Apostasy Alert: TD Jakes Joins up with Oprah's New Age "Lifeclass"

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The New Age deception in the church continues. Sadly...

"Prosperity Gospel Preacher T.D. Jakes has now officially yoked himself with the New Age Movement as he has joined Oprah Winfrey’s roster of New Age mystics and gurus for her “Lifeclass Series.” Jakes, who is famous for saying "Jesus is the product" when referring to his multi-million dollar media empire which includes books, movies and his Potter’s House Prosperity Gospel church, is now selling his wares to Oprah Winfrey’s mega-audience of devoted followers. And in Jakes’ preaching on “Purpose” and how to find it, there is no mention of the name of Jesus Christ."

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A-Omega said:
The New Age deception in the church continues. Sadly...

"Prosperity Gospel Preacher T.D. Jakes has now officially yoked himself with the New Age Movement as he has joined Oprah Winfrey’s roster of New Age mystics and gurus for her “Lifeclass Series.” Jakes, who is famous for saying "Jesus is the product" when referring to his multi-million dollar media empire which includes books, movies and his Potter’s House Prosperity Gospel church, is now selling his wares to Oprah Winfrey’s mega-audience of devoted followers. And in Jakes’ preaching on “Purpose” and how to find it, there is no mention of the name of Jesus Christ."

Full story:

Apostasy Alert: T.D. Jakes Joins New Age Priestess Oprah Winfrey Lifeclass | Beginning And End
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20And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. 22Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. 23Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. 24But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. 25Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. 26Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
 
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A-Omega said:
The New Age deception in the church continues. Sadly...

"Prosperity Gospel Preacher T.D. Jakes has now officially yoked himself with the New Age Movement as he has joined Oprah Winfrey’s roster of New Age mystics and gurus for her “Lifeclass Series.” Jakes, who is famous for saying "Jesus is the product" when referring to his multi-million dollar media empire which includes books, movies and his Potter’s House Prosperity Gospel church, is now selling his wares to Oprah Winfrey’s mega-audience of devoted followers. And in Jakes’ preaching on “Purpose” and how to find it, there is no mention of the name of Jesus Christ."

Full story:

Apostasy Alert: T.D. Jakes Joins New Age Priestess Oprah Winfrey Lifeclass | Beginning And End
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If you do not like TD Jakes, then that's your right. However, I have discovered that those who tend to focus on what they consider to be the apostasy of others are very often completely blind to the apostasy that they themselves embrace or are about to stumble into.

Jesus himself warns us that before we even attempt to remove the spec from someone else's eye, we should be aware and remove the splinter from our own eye. The reason being is that if we attempt to lead others before we ourselves are ready, then not only are we are we going to stumble and fall, all of those who follow will also stumble and fall.

What is not not mentioned is how the weight of those who fall on top of you will crush you thus leaving you crippled and in no condition to ever lead again even if at some future point you do find yourself walking in absolute truth. The simple truth is that by exposing what we believe is the apostasy of others before we ourselves are rid of the compromises in our our own lives, we run the risk of looking like a hypocrite to others when our own compromise is exposed for all to see. Not only did we set ourselves for a serious fall but now all of those who once placed faith in us have been seriously wounded also thus we have done more harm to the gospel than we ever did good.

This is a lesson that I know all too well.... :(

Also, one can't but wonder just how much compromise is hiding behind all of these anonymous nicknames....
 
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td jakes is putting himself forward to the people, he is not setting a good example.

So the person who posted this, was right for there may be people that was following this man's teaching, and this may be enough to deter them from him...

Prosperity teachers need exposing.... If they put themselves forward into the public eye then people should be aware of what they stand for.........
 
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loveme1 said:
td jakes is putting himself forward to the people, he is not setting a good example.

So the person who posted this, was right for there may be people that was following this man's teaching, and this may be enough to deter them from him...

Prosperity teachers need exposing.... If they put themselves forward into the public eye then people should be aware of what they stand for.........
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While I'm not a fan of prosperity preachers, I have learned that most who seem to have the biggest problem with prosperity preachers embrace other doctrines of compromise that are trying to compete for popularity in the current church age...
 
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While I'm not a fan of prosperity preachers, I have learned that most who seem to have the biggest problem with prosperity preachers embrace other doctrines of compromise that are trying to compete for popularity in the current church age...
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The problem is not limited to prosperity, but in this instance someone wanted to make others aware of a prosperity preacher's behaviour.

I am not sure what you mean by other doctrines?
 
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pimping Jesus for your own personal gain is wrong no matter how you cut it.

Focus solely on deceivers? no, one should pray and ask God for guidance

Warn the flock of wolves? definitely

Ezekiel 22:27
Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, to shed blood, to destroy people, and to get dishonest gain.

Sound doctrine is not a popularity contest, it is the difference between Eternal life and receiving the second death.

warning people against those claiming to be from God and NOT is what God calls us to do. JESUS commends the church who did this:

Revelation 2
 2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary.
 
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Fame does not equal credibility.

We forget that.

A lot.
 
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It's been a while since I've watched, listened or read anything of TD Jakes in order to assess what TD Jakes motives are. However, from what I've seen of seen him, he's hardly anyone's errand boy. He's far more likely influence Oprah than vice versa. But as I said, I have not heard or read anything of his to criticize him. The last thing I want to do is to judge a person's motives based on 2nd hand information that I recieved from someone else when that particular someone's motives might be just as bad or worse.

Let's face it, most on this website have never once read or listened to TD Jakes or if they have listened to him they heard just enough to figure out that he's Pentecostal and they tuned out and turned off.

But let me ask you this.... if Ellen Degeneres were to approach you somehow and sincerely ask you to come on her show and explain your perspective of the gospel without interference, would you do it?

If TBN called you up and asked for you to share your perspectives of the gospel on one of their tv programs - no strings attached - would you do it? How about NBC, ABC or CBS?

Would you still do it knowing with all your heart that this is what God wants you to do although you also knew that in doing so your family, your pastor and / or your church might reject you?

I can't speak for TD Jakes, however, not everyone who appears on tv has bad or selfish intentions.
 
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mmm do you attend a church where your pastor is on TV, Crossfire?
 
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mmm do you attend a church where your pastor is on TV, Crossfire?
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Our Pastor? No. However, the president of the seminary I attended has a TV show that appears on certain christian tv networks and has a nationally syndicated radio program. He has a doctorate in Hebrew and is widely accepted as America's leading scholar is Jewish appologetics. Both his tv show and radio program concentrate on winning Jews to Christ. I can promise you, Dr. Brown isn't someone to compromise for the sake of wealth or tv.
 
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If you do not like TD Jakes, then that's your right. However, I have discovered that those who tend to focus on what they consider to be the apostasy of others are very often completely blind to the apostasy that they themselves embrace or are about to stumble into.

Jesus himself warns us that before we even attempt to remove the spec from someone else's eye, we should be aware and remove the splinter from our own eye. The reason being is that if we attempt to lead others before we ourselves are ready, then not only are we are we going to stumble and fall, all of those who follow will also stumble and fall.

What is not not mentioned is how the weight of those who fall on top of you will crush you thus leaving you crippled and in no condition to ever lead again even if at some future point you do find yourself walking in absolute truth. The simple truth is that by exposing what we believe is the apostasy of others before we ourselves are rid of the compromises in our our own lives, we run the risk of looking like a hypocrite to others when our own compromise is exposed for all to see. Not only did we set ourselves for a serious fall but now all of those who once placed faith in us have been seriously wounded also thus we have done more harm to the gospel than we ever did good.

This is a lesson that I know all too well.... :(

Also, one can't but wonder just how much compromise is hiding behind all of these anonymous nicknames....
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This is a very good point and a great challenge for us to walk the talk and be careful what we say, although I do believe that there is a place to discuss/debate theology and bring potentially dangerous teaching to peoples attention.
 
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BTW I could be wrong.
 
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This is a very good point and a great challenge for us to walk the talk and be careful what we say, although I do believe that there is a place to discuss/debate theology and bring potentially dangerous teaching to peoples attention.
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You're absolutely right. If the man is indeed wrong then we should most definitely sound the alarm. However, we should never disregard the messenger before we have listened to and discerned the message.

Let's not forget what happened to Isaiah or Zechariah, both were zealously martyred by God's people before realizing that what they had to say was a word from God.
 
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AnandaHya said:
pimping Jesus for your own personal gain is wrong no matter how you cut it.

Focus solely on deceivers? no, one should pray and ask God for guidance

Warn the flock of wolves? definitely

Ezekiel 22:27
Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, to shed blood, to destroy people, and to get dishonest gain.

Sound doctrine is not a popularity contest, it is the difference between Eternal life and receiving the second death.

warning people against those claiming to be from God and NOT is what God calls us to do. JESUS commends the church who did this:

Revelation 2
2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary.
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I understand what you are saying because I have learned something about your heart in the many posts that you have made on this site. However, what is the understanding that you have concerning what Paul mentions in (Phil 1:15-18)...

15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

pretense - prophasis = pro (before) and phaino (cause to appear or shine), a cloke , excuse or pretense, to assume something as to disguise the motive. Used in (Jn 15:22) and (Mt 23:14).

Would you gather from what Paul has said even of those that preach Christ in pretense, that it could refer to those that preach also the gospel of prosperity, and do preach salvation in the name of Christ and no other. Are we to rejoice in this as well because the name of Jesus Christ is being preached? Should we consider them to be wolves that fleece the flock of God? Your thoughts? Take your time.
 
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No disrespect intended, but i have never been a TD Jakes fan...He tends to ramble and just talk about vague ideas and concepts
 
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Crossfire said:
You're absolutely right. If the man is indeed wrong then we should most definitely sound the alarm. However, we should never disregard the messenger before we have listened to and discerned the message.

Let's not forget what happened to Isaiah or Zechariah, both were zealously martyred by God's people before realizing that what they had to say was a word from God.
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Yes. The more I think about it, the more I tend to think that even places like christian chat are still forms of church and so we need to be careful about making claims before we are really sure of the facts.

On the other hand , is there more grace given since we are having a discussion and we are not in a pulpit? And is there a place for putting ideas out there and maybe exposing others to doctrine/teaching which may be important for them to know even though we may not be 100% certain of all the facts/implications/alternatives?

And if we do make a claim and we struggle in an area of our life with some sort of sin, isn't the whole point of the gospel that we are ALL sinners just pointing others sinners in the right direction?I really doubt that anyone ever has or ever will walk in absolute truth the way Jesus did - in this life anyway.(1 John 1 :7, 8.)
 
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I really doubt that anyone ever has or ever will walk in absolute truth the way Jesus did - in this life anyway.(1 John 1 :7, 8.)
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Yeah, we are all limited in our understanding.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
 
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In saying this , ofcourse, I do not intend to be contentious - I would genuinely like to know what sort of stand we can/are allowed to take on places like cc - given that all of us stumble in many ways.
I do recognise , however ,that we are to ,"gird up our loins', and not be a cause for others to stumble.
 
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We are to stand the same on CC as we would in real life. For God and His truth. to use the excuse because we stumble we should not stand is not sound or Biblically based for God says HE is able to make us stand and for us to STAND and resist the devil and he will flee.

Why would we NOT stand?


Acts 17:10-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
Ministering at Berea

10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

I'll get back to replying to Red after my chores and I think Crossfire is right I will listen to his sermons again but the first time I heard TD Jakes, I was not impressed nor did I hear the Gospel proclaimed in any part of his whole sermon. Perhaps if I keep looking I may find at least ONE example where he does so without compromising and sounding like a Buddhist guru.
 
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