eternal life

2 PETER 2!!! There are MANY errors of false doctrines!!! Buckle up for these bubble busters!!!
Its all about WATER!!! Yahshua was born of a water sign around The Feast of Tabernacles (Matthew 2:2)!!! He sure WASN'T born in December!!! If U believe He was born in the winter solstice, U worship the pagan powers of astrology which Yahshua took from satan on the "cross"!!! Do some REAL research!!! What is called "christianity" is actually pagan in origin! MANY believe Yahshua was a caucasian man, but he wasn't (Daniel 7:9, 10:6)!!! Christ is GREEK for "anointed one", but TRUE anointing began with Yahshua Ha Meshiach??? Women aren't even allowed to speak in church for lack of TRUE anointing (1 Corinthians 11:1-16, 14:33-40 - 1 Timothy 2:11)!!! Dare U call God a misogynist??? Women don't like standing "behind" men unless there's danger!!! If U DO research, just remember... the TRUTH is a difficult pill to swallow at first!!! Think ONLY about salvation!!! EACH 1 TEACH 1!!!

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

I fail to see how the words being born again instead of born from above, is anything to be concerned about.
The fact that a person must be born again, is implicit in the statement to be 'born from above' anyway. So he may as well have said "born again". Jesus clarifies what he means in the next verses anyway. So it is probably nothing to be worried about, and is not an incorrect translation.

As you can read Nicodemus in fact misinterprets what Jesus has said just as you are doing now, but in a slightly different manner. The most literal translation would be "ye must be born from on top", Nicodemus having been already born once, assumed he must be born a second time, he must be born again, he obviously didn't think it possible for one to go back into his mother's womb and then come out again, now think, and heed the answer from Jesus;

"Verily, Verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water (Hendiadys)- yea spiritual water (one element not two!), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Latter Noun becomes a superlative and emphatic Adjective, determining the meaning and nature of the former showing that one to be spiritual water. One is born of either water or spiritual water, not a second time, Jesus says the first is from the top - yea not water but is spiritual water!

"That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born from above (anothen). The Spirit (pneuma) another mistranslation, occ. 385 times, and is rendered "Spirit", never "wind") breatheth where He willeth, thou hearest the sound of His voice and knowest not from hence, or where goeth: so is everyone that has been begotten of the Spirit."

The verse gets mutilated in the KJV and in most English translation, for it to go unnoticed and unaccounted for just goes to show the depth of the deception we face, there is absoluely no known way that words like pneuma can be translated "wind", it always means Spirit always, this is just a blatant and deliberate mistranslation, that many scholars know about but they keep quiet, because they are afraid, well i'm not afraid, if others want to just gloss over the devil's handiwork just brush it off as "too hard basket" just "better to keep quiet" well **** it!!! **** it, it is blatant perversion of the word in the worst possible sense, and I will not accept it, I don't care how many came before that have let this lie continue unchallenged, it's been mutilated! It's a disgrace, even someone with the most basic elementry knowledge of Biblical Greek can work out this verse out for what it is, a total and utter mistranslation, a perversion of the sacred word of God, conjured up by the Devil himself. Ignore it at your peril.

The Spirit of God is NOT blocked by language barriers (Acts 2)!!! It's an easy obstacle... like translating past & future tenses to the CHINESE tongue (there are none)!!! To be "Born Again" is to be born of water (baptised) in the presence of (witnessed by) The Holy Spirit. This is the death of the old U, & birth of a Child of God who is in heaven. If U haven't accepted The Messia, eternal life will NOT find U!!! Thats what was meant by "Born from above"!!! That is why John wanted The Messia to baptise him (Matthew 3:14-17)!

Cup is running like a track star... lol!!! John 14:15

[MahogonySnail]

The verse gets mutilated in the KJV and in most English translation, for it to go unnoticed and unaccounted for just goes to show the depth of the deception we face, there is absoluely no known way that words like pneuma can be translated "wind", it always means Spirit always, this is just a blatant and deliberate mistranslation, that many scholars know about but they keep quiet, because they are afraid, well i'm not afraid, if others want to just gloss over the devil's handiwork just brush it off as "too hard basket" just "better to keep quiet" well **** it!!! **** it, it is blatant perversion of the word in the worst possible sense, and I will not accept it, I don't care how many came before that have let this lie continue unchallenged, it's been mutilated! It's a disgrace, even someone with the most basic elementry knowledge of Biblical Greek can work out this verse out for what it is, a total and utter mistranslation, a perversion of the sacred word of God, conjured up by the Devil himself. Ignore it at your peril.

The KJV is not perfect in it's translation. But how can you make such extreme statements that it is "conjured up by the Devil, ignore it at your peril", it might simply be translation error. I do doubt that you could do much better at translating the bible into english.

I have ignored it, and frankly it is trivial to me and doesn't bother me. At least not enough to swear over it as you have.

Originally Posted by doubleedge

The Spirit of God is NOT blocked by language barriers (Acts 2)!!! It's an easy obstacle... like translating past & future tenses to the CHINESE tongue (there are none)!!! To be "Born Again" is to be born of water (baptised) in the presence of (witnessed by) The Holy Spirit. This is the death of the old U, & birth of a Child of God who is in heaven. If U haven't accepted The Messia, eternal life will NOT find U!!! Thats what was meant by "Born from above"!!! That is why John wanted The Messia to baptise him (Matthew 3:14-17)!

It says "Born from above", does not say "born again", that is incorrect, you cannot be "born again", not a second time, but one time of the Spirit, born from above not of water but Hendiadys.

This has nothing to do with Chinese, this has got to do with what John wrote, I don't care what you think he wrote, I don't care for the pen of a decieved scribe of King James court and I don't even care about what I think, I don't trust myself let alone anyone else, but I trust the word, and that is why I read the word and only the word, if John says that Jesus said "BORN FROM ABOVE", then that is exactly what the good Lord said!

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentence, but He that come after me is mightier than I, whose shoe I am not worthy to bear: He SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE! Whose fan is in His hand and He will throughly purge His floor and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquechable fire."

You think you you can choose to be dipped in cool water and recieve the Holy Spirit? Does not work like that, You do not choose Him, but He chooses you and those that know Him will testify that Jesus Christ does not baptize with water , oh no, He uses the spiritual water from on high and fire and if you have chaff in your life He is going burn it to ashes!

CUP... It would seem that Ur interpretation of spiritual matters is literal, & thus limited. U see, spirit IS action... or rather, spirit causes action!!! NOTHING can be moved without a spirit! When a thing is moved, ONLY the spirit that moved it (& God) shall know to what end. The are good actions (that which God set in motion & is good), & there are sinful actions which go against God's Will & Command! A sinful action is the result of a choice, which God has given man the right to make!!! One can choose to be "Born Again", or "Born from Above" as U put it! The Holy Spirit comes from The Most High. Who or what is above The Most High??? If The Holy Spirit shall come to U, it shall come from above! Spiritualy speaking, above is a higher standing... a place that growth reaches for. This is NOT to be taken literally like the "under"standing of those that erected the tower of babel!!! That which is ABOVE neutral (0 point, or point 0), is positive, & that which is below, is negative!

Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16
The Holy Spirit is for the "Chosen" (Matthew 20:16 - Matthew 22:14), while the fire is for those that ignore the call (Matthew 7:21-26)!!!

Originally Posted by doubleedge

CUP... It would seem that Ur interpretation of spiritual matters is literal, & thus limited. U see, spirit IS action... or rather, spirit causes action!!! NOTHING can be moved without a spirit! When a thing is moved, ONLY the spirit that moved it (& God) shall know to what end. The are good actions (that which God set in motion & is good), & there are sinful actions which go against God's Will & Command! A sinful action is the result of a choice, which God has given man the right to make!!! One can choose to be "Born Again", or "Born from Above" as U put it! The Holy Spirit comes from The Most High. Who or what is above The Most High??? If The Holy Spirit shall come to U, it shall come from above! Spiritualy speaking, above is a higher standing... a place that growth reaches for. This is NOT to be taken literally like the "under"standing of those that erected the tower of babel!!! That which is ABOVE neutral (0 point, or point 0), is positive, & that which is below, is negative!

John 17:16-21 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth. as Thou has sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me, through their word, that they all may be one; as Thou Father, art in Me, and I, in Thee."

John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you"

See, you cannot choose, no descision in it on your part, If you are Christ's than He has chosen you, and sent you into the world. Christ is not from this world, He is from above, "Ye must be born from above", that is what John says, not "you must be born again"

Now if someone never existed somewhere else before how can they be sent by Christ into the world? If Christ says that his sheep are not from this world, then where are they from? 'From above', 'our Father who art in Heaven'. To think that anybody can choose that, you cannot, Christ sent the Spirit of Truth to testify to the ones He has chosen, eternal life is not eternal without pre-existence.

[Kernwarrior]

You have eternal life, But you might want some fire insurance.

[wattie]

coming back to assurance of salvation, which is basic christian doctrine.. and what the person who led this thread is asking about..

When someone is born .. they have an eternal spirit. This has not yet been indwelled by the Holy Spirit.. just the spirit in us that will either end up in heaven or hell.

Being 'born of water and the Spirit'

This means.. first... someone is born in the womb of the mother.. then if they ask Jesus into their life to forgive their sin.. they have everlasting life.. and are born of the Holy Spirit.. regenerated.. born again.

It isn't just the 'born of the water and the spirit' verse that supports this either.. the book of John repeats over and over that it is believing in Jesus that gives eternal life.. which is the same as being born again -- or born from above by the Holy Spirit.

So believe in me and have everlasting life from Jesus is the same as being born again of the Holy Spirit.

Now, when someone is born of the Holy Spirit.. they are sealed by His promise for eternal life.. justified by the faith of Jesus.. guaranteed eternal life.

This is the assurance of salvation.. that having entrusted your salvation with Jesus.. you have eternal, everlasting life.

Don believe me? This is something that the earliest christians believed!! How do I know this?

Rom 6:22 But now being made FREE from sin, and become servants to God, ye HAVE your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit SHALL (or will) of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me HATH everlasting life.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I WILL raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:27 Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man SHALL (will) give unto you: for him hath God the Father SEALED.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life, and SHALL NOT (will not) come into condemnation; but IS passed from death unto life.

Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall NEVER thirst; but the water that I shall give him SHALL (willl) be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD NOT (will not) perish, but have everlasting life.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I could go on and on.. these verses don't include the ones with 'eternal life' in them..

It is plain and true-- someone who has entrusted their salvation with Jesus HAS eternal life... BE ASSURED.. BE COMFORTED

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

ENOUGH SAID