).



For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. (2Cor 7:10-11)

Jesus said that we must repent or perish.
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luk 13:3)

Jesus used Nineveh as an example of repentance.
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. (Mat 12:41)

So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. (Jon 3:5-10)

Repentance is the mind change that produces a genuine change of action in a person. A person who repents of their rebellion to God will forsake that rebellion to God.

If they do not forsake that rebellion to God then the repentance was not genuine because they still prefer their rebellion.

Jesus spoke of repentance in Luke 15.
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. (Luke 15:7)

Jesus then went on and gave the parable of the Prodigal Son.

Luke 15
11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.


The son rebelled against the father and found himself in the pig pen.

He came to himself in the pig pen and changed his mind (Luke 15:17) and decided that he would forsake the pig pen and fall before His father seeking mercy (Luke 15:18).

He then left the pig pen (Luke 15:20) and when he was a long way off his father ran out. The son was broken before him in true sorrow, having forsaken his rebellion, and the father then responded by restoring him (Luke 15:21-24).

This part of this parable is a picture of repentance and is reflected in many other scriptures throughout the Bible.

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Pro 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

One must repent for sins to be remitted.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

It is through a genuine repentance that one is able to walk in the light because the rebellion has stopped. The blood of Jesus Christ is then applied to the sinner and they are cleansed of all their sin.

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (1 Joh 1:7)

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Rom 3:25)

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Heb 9:14)
 
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Crossfire

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Actually Skinski sums it up pretty nicely. However, if I were to add one thing, it would be to include the hebrew word for repentance it's definition as well which basically supports what Skinski has already proposed.
 
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The main thing about repentance is that its manditory to receive mercy from God, because Jesus diddnt call us to confess and trust, but to repent as described by Skinski,(from the word of God) then follow Him on the narrow path.

Biblical repentance
2 Corinthians 7:10-11
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For observe this very thing that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
The way to the cross, is godly sorrow, not the sorrow of the world. Godly sorrow produces repentance (stopping the sin) leading to what? Salvation! Never going back to the sins of death, 1 Corinthians 6-9-11.
The sorrow of the world, leads to death, since the sin never stops, so then godly sorrow will produce: diligence in you,(the virtue of hard work rather than the sin of careless,) clearing of all wrong doing, what indignation(strong displeasure at something considered unjust, offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.)Follower by fear of God and His wrath, a vehement desire(Characterized by forcefulness of expression or intensity of emotion or conviction; fervid) a zeal and passion to do right and make amends if possible, what vindication(a means of exoneration from an accusation) you proved yourself to be clear(pure)of all known sin and disobedience before God.
This happens before forgiveness will be granted, because we have free will and ability, to repent, stop the sin, and obey God from a pure and undefiled heart, thus becoming savable, and broken, ready to receive the implanted word with a clean conscience, purified through repentance and faith proven by deeds!
Tommy 4-4-12
 
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Tombo

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No one can produce repentance of themselves, it is the gift of God in salvation.

Acts 11:18 "When they heard theses things they fell silent. And they glorified God,
saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."

2 Timothy 2:25 "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant
them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,"


Don't trust to your own works, rely totally on Christ to save
you to the uttermost. Good works will flow from your salvation, not the other way
around, despite what some deceivers would have you believe.
God bless, my friends.

Tom
 
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Crossfire

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No one can produce repentance of themselves, it is the gift of God in salvation.

Acts 11:18 "When they heard theses things they fell silent. And they glorified God,
saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."

2 Timothy 2:25 "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant
them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,"


Don't trust to your own works, rely totally on Christ to save
you to the uttermost. Good works will flow from your salvation, not the other way
around, despite what some deceivers would have you believe.
God bless, my friends.

Tom
You are very right that repentance is not the work of man but rather it is man's response to the work of the Holy Spirit in a man. However, what work of the Holy Spirit does not require a response from man? Our response to His divine work within us is the evidence of our faith. Those who fail to respond to the divine instruction of the Holy Spirit accomplish nothing but to grieve Him.

Please understand, our actions - or lack there of - do garner spiritual consequences.
 
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violakat

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Skinz, it was your post about the pastors responses to your questions that caused me to post this.
 
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Tombo

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You are very right that repentance is not the work of man but rather it is man's response to the work of the Holy Spirit in a man. However, what work of the Holy Spirit does not require a response from man? Our response to His divine work within us is the evidence of our faith. Those who fail to respond to the divine instruction of the Holy Spirit accomplish nothing but to grieve Him.

Please understand, our actions - or lack there of - do garner spiritual consequences.
In my reply I stated that good works , including repentance, will flow from salvation. If God doesn't open a person's eyes to see that they are in need of a savior, they will not even want to repent, they will care noting for the things of God at all. But once God saves us, then we will repent and do the good works that God wants us to do. Salvation and repentance happen at the same time. I have a huge problem with people who teach that the act of repenting is what first makes God forgive us. I underlined the word makes, because that is really what they believe.They actually think that their repentance makes God beholden to save them, instead of trusting in God's grace alone for salvation. They teach that salvation begins with repentnace, and that as long as you remain in repentance you are saved. But if you fall into sin, you are (according to them) unsaved again. That is what skinski7 and Tommy4Christ have been spreading all over these boards.
I pray for the young and weak Christians here, that they won't be poisoned by this doctrine of devils.
God bless.

Tom
 
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In my reply I stated that good works , including repentance, will flow from salvation. If God doesn't open a person's eyes to see that they are in need of a savior, they will not even want to repent, they will care noting for the things of God at all. But once God saves us, then we will repent and do the good works that God wants us to do. Salvation and repentance happen at the same time. I have a huge problem with people who teach that the act of repenting is what first makes God forgive us. I underlined the word makes, because that is really what they believe.They actually think that their repentance makes God beholden to save them, instead of trusting in God's grace alone for salvation. They teach that salvation begins with repentnace, and that as long as you remain in repentance you are saved. But if you fall into sin, you are (according to them) unsaved again. That is what skinski7 and Tommy4Christ have been spreading all over these boards.
I pray for the young and weak Christians here, that they won't be poisoned by this doctrine of devils.
God bless.

Tom
I am glad you have posted because you demonstrate very well the fallacy at work. First off you don't use scripture to establish your position. You occasionally will cite a verse or two out of context but you cannot put scripture together like I can because the Bible simply does not teach what you want it to teach.

You say...

Salvation ------------> Repentance

2Cor 7:10 clearly says...

godly sorrow ----------> repentance -----------> salvation.

Acts 3:19 says...

repentance -------------> conversion ---------------> forgiveness of sins

Pro 28:13 says...

confess and forsake sin -------------------> mercy granted

Jam 1:21 says...

Lay aside all sin -------------------> receive with meekness the implanted word -----------------> salvation


Your theology has the Prodigal Son getting restored by the father while he is still in the pig pen and then he may leave it. Totally backwards.

Then you say this...

I have a huge problem with people who teach that the act of repenting is what first makes God forgive us. I underlined the word makes, because that is really what they believe.They actually think that their repentance makes God beholden to save them, instead of trusting in God's grace alone for salvation.
Which is a flat out lie. Repentance does not MAKE God do anything. The Prodigal Son did not presume on the father doing anything for him. Nor did Nineveh.

Nineveh said, "Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?"

The Prodigal Son said, "I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son."

Repenting does not obligate God to do anything for you. Stop lying by saying that is what I am saying, I have never said such a thing.

The Bible clearly says that God offers mercy to those who will forsake their sin in repentance. It says it in many places in the old and new testaments both directly and by implication. It is the pattern of the Bible. Repent or perish, it is very simple.

We are only forgiven by the gracious mercy of God. We cannot earn it. Obeying God is simply the right thing to do because God is God and God is holy.

Salvation is being set free from sin and it is having your past sins remitted by God's good grace through Jesus Christ. Salvation is a state of existence, it IS NOT some legal standing or provision.

Jesus came to set us free from sin. If one is still in bondage to their sin, by definition, they are not saved.

You cannot claim to be saved from prison while you are still locked in your cell.

You cannot claim to be clean because you took a shower if you are still wallowing in the mud.

The Prodigal Son could not claim to be restored by his father while he was still eating with the pigs.

That is pure nonsense.

One is either a slave to sin or they have been set free and are a slave to righteousness (Rom 6:16-17).




Grace is the divine influence of God on our heart which teaches us how to live(Tit 2:11-12). We yield to that by an obedient faith working by love (Eph 2:8, Rom 6:17, Gal 5:6). The result is purity of heart (Act 15:9, 1Pet 1:21).

It is a beautiful message and it is the power of God.
 
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Tombo

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I have just posted this in another thread, but it also fits well here.

You really believe that you can live a sinless life!!!! 1st John tells Christians that "if we say we have no sin, we lie." You can talk about repentance all you wish, but as long as you look at it as a means to become saved, you are lost. We will fight against sin till the day we die.

Romans 7:14-15, "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."

Romans 7:16-20 "Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."

Romans 7:21-25" So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members/body another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members/body. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."

Paul is speaking of the remaing sin in our, as yet, unsaved bodies. We will always find sin within ourselves to fight against until we reach the new heavens and earth. We will never be sinless here on this earth. Does that now mean that Christians can continue to sin with no remorse or repentnace??? Let's see.

Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members/bodies to sin as instuments for unrighteouness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members/bodies to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."

I've showed you verses that clearly show that repentance is a gift from God to those whom He saves. You err in thinking that unregenerate man has some innate ability to repent and believe. You deny God's decree that ALL are dead in sin. You deny God's sovereign right to save whomever He wishes, and teach others that all they have to do is repent and God will save them. You bring a gospel of works, wherein man gets all the glory for his salvation.
I have showed you that Paul teaches that we will always have sin in our mortal bodies, and will fight against it in this life until the end. It will be an unending battle until we reach our home in heaven.

I hope others see the truth of this critical teaching. If we look to Christ plus..., stop right there. It is Christ ALONE who saves us completely. We, like Paul, will put to death the deeds of the flesh because God has saved us, He has granted salvation and repentance to us. If we look to even one "good deed" that we have done, we have fallen from God's grace and are trying to earn our salvation. May it never be!!!! Give God ALL THE GLORY. We are dead before God saves us, so how could we possibly do anything good to please God???

Read these verses very carefully, my brothers and sisters in Christ.
No one can produce repentance of themselves, it is the gift of God in salvation.

Acts 11:18 "When they heard theses things they fell silent. And they glorified God,

saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."

2 Timothy 2:25 "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant
them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,"

God bless you, and give you wisdom in this eternally important subject.

Tom
 
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SpaceCowboy

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Godly sorrow.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I think my pastor put it as "Turning 180 degrees and walking away", I think I like that description
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Repentnace mans to change one's mind, or basically, to turn 180 degrees from the way you were going. and go in a different direction.

before we were saved.

1. we were Gods enemy
2. we did not believe all sin was sin
3. We thought we were owr own master (God) thus did not need saved.
4.if we believed there was a God, we thought we could get with him our own way

to repent we

1. Acknowledge we were an enemy of God
2. Acknowledge when God says "such and such is a sin" he means it.
3. acknowledge that because of sin, we are separated from God
4. acknowledge we can not save ourselves. But only God can save us

if we do not do this, we will never come to saving faith. that is why God tells us we must repent to be saved. for without repentance. we will still believe the some of the lies we have always believed. and never come to trust fully in Christ.
 
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AnandaHya

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before you can repent you must first have the HOLY Spirit awaken you to the spiritual filth that you are in.

God begins the process of salvation. we don't wake ourselves up. GOD calls us and opens our eyes and hearts to be able to hear His gospel.

http://media.sermonindex.net/16/SID16694.mp3

people have to be brought to conviction and godly sorrow before they can truly repent.

IF people give them a bandaid and tell them they are saved without first having them be convicted of their sin and they do not repent, then it hurts the person more then helps them. it is not preaching the Gospel.
 
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No one can produce repentance of themselves, it is the gift of God in salvation.

Acts 11:18 "When they heard theses things they fell silent. And they glorified God,
saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."

2 Timothy 2:25 "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant
them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,"

Don't trust to your own works, rely totally on Christ to save
you to the uttermost. Good works will flow from your salvation, not the other way
around, despite what some deceivers would have you believe.
God bless, my friends.

Tom
I am one who you label deceiver, for even though we are led to repentance through our Holy God, we are the ones who has to obey, get up and work, and repent.