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Read the Bible Old and New front to back my friend.
We all have betrayed Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua our Messiah in our sins.
I know it seems like those "nasty Jews" killed Yahshua the Messiah, but all things were meant to come to pass for you and I to be able to be forgiven and reconciled with our Heavenly Father.
We all have betrayed Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua our Messiah in our sins.
I know it seems like those "nasty Jews" killed Yahshua the Messiah, but all things were meant to come to pass for you and I to be able to be forgiven and reconciled with our Heavenly Father.
yes now "i like this question",,,,,,,,,,,,,"one of the two is in a place where it ought naught be",,,,,,,,,,,one is an "image",and the other is the true,,,,,"Israel",,,,,,,you either worship the "image of the beast",,,,or you do not,,,,,,,,,,,,you see its like a mirror,,,,,,,,,,,i didn't write for some time now,,,,,,,,,i wondered if any of you would ask the hard questions,,if you even understood to do so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"but i do like your question" so i will watch,,,,,,,,,mankind will draw a line in the sand and choose to either be on this side or that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"here at your question",,,,,,,,,,,,,life or death,,,,,,,,,,,,which one of the two is the "imposter"???????????is it the
Israel set back up in the earth after ww2???????????or the church,who says they are the "new Israel"???????????you have ask a good question,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you call them out who is brother,,,,,,,,,and who is of the devil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Israel set back up in the earth after ww2???????????or the church,who says they are the "new Israel"???????????you have ask a good question,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you call them out who is brother,,,,,,,,,and who is of the devil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Oh they were? So tell me, when was the northern and southern kingdoms of the whole of Isreal united and made one nation again? And don't say Christ did it with his death, He is not talking about all of them being saved, he is talking about them being restored to their land.
Hm thats not what Paul said.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
So. Why is Paul saying Isreal has rejected, and gentiles have been brought in.
Why did he say Isreal has been blinded, that God may make the jealose by giving the promise over the the gentile?
Why did God tell us gentiles not to be to proud, and not believe the mystery? which is what?
That blindness IN PART (not all, some can see and will be saved) until the fulness of the gentiles have come in.
And finally, ALL Isreal is future tense. when will this happen? When the fullness of the gentiles come in.
Paul did not preach or teach what you are saying my friend, so I can not agree with you
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You have always been my friend. Always will brother. Nothing wrong with agreeing to diagree is there?
I been busy myself. Thats why I am so slow..lol
Again, the covenant given Abraham had two parts in it.
One for the whole world, One for his physical descendents. Christ fulfilled the one to the whole world. Being jew or gentile never had a bearing on this covenant . Possession of the land and oeace only was promised to the physical descendents.
Hm thats not what Paul said.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
So. Why is Paul saying Isreal has rejected, and gentiles have been brought in.
Why did he say Isreal has been blinded, that God may make the jealose by giving the promise over the the gentile?
Why did God tell us gentiles not to be to proud, and not believe the mystery? which is what?
That blindness IN PART (not all, some can see and will be saved) until the fulness of the gentiles have come in.
And finally, ALL Isreal is future tense. when will this happen? When the fullness of the gentiles come in.
Paul did not preach or teach what you are saying my friend, so I can not agree with you
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You have always been my friend. Always will brother. Nothing wrong with agreeing to diagree is there?
I been busy myself. Thats why I am so slow..lol
Again, the covenant given Abraham had two parts in it.
One for the whole world, One for his physical descendents. Christ fulfilled the one to the whole world. Being jew or gentile never had a bearing on this covenant . Possession of the land and oeace only was promised to the physical descendents.
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This makes no sense.
The promise had nothing to do with new jerusalem. It spoke of ALL the land of canaan. Does it still exist today? I thought so, thus the covenant is still valid.
God id not say if you do this, I will give you this land. He said I WILL GIVE YOU THIS LAND.
A conditional covenant is made by two parties, if you do this, I will do that. A non conditions=al covenant is made by one party. I WILL. If God goes back on his promise, he lied.
We are not talking about that covenant. That covenant was given to the whole world.
The land was not promised to you, unless you are a descendant of abraham by blood. Thus ut is of no use.
To say the least. your being one sided and not looking at the whole picture.
The promise had nothing to do with new jerusalem. It spoke of ALL the land of canaan. Does it still exist today? I thought so, thus the covenant is still valid.
God id not say if you do this, I will give you this land. He said I WILL GIVE YOU THIS LAND.
A conditional covenant is made by two parties, if you do this, I will do that. A non conditions=al covenant is made by one party. I WILL. If God goes back on his promise, he lied.
We are not talking about that covenant. That covenant was given to the whole world.
The land was not promised to you, unless you are a descendant of abraham by blood. Thus ut is of no use.
To say the least. your being one sided and not looking at the whole picture.
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And this is where the whole doctrine of ammilenialism gets its founding. A hatred of jews because they crucified Christ. And then tried to contaminate the church with their law. so lets get rid of them forever.
Not everyone who believes this hates jews, I am not saying this. Just showing where this doctrine originated from.
Not everyone who believes this hates jews, I am not saying this. Just showing where this doctrine originated from.
ad 70,,,,,,,,,,,,why did god the almighty "have the Romans destroy all of the carnal Israel,,,,,,,,,,,and scatter them through the whole earth",,,,,,,,,,,,,then let Christ followers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,resurrect another "carnal church" where you build baths out of stone(carnal),,,,,,and say sacraments(carnal),,where you build houses and call them churches(carnal),,,,,,,ask yourself "why would god himself remove an carnal house call of god(because it saw the word not spiritual) and then replace it with another house,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that again is carnal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"will he replace a dead thing with a dead thing and call it life"??????????????you see there is only one truth ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but there are "two imposters",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,one who is removed for carnality and the other who you think is in replacement of the old,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you see you say your faith is Christ but your works are if they are of Israel of old you pick up "solomans seal",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you follow the faith of the wives of soleman,,,,,,,,,,,you worship the "star of remphram",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that you made of your own hands,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Read Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel and God says that he will divorce them and make a new covenant with a people that have the law written in their hearts and inward parts. Daniel 10 says that Israel will lie desolate until Jesus returns to consummate his marriage with the church. God's covenants are conditional and Israel has never lived up their end and God replaced them. Today's Israel performs no sacrifices and has NEVER accepted the Lamb that was to come during Daniel's 70 weeks or 490 years after the temple was allowed to be rebuilt. Note also that 92% of today's Jews are Ashkenazim while the scriptural seed of Abraham were Semitics, not Europeans and at the least Sephardic. Read the English Septuagint.
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Where are your facts to counter my verses and history false teacher and pseudo-Christian-Zionist? God allowed Israel and Judah to go down in scripture for whoring with other gods, but he will protect the present secular state when they don't accept Him nor his Christ, GET REAL!!! GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS!!!
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You havnt corrected me Avinu. Youve merely reacted to your own presumptions.
First of all the so called threats from God was not only about Israel so you may also
want to watch yourself. And try to understand more who that was written about.
Also i never said God was through with Israel. That would be a crazy thought for
any Christian to think.
The thread is aiming at the nation/state of Israel. Not the believing remnant of
Israel as we know it from scriptures. Until you define things these days very well
its really quite dangerous to even talk about it. Especially with thin skinned people
with a chip on their shoulder.
First of all the so called threats from God was not only about Israel so you may also
want to watch yourself. And try to understand more who that was written about.
Also i never said God was through with Israel. That would be a crazy thought for
any Christian to think.
The thread is aiming at the nation/state of Israel. Not the believing remnant of
Israel as we know it from scriptures. Until you define things these days very well
its really quite dangerous to even talk about it. Especially with thin skinned people
with a chip on their shoulder.
The nation/state of Israel is the remnant of Israel to be saved after the Malo HaGoyim ( fullness of the gentiles) is complete. Agreed.
So again, I apologize if I took you wrong. I will be the first to say that my people have sinned greatly, as has everyone. But when I hear stupid comments that are a blatant and spiteful attack against them, I get a little bent.
Shalom
So again, I apologize if I took you wrong. I will be the first to say that my people have sinned greatly, as has everyone. But when I hear stupid comments that are a blatant and spiteful attack against them, I get a little bent.
Shalom